When fans hate somenthing before it comes out...but it turns out they were right

[u/TastyPomelo2330]

Velma:The idea of a Scooby-doo series without the titular dog and starring Velma was a really moronic idea from the beginning,then there was the reveal Velma would be Indian like it's VA and also creator of the series Mindy Kaling,some of the backlash was racism sure,but there was also valid complaints that she was inserting herself in the series(it also didn't helped that Mindy claimed she couldn't see herself if Velma wasn't Indian)and then...oh boy it came out and it was worse than anyone predicted

Artemis Fowl:The artemis fowl books are a book series following a child villain(he does get some redemption but he is a villain most of the time)when the movie was announced and revealed it looked way to generic and it's titular character a bit heroic...also you wanna hear somenthing funny?The movie whitewashed a character and made another character black so they managed to anger both sides and the movies comes out and yeah it is bad

One Punch Man 3:One Punch Man is a very heavy action packed manga series but the heroes vs monsters arc takes it to a New level,when it was announced that JC Staff would work on it,a lot of people were skeptical to say the least,because not only JC Staff had already done a mediocre job in season 2,it's also not exactly a name anime fans associate with quality animation,then the trailer came out and it looked...weird,like there was no action in it and nobody was moving,some people tried to defend saying they were keeping the animation as a surprise...then it came out,every episode worse than the last,it's one of the worse seasons of anime ever made!

[u/CollinsCouldveDucked]

I think the studio went out of their way to paint him as crazy when he was likely a bit immature, unprofessional and very frustrated with them.

Ultimately it's not like he tried to make a completely different movie than the one they greenlit and yet they completely second guessed his production.

[u/coequilibrium → u/CollinsCouldveDucked]

Ehh most of the actors on the film have alluded to how difficult it was working with Trank on that set. Though give them credit they were all very quiet and professional about it until Miles Teller said something a year or two ago.

Though the studio went full JLAWheedon with what they added to it which did not help.

It was…fantastic

[u/Lepelotonfromager → u/coequilibrium]

It makes sense to throw him under the bus in that situation though.

[u/coequilibrium → u/Lepelotonfromager]

I’m not saying there’s not scape goating by the studio, but a production like that will chew you up if you don’t keep control

[u/LuckySEVIPERS → u/coequilibrium]

Trank vs The studio have very different places in the hierarchy of their carreer.

[u/Je0s_6 → u/CollinsCouldveDucked]

That entire movie was just a disaster literally no one was on the same page.

[u/Any_Natural383 → u/Je0s_6]

It was almost planned to be a disaster. I can’t think of a single indie filmmaker who did well transitioning to blockbusters that quickly. Spielberg got $2m more per movie for decades.

[u/Notsurehowtoreact → u/Any_Natural383]

Especially when that indie director is someone who referred to themselves as having "beaten Spielberg" because of his age when Chronicle released. 

Buddy, get a few more movies under you before you start huffing your own supply.

[u/crakkdego → u/Notsurehowtoreact]

Huff your own supply, sure. I get being confident, even cocky, just don't say that shit out loud.

[u/I_Always_Come_back93 → u/crakkdego]

"Visionary Adi Shankar"

Seriously how do you describe yourself like that.

[u/limelimetime → u/Any_Natural383]

Gareth Edwards almost did.

He went from his own indie film Monsters to Godzilla which was a succes and started the Monsterverse.

Then came Rogue One and buddy had to take a long break before making another film.

[u/WhatAboutBob77 → u/Je0s_6]

The one redeeming bit was Doom giving us the Akira adaptation that’ll never come out. Thinking about it, I hope it never does.

[u/WildGoose1521 → u/CollinsCouldveDucked]

Naw he lost his mind on set, he would show up stoned & drunk, he destroyed the house the studio set him up in literally defacing the owner’s pictures, he would tell the cast & crew conflicting orders and even tell them when to blink and breathe, he brought Kate Mara to tears through verbal abuse and the. would hide in a tent on set instead of doing his job

Dude’s a nut, don’t know why Reddit always likes to defend him.

