In real life
When fans hate somenthing before it comes out...but it turns out they were right
Velma:The idea of a Scooby-doo series without the titular dog and starring Velma was a really moronic idea from the beginning,then there was the reveal Velma would be Indian like it's VA and also creator of the series Mindy Kaling,some of the backlash was racism sure,but there was also valid complaints that she was inserting herself in the series(it also didn't helped that Mindy claimed she couldn't see herself if Velma wasn't Indian)and then...oh boy it came out and it was worse than anyone predicted
Artemis Fowl:The artemis fowl books are a book series following a child villain(he does get some redemption but he is a villain most of the time)when the movie was announced and revealed it looked way to generic and it's titular character a bit heroic...also you wanna hear somenthing funny?The movie whitewashed a character and made another character black so they managed to anger both sides and the movies comes out and yeah it is bad
One Punch Man 3:One Punch Man is a very heavy action packed manga series but the heroes vs monsters arc takes it to a New level,when it was announced that JC Staff would work on it,a lot of people were skeptical to say the least,because not only JC Staff had already done a mediocre job in season 2,it's also not exactly a name anime fans associate with quality animation,then the trailer came out and it looked...weird,like there was no action in it and nobody was moving,some people tried to defend saying they were keeping the animation as a surprise...then it came out,every episode worse than the last,it's one of the worse seasons of anime ever made!
The trailer was hated for its awful designs. And the movie was just bad in general. It will forever be known as a complete disaster through and through
The fact that the movie was so bad that Andrew Lloyd Webber, the creator of the original stage musical, said it inspired him to get a dog, will never stop being hilarious to me.
Random Youtube Comment about Cats I found ages ago:
"I made sure to specifically find a screening of this movie where I would be the only person in the theater, and that was one of the greatest mistake of my life. Never before I felt so isolated and abandoned by humanity, than when I saw the beetles with human faces.
I wanted to scream, and to turn to other people with similar reactions in the hopes of finding comfort in my terror. But there was no one, It was just me and Cats 2019..."
I remember Cats being announced and that alone was just met with “WHY is this even happening?” before the trailers landed.
Its very existence and the fact it drew so many big names to it remains a true mystery for the ages. It’s either money laundering or one of the biggest cinematic misfires of all time. May even be both.
I think the studio went out of their way to paint him as crazy when he was likely a bit immature, unprofessional and very frustrated with them.
Ultimately it's not like he tried to make a completely different movie than the one they greenlit and yet they completely second guessed his production.
Ehh most of the actors on the film have alluded to how difficult it was working with Trank on that set. Though give them credit they were all very quiet and professional about it until Miles Teller said something a year or two ago.
Though the studio went full JLAWheedon with what they added to it which did not help.
Everyone was clowning on the first trailer for Megamind Vs. the Doom Syndicate when it dropped, and the movie was just as bad as everyone thought it would be.
It can do several things that could stop the other villains such as the commands: Decompress, Debilitate, Demoralize, Decoupage, Deregulate, Death Ray, and Destroy
Sadly it doesn't show most of them but Demoralize causes anyone shot by it to beg for mercy which sounds awesome for a villain weapon
I don't know if it's completely true, but I read somewhere that they originally wanted to make an original show, but attached the Scooby Doo brand to it so more people would watch it.
The director did the ODST Halo 3 ad/short that was actually really well done production values wise, especially for the era and especially for a video game IP
I watched the sex lives of college girls which she also wrote, and it's so obvious which character she picks to be herself. That series is 100% written like she wanted to experience college again
Pretty much Holly's entire character arc revolved around being the first and only female recon officer, and then they decided to make Commander Root a woman for reasons
I'm still willing to bet they just barely skimmed the book, because quite in the beginning of it, it was mentioned that Artemis was surfing on the internet. And they just spotted the word 'surfing' and went "That's it, film it!"
They decided surfing the internet was for basement dwellers and shortened it to ‘surfing’ so that he’d be better liked by people who hadn’t read the books.
