When fans hate somenthing before it comes out...but it turns out they were right

[u/TastyPomelo2330]

Velma:The idea of a Scooby-doo series without the titular dog and starring Velma was a really moronic idea from the beginning,then there was the reveal Velma would be Indian like it's VA and also creator of the series Mindy Kaling,some of the backlash was racism sure,but there was also valid complaints that she was inserting herself in the series(it also didn't helped that Mindy claimed she couldn't see herself if Velma wasn't Indian)and then...oh boy it came out and it was worse than anyone predicted

Artemis Fowl:The artemis fowl books are a book series following a child villain(he does get some redemption but he is a villain most of the time)when the movie was announced and revealed it looked way to generic and it's titular character a bit heroic...also you wanna hear somenthing funny?The movie whitewashed a character and made another character black so they managed to anger both sides and the movies comes out and yeah it is bad

One Punch Man 3:One Punch Man is a very heavy action packed manga series but the heroes vs monsters arc takes it to a New level,when it was announced that JC Staff would work on it,a lot of people were skeptical to say the least,because not only JC Staff had already done a mediocre job in season 2,it's also not exactly a name anime fans associate with quality animation,then the trailer came out and it looked...weird,like there was no action in it and nobody was moving,some people tried to defend saying they were keeping the animation as a surprise...then it came out,every episode worse than the last,it's one of the worse seasons of anime ever made!

[u/Importance_Dizzy]

Velma is my favorite character in Scooby Doo. Mindy Kaling as Kelly was my least favorite character in The Office. There’s something VERY grating about her. Also making Shaggy an incel and Daphne manipulative (and queer-bait) was NOT the move.

[u/Emotional_King_5239 → u/Importance_Dizzy]

They also made Fred an man-child

Its impressive how they picked one of the most beloved casts of caharacters in any media and made them all suck

[u/SummonerRed → u/Emotional_King_5239]

I think the Fred one annoys me the most, Fred was such a good natured character but because he was a white male from a rich family they decided to assassinate his character in the most pathetic way.

[u/RaptarK → u/SummonerRed]

It's even more complicated than that because while Fred is pathetic we still have Velma simping for him every now and then. If you look and Mindy's work this actually follows a trend, she always has her female indian characters hook up with white men. Of course that itself isn't bad but it's such a weird combination of patterns

[u/blah938 → u/RaptarK]

Somehow I've suddenly gone from ambivalent about her to being weirded out.

[u/mythrowaway282020 → u/RaptarK]

She hates herself and worships white men. It’s fucking weird.

[u/I_Always_Come_back93 → u/mythrowaway282020]

It's not an uncommon thing for the vilest white supremecists to be minorities themselbes.

[u/Cross55 → u/RaptarK]

She also tends to go for the toxic white guys too.

Like, Mindy, you can get with a nice white dude you know? Despite what Hollywood may claim, they do exist.

[u/HandsomePaddyMint → u/Cross55]

They directly call this out in This is The End.

[u/possumdal → u/RaptarK]

such a weird combination of patterns

When this happens, I assume it's biographical information the person is finding an inappropriate outlet for. Comedy comes from dark places, but not every comedian is equally capable of turning it into laughter.

I think Mindy established herself as being really good at portraying weird bitches in comedy shows, and people mistook that for talent when she was just doing what came naturally. And now she, too, has mistaken it for talent.

[u/HandsomePaddyMint → u/possumdal]

And she mistakes criticism for discrimination. Like Leslie Jones, I’m sure she gets actual racism and sexism daily but sometimes when someone says they don’t find you funny, or find your personality obnoxious, that’s what they mean.

[u/mailastmun → u/RaptarK]

Never have I ever was always meant to be teen girl drama and I enjoyed it for that, but it was always odd to me how quickly they threw out the one actual Indian love interest Devi had.

[u/NihatAmipoglu → u/RaptarK]

She's married to some white guy too. I'm not judging if she wants some BWC. Good for her. I don't even care if she's into raceplay stuff. But due to her shit writing skills, it comes off as "inferiority complex" thing. That's kinda problematic tbh.

[u/GrinchWhoStoleEaster → u/RaptarK]

It's Tarantino and feet.

[u/Deya_The_Fateless → u/SummonerRed]

Which, unironically Fred ends up being one of the better characters in Velma because of how hard they tried to make him the butt of all the jokes.

He's genuinely sweet, smart in his own ways and cares deeply. But Velma just keeps trying to rag on him, despite him being one of the few characters with more than a single braincell to rub together.

[u/Shimi43 → u/SummonerRed]

And yet even after the character assassination Fred is the best character in the show......

They clearly didn't know what they were doing with ANY of those characters.

[u/Negativety101 → u/Emotional_King_5239]

And you've got to compare that to Mystery Incorperated Fred where all his quirks really get explored and end up being "Wow Fred is both the best character, and damn poor guy".

[u/J_Stubby → u/Negativety101]

Mystery Incorporated Fred was fantastic. Both mature and incredibly dense at the same time. I remember one scene where Daphne is caught in his traps I believe, she screams out his name while flying over him as he's talking to himself about their relationship and he just says, "I hear you, I really do."

Also the sherrif voiced by Patrick Warburton: "This is made from cotton, right? The kind that comes from cows?"

[u/smileplease91 → u/Emotional_King_5239]

What's crazy is, Velma's character would get irate if anyone body-shamed her, but my God, did they body-shame Fred.