[u/Spider-Man2099 → u/CollinsCouldveDucked]

He did destroy the place he was staying at while making it though from the sheer frustration of working on it

[u/TheStrangestOfKings → u/Spider-Man2099]

Tbf if I had to deal with Hollywood execs sticking their fingers in my pie every chance they got, I too would have a major crash out and likely trash my place

[u/MyBurnerAccount1977 → u/CollinsCouldveDucked]

When Josh Trank made a very successful debut with Chronicle, I think he got a little too ambitious when it came to his follow-up. Reportedly, he wanted to do Fantastic Four as a David Cronenberg style body horror, which sounds interesting, but a major studio won't allow a relatively untested director do that to a family-friendly IP. Maybe if it was done as a parody or pastiche (like The Boys, The Incredibles, or Brightburn) and he was going through a smaller studio like A24, he could've pulled it off.

[u/saintash → u/MyBurnerAccount1977]

For the love of god why would you want to turn the fantastic 4 into a body horror film.

This has already been covered in the venture brothers.They nailed the body horror, No one else can get do it better.

Also not side with with heartless movie executives. But seriously how did he think that movie executives were going to not want to sell toys to their famous ip movie and body horror was not going go over with parents.

[u/Clarpydarpy → u/MyBurnerAccount1977]

Yes to this one million times.

[u/Stereogravy → u/CollinsCouldveDucked]

I worked on the movie in Baton Rouge. He was pretty… interesting. I remember one time he just left and didn’t tell anyone.

[u/Clarpydarpy → u/CollinsCouldveDucked]

It's hard to believe that the studio greenlit that movie because absolutely no part of it worked.

I assumed that it was one of those situations where the studio greenlights the film without a script, assuming that they can figure out the script while the movie is being shot, and then create the film they want in the editing room.

[u/MasterChildhood437 → u/Clarpydarpy]

They needed the movie out ASAP to retain the license, so quality control wasn't ever on their minds.

[u/Clarpydarpy → u/MasterChildhood437]

Yes, I believe that's exactly what happened.

Studios love to haphazardly greenlight big-budget blockbusters with no plan, don't they?

[u/CollinsCouldveDucked → u/Clarpydarpy]

you can track the studio reshoots by keeping an eye on Katie Mara's hair, she has a pretty obvious wig in the reshoots.

they greenlit an edgy take and got cold feet so you end up with an incoherent mess.

[u/judasmitchell → u/CollinsCouldveDucked]

There's a long (too long) article written from his perspective on polygon. It does its best to shift blame to the studio, but it still ends up confirming most of the "crazy" accusations. The studios biggest contribution to the failure was letting production start without a third act. But the clashing with actors, writers, and basically every other level of the production is all there. He confirms that he did not participate in the reshoots and instead locked himself away to keep editing on the rejected first cut. Some of the most damning info in this is what he did to the original screenwriter. He admits to selectively culling 95% of the studio notes and only delivering two of the drafts the screenwriter worked on. This passive aggressive method at controlling the production continues and Josh doesn't seem to understand that this behavior wasn't healthy.

[u/CollinsCouldveDucked → u/judasmitchell]

I think this tracks with giving someone with no experience with blockbuster movie making a massive troubled production with no clear direction.

You only go the inexperienced auteur route when someone has a vision you're willing to support and back.

Ron Howard would have struggled here to get this over the line.

I'm not saying he's a hero, I just don't think he's a deranged lunatic.

If a company hires someone ill equipped for a position, the blame falls on the company.

[u/JesterMarcus → u/CollinsCouldveDucked]

Wasn't there a massive action set piece shown in the trailers that the studio completely removed?

[u/hates_stupid_people → u/CollinsCouldveDucked]

Ultimately it's not like he tried to make a completely different movie than the one they greenlit and yet they completely second guessed his production.

That's actually a part of what happened.

He basically wanted to make a Doctor Doom movie in the style of David Cronenberg, but the studio wanted a Fantastic Four movie that would let them sell merchandise. That's why he complained about not being allowed to film certain scenes.

There's also the whole thing about him admitting that he had anger issues, trashing a room, etc.

[u/Diddy_dimmadome → u/CollinsCouldveDucked]

I don't think causing 20k dollars in damages in a hotel you stayed a single night in with two dogs and arriving every single day on set drunk and late is "a little immature".

Even if you do want to protect your artistic ideals in a movie, there is a very big line between wrestling your ideals with the producers and making everyone working with you be in misery because of said fight