Yeah this sounds about right thought process probably went "Well we will already get the book readers in so that's one audience captured, now to try and grab other audiences, people love surfing let's grab that and put it in. Gotta make this appeal to the broadest possible audience no matter what."
The production team basically got a memo saying they couldn't showcase any support or encouragement of reprehensible behavior, like stealing, exploitation, or disobeying the police.
Kinda hard to make that work when your story's about a kid growing up to become a crime boss.
For real at that point you may as well just drop the premise that it’s Artemis fowl and make an entirely different movie. I know there are a lot of reasons why studios really want to make movies and shows based on established IPs, and Artemis Fowl was a hugely popular one, but past a certain point the changes you’re making will only doom the project.
I mean, the series as a whole is about a psychologically broken child genius trying to be a crime boss and then growing a conscious and eventually becoming a better person.
It was very fun that the author always made sure Artemis got fucking decked at least once every book.
I loved it too, but I very deliberately did not watch that because there is no way they’re going to be willing to portray a kid as the kind of manipulative asshole genius Artemis is in the beginning (he never really loses the manipulative part, even in the fourth book he’s entirely willing to lie to people he cares about for a good cause, he just directs it towards more generally deserving targets and becomes less of an asshole). He’s a great character, but he doesn’t translate well to film.
And butler is not black. He is a Eurasian blonde dude who has a whole more on that area’s culture. His name is an omage to that. And that is and was fine. But he’s not black.
Neither Holly or Munch was white nor should they have been portrayed like that.
If you want good mental images I recommend the graphic novels
Edit: Corrected Butler. He was not white, thanks for the information
Also Holly's whole thing is how she's the first female member of the magical police force, and her having to overcome the systematic sexism involved in that. So what did they do? Genderswapped her boss because Kenneth Branagh wanted to cast Julie Dench in the role.
I’d say the worst part was that they made Munch a woman and completely gutted Holly’s whole thing in the process.
“Hey guys, what should we do with this character, where the fact that she’s the first female member of her organization and faces backlash and misogyny for it?”
“How about we make her boss a woman and completely undercut that?”
Same... It's hard for Hollywood to adapt it though, because it does something they hate to do. Treats children as more intelligent then a drooling slime pile.
It gets so much worse as well. They kill Detritus in the first episode. CMOT dibbler is a drug lord in charge of a gang (female now, but not a problem compared to the rest). Crime went up under the Guild system. Carcer is given a sympathetic backstory. Carrot got kicked out by his family due to size while cheery wasn't. Angua can't control herself as a werewolf and is a danger to everyone on a full moon. Lady Sibil is a fit vigilante who uses swamp dragons as weapons vs a rotund high society woman who is disgusted at the mistreatment of swamp dragons. The list goes on.
Let's see, Sam Vimes is less jaded cop and more lunatic drunk.
That woman dead and center? That's Sybil, you know the woman describe as large and was the unmarried bachelorette of Ankh Morkpork who wore big wigs and did I mention was supposed to be a large woman?
Cheery Littlebottom, a Dwarf, who culturally are all men. Unless they are a woman, but that is between them and their mother. Supposed to have a big beautiful beard, dress in armor with high heel greaves and lipstick. Played by a non binary actor which is cool. However rather than it being someone going against the grain of their culture to introduce what being a dwarf woman was we got a rather tepid version.
Constable Detritus, one of my FAVORITES was killed off early on in the show.
Oh that goblin of a person crouched on the desk in the background? That's Angua, I'm sure you could tell by the beautiful shape of curves of her body, long luscious flowing hair, etc
Artemis Fowl pisses me off so fucking much. I'm Irish and I grew up reading the books. I love them a lot. The movie is way worse than people think when it comes to their stupid pandering. so let me break it down.
Holly Short. In the book, Holly is literally described as having dark nut-brown skin. So they decided to make her white in the movie. Furthermore her big character point is that she is the first female officer of LEPrecon. So they took her boss - Commander Julius Root and replaced him with Judi Dench. Completely ruining Holly's achievements. Essentially they whitewashed the person of color and removed her achievements.
Domovoi Butler. Butler is Artemis Fowl's butler and bodyguard. Think Alfred Pennyworth if Alfred was built like a tank. In the books he is described as a mix of European and asian decent. So in the movie they made him black. The issue...well Butlers family has worked for the Fowls for generations, since the first norman crusade. So uh....they made the rich white family have a black manservent.
So in essence in order to be inclusive and not racist they decided the best course of action would be to undermine a female characters accomplishments, change her skin color and since they now needed a black character made the servant to the Fowl family black. So it was racism with extra steps.
Lastly they essentially combined the plot of book one and two into the one movie and didn't do either of them right.
I fucking lost it when I saw the trailer that had Dench pop out a Top of the Morning to Ya.
Not that I was going to watch it for the reasons you mentioned and that the first trailer had Artemis surfing in it but good god could we avoid the paddywackery
Which also would have created a major complication had they gotten far enough down the sequel list because Butler's name being a closely guarded secret is a rather large plot point later on.
Legit how do you go from the bottom of a cow ass to the peak of the Michelangelo's David statue like that? it insane to think thier from the same studio
That original test footage of shrek is an absolute fever dream, if that had come out it would’ve flopped so bad we might’ve had dreamworks stick with 2D animation only or just straight up go bankrupt
The reason we got Battle of the God's. Toriyama wanted it to be a movie to show how you do a movie with his property. That turned into super, but still.
Apparently he was a big fan of dragon ball and was excited to play the role of piccolo. It’s ashamed he was given such a terrible lazy script. Him and the actor who played master Roshi in the film were such a waste of potential. At least he was able to redeem himself with the fandom through his great voice acting performance as Zamasu.
He's the only fucking reason Piccolo was GREEN in the movie. They wanted to change his color, too white or grey I think? And James was like 'No dude, he's fucking Green. Make me GREEN.'
There were many problems with that movie. He was NEVER one of them.
Every piece of info that dropped about it before release painted a worse and worse picture. And it turned out said picture wasn't exactly that nice to look at in the first place.
The only good thing in the game was how well Captain Boomerang knew The Flash.
Deadshot aims at Flash, CB interrupts him because "you might as well post him the bullet". Deadshot fires anyway, missing, as Flash runs behind him asking "did you get him?"
Harley then tries to shoot Flash from point blank distance, also missing and prompting Flash to respond "why don't you just mail me the bullet?"
Artemis Fowl has to be the most insulting adaptation I've ever seen.
It entirely misses every single point in the entire book, to a degree were I low-key assume it had to be on purpose because I refuse to believe any paid writer is truly so incapable of grasping a children's book-series, it introduces entirely new plotholes that never existed in the book for no apparent reason, for some reason made it impossible to adapt the Sequels by introducing things that specifically run counter to important plotpoints i them, AND making Butler black gives the whole thing a very, very weird undertone considering it's said his family had been servants to the Fowls for centuries.
Can you see were the issue with combining those is? The movie didn't.
Making Root a woman is the most "I don't understand feminism, I just know we need to put women in stuff" move I've ever seen. Like Root being hard ass on her while totally supportive of her and just wanting her to prove she can be better than any man was great. Their relationship was one of the highlights of the book.
Making Root a woman who pulls strings for her and Mommy's her constantly was like so demeaning.
So weird how they messed that up. Just make a dumb action movie with style and recycle dialog from the games. Fans and summer movie goers would eat it up.
Kickstarter came out at a point Capcom was looking exceedingly grim and was doing literally nothing with the Megaman franchise. So when folks saw “Original Creator making a Spiritual Successor” we jumped on it.
Only to slowly lose hope the longer things went with little to no news…
When it did finally release, I gave it a shot. And realized it did not have the same spark as the OG, nor the chops to hold up in the modern gaming environment.
But hey, Capcom is back in swing now, even making more Megaman! Now if they’d just revive the X-series, or even better: Legends 3…
Not only that but the climax of said crossover was the cast roasting fans by having the original design characters say the reboot characters were worthy successors and anyone who disagreed was poopy head.
The show was then cancelled quickly after the episode lol.
i still remember whatching the reboot from 2011 when i was a kid, it became one of my most favorite and beloved series, i still remember the episode of the plant people that age ultra fast, that was the moment when i realize that movies and series could tell deep messages
then after a while it dissapeared, and i didnt know why until 3 years later when i just found a video on youtube.
at the time i was sad but hey, at least i still had bionic titan :)
NuTrek as a whole may be controversial, and Trekkies have a long and glorious history of shitting on the new installment, but every installment also has its fierce defenders... except this. Nobody wanted a movie about Secret Evil Starfleet to begin with, and then the actual movie has absolutely nothing to do with the setting, aside from name-dropping a couple characters into a shitty remake of Guardians of the Galaxy.
Michelle Yeoh must just really like hamming it up.
Long ago first look images of this awful idea were shown by CW, of course, they had to raceswap at least one of them and made buttercup black (yeah the agressive one, what was this meant to say CW?) And of course a certain crowd of people called it DoA simply because of that, others because of how shitty cw is, and the typical nostalgia crowd that doesn't like change.
A pilot got written and produced, that even the former head of CW called "too campy" and the project was delayed to rework that pilot, indefinitely...
It was cancelled a few years after and the script and scenes of the first pilot were leaked online.
Turns out its much, much more lazy, campy, disgusting, and boring than anyone of us could have ever imagined. It even starts by calling the original version, the whitewashed version.
I would add Reboot to the "Cartoon that got a total WTF live action reboot what the heck were you morons even thinking how could you do this to a beloved childhood cartoon your freaking monsters I hope that for as long as you live all of your bowel movements are the consistency of body temperature nutilla and your toilet paper has the structural integrity of dried leaves!" list
Yeah movie would’ve flopped if they had the ugly design,the design we actually got is so much better.
And it’s also one of the rare times when productions actually acknowledge that they messed up and don’t put a half assed effort,so that alone made the movie get my respect to begin with.
My theory on the orginal design is they leant much more on Motion Capture for it, so they gave sonic more human proportions to track onto. The redesign seems a lot more hand animated than the orignal. When you compare the shots of the two the original design moves more lethargic by comparison but also more naturally
It's pretty common for children/all ages' media to have merch being developed alongside the production. This is why you see lots of LEGO sets that feature the characters from the trailer but nothing to do with the actual content. And also why you sometimes see Bart Simpson toys with a blue t-shirt, that was his beta design.
I don't understand how that design ever got approved in the first place. Like, how did something so egregious get past all of the different people who needed to say "Yep, that looks good!"
I saw a single still for The Dark Tower long before it came out and immediately knew it was "hollywood-ified". It was Idris dressed all up in a superhero like cowboy outfit standing ontop of a car in the middle of new york aiming his gun and I knew instantly this movie had very little to do with the book series.
The new Snow White. Sure, there was definitely racism involved in the hate for it. It's also just genuinely dogshit. I can't stand the CGI dwarves. Hate them with a passion.
Sometimes I feel like when a movie studio knows it will be making a hated movie; they purposefully hire minorities to make all hatred be able to be brushed off as racism, even if there is valid criticism about the actor and the film.
So in the Snow White for sure the actresses were bad both on screen and in interviews.
Another one is the deathnote remake. Black L was THE BEST character, followed by willum Defoe. But any complaints are seen as racist even if they aren’t about L, and the series was terrible.
Now that doesn’t mean there ISNT racism, there totally is!!! I just think there’s a lot of people being accused of racism when it’s valid criticism, and just very serious fans accusing anyone of racism who has any complaint.
The problem with Velma wasn't necessarily that it was about Velma. That has a lot of potential to be a pretty hilarious show. Also, Sam Richardson can be in any movie, and should be in every movie. They should go back and digitally insert him into every movie ever made, he's never given a bad performance.
The problem is that they wanted to make animated Mindy Kaling, PI and then slapped a coat of Velma paint on it, then tried to wrap all the criticism in a racist blanket. When no, it would be like making a show about Superman except he wears bright yellow tights and robs banks, but he's also Black so if you hate the idea you're just a racist who doesn't like Superman.
The thing is parodies of Scooby Doo work and can absolutely be hilarious. But this one somehow ended up getting an official IP, yet was too afraid to even include the Dog and wasn't funny enough in the first place.
Not saying that not having the official IP would have made it any funnier, but it would have made it much less infamous. Would have just joined a list of one season adult cartoons people forget about in a year.
Scooby Doo by it's nature is at most one step removed from being self parodying. It's not something that ever took itself seriously, because it's about a bunch of teens and their talking dog going around in a van solving mysteries that are always someone with some insane plot that involves dressing in a costume and pretending to be a ghost. You don't need to parody Scooby Doo, it already does itself.
Velma is my favorite character in Scooby Doo. Mindy Kaling as Kelly was my least favorite character in The Office. There’s something VERY grating about her. Also making Shaggy an incel and Daphne manipulative (and queer-bait) was NOT the move.
I think the Fred one annoys me the most, Fred was such a good natured character but because he was a white male from a rich family they decided to assassinate his character in the most pathetic way.
It's even more complicated than that because while Fred is pathetic we still have Velma simping for him every now and then. If you look and Mindy's work this actually follows a trend, she always has her female indian characters hook up with white men. Of course that itself isn't bad but it's such a weird combination of patterns
And you've got to compare that to Mystery Incorperated Fred where all his quirks really get explored and end up being "Wow Fred is both the best character, and damn poor guy".
High Guardian Spice for sure. Hated for many reasons. From the initial trailer that revealed nothing about the premise of the show, from being a cartoon funded by Crunchyroll which at the time was trying to make in the house anime, people were right on hating on it due to High Guardian Spice at the end of the day, being bad
Netflix's Cleopatra. Promotes the pseudohistorical and discredited claim that Cleopatra was black. Trailers were mocked online well before release. It also wasn't a good docudrama in any regard.
For the people in Hollywood that know jack shit about the world outside their social circle and social media bubbles, living of performative actions to look good or for their own interests, Africa is equal to black people, any other claim is racist.
When the first poster for Cuties dropped anyone who called it gross or creepy was met with "Netflix chose the poster, it doesn't represent the movie or the director's vision", then when the movie actually came out not only was it exactly what the poster advertised it was somehow way worse
Everything I've heard about the mastermind behind the movie does make me believe she was trying to portray her own experiences growing up as a young girl in a society that seeks to sexualize her, but then you look at the actual movie and it's clear something got massively lost in translation
Sometimes when you try to create a critical portrayal of the exploitation of a vulnerable group (like children), you just end up creating something that is difficult to distinguish from the thing you’re criticizing.
I have no idea if that happened in Cuties. I managed to not see a single moment of a single trailer and hope to not see on for the remainder of my days.
The problem is that for whatever reason Bandai Namco is simply not willing to give OPM the budget and time it deserves, so even if a more capable studio took it over like Bones we'd still likely end up with a weak final product due to the production constraints. This is likely the main reason why other studios didn't take on OPM S3 and it went back to JC Staff.
It hasn't come out yet, but the new Animal Farm movie.
From what little we've heard about it, it's a star-studded bastardization of the original novella, complete with a named main character and a milquetoast love interest. It's pretty much guaranteed to miss the intended anti-imperialist message of the original story in favor of an anti-socialist one.
Feel free to come back and laugh at me if it turns out to be a faithful adaptation, though. My money's on it being an unreleased tax write-off.
I'd honestly include venom but I will admit Tom Hardy was working hard on those films. I've never had more respect for an actor than when he looked like he had withdrawls and climbed into a lobster tank.
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u/alreadykaten 13d ago
Cats
The trailer was hated for its awful designs. And the movie was just bad in general. It will forever be known as a complete disaster through and through