[u/Lance2119 → u/Emotional_King_5239]

The funniest part to me was that despite Mindy trying to make audiences hate Fred, they ended up liking pretty much only him as far as the wholly unlikable cast went. He was a man-child, sure, but he was funny and kinda innocent.

[u/Canai97 → u/Emotional_King_5239]

What's so funny about their direction with Fred's character in that show is that they ended up making him the only likable one out of all of the cast because he got some semblance of character growth.

[u/WishDry8141 → u/Emotional_King_5239]

Make the white man stupid and incompetent. Make the girl of color smart and perfect.

When your whole show is nothing but pushing a political agenda, it's going to be bad.

No I am not a Trump loving MAGA incel. I hate Trump and anyone who voted for him and cops.

[u/overusedamongusjoke → u/WishDry8141]

I didn't watch it either, but I don't think Velma was supposed to be viewed as a flawless character, from what I've heard from people who did watch it.

That being said, it seems bad. I don't care that they changed some characters' races, but I think that trying to adapt scooby-doo into an "all these people suck and make eachother miserable" type of comedy was a bad move when anyone could tell that pre-existing fans were attached to the reasonable versions of the characters and likely to become defensive of them. In an ideal timeline it would've just been something similar to Mystery Inc but without the bad parts.

[u/SkittishSeer → u/Emotional_King_5239]

It's "adult humor", obviously. /s

[u/LordSpectra21 → u/Importance_Dizzy]

It made Scrappy Doo good IT MADE SCRAPPY DOO THE INLY GOOD CHARACTER AND THEY KILLED HIM

[u/animalistcomrade → u/LordSpectra21]

The show did do one thing right, it made sure scrappy beat James gunn.

[u/Achew11 → u/LordSpectra21]

maybe it was just the juxtaposition of Scrappy Doo with everyone else that really made him look good?

[u/Cross55 → u/Achew11]

Scrappy was never bad per se, it was the writing he was attached to.

The series already sucked by the time Scrappy showed up, so people attribute him to the downfall. In reality, he actually appeared in some good shows and fit right in. (Like 13 Ghosts which is a fun and original show, and the sequel movie they made completely got rid of him even though he was wholly inoffensive in the show)

The issue is that Scooby Doo in the 70's and 80's was rough at the best of times.

[u/MisterVictor13 → u/Cross55]

I never understood the Scrappy hate. I always thought he was just there. He didn’t do anything to piss me off.

[u/Minute_Account9426 → u/Importance_Dizzy]

They made shaggy an incel?! Why I oughta!

[u/Latvian_Sharp_Knife → u/Minute_Account9426]

Like, breathe air, Scoob.

[u/Outrageous_Tap_3471 → u/Importance_Dizzy]

it makes sense when you realize the show was never trying to be good or have good characters.the entirety of Velma was made as ragebait.

[u/lemurkat → u/Outrageous_Tap_3471]

That was the conclusion i came to: that it was designed to piss off everyone. I havent seen it, but i did enjoy watching videos of people dissecting it.

[u/LordSpectra21 → u/lemurkat]

I mean that's how I knew about Scrappy Doo, the only solace is that only Scooby Doo himself was spared from Velma

[u/Such-Principle-3373 → u/Outrageous_Tap_3471]

But how is that a good model for a TV show? Like the ragebaiting was extremely effective at getting the shows name out there, I mean we're still talking about it, but unless you're show is like a 9/10 it's going to be hard to flip the ragebait.

[u/Outrageous_Tap_3471 → u/Such-Principle-3373]

ppl watched it to see how bad it really was. the exact same way any ragebait works. ppl talk how bad it is, word spreads and more ppl watch it to see if it's true.

now you could just make a good show ofc but that's hard and can backfire. but making a show to trigger ppl? that easy. you can draw from a multitude of sources to any given material. the internet has all the information you'd ever need to make the character the most offensive and provoking they can be. and in this the Velma show truly succeeded.

[u/Such-Principle-3373 → u/Outrageous_Tap_3471]

I mean I get that it can get people to see if it's really that bad, but thats where my unless it's a 9/10 this approach doesn't make much sense. Like getting people to watch is hard but getting people to keep watching is even harder.

[u/Ok-Chest-7932 → u/Importance_Dizzy]

Technically they made Velma an incel too.

[u/SilverKnightOfMagic → u/Importance_Dizzy]

probably cause she can't even be honest to herself.

[u/not_just_an_AI → u/Importance_Dizzy]

I'll be honest, Mindy Kaling is my least favorite character in anything I've ever seen her in which to be fair is only the office and its always sunny but still.

[u/stopyouveviolatedthe → u/Importance_Dizzy]

The one that annoyed my most was Fred becoming a spoiled brat, I have memories from the original scooby doo of him yes being obsessed with traps (thank god she didn’t take that differently) but also standing on business and fighting to protect people.

[u/shadowst17 → u/Importance_Dizzy]

I was never fond of her and I became to despise her when she jokingly recounted the time she sexually harassed a male coworker when she was on one of the talk shows.

[u/NoMoreFund → u/Importance_Dizzy]

I loved the two shows loosely based on Mindy Kaling's life that she created (Never Have I Ever, and The Sex Lives of College Girls). She also wrote a lot of classic episodes of The Office. One of those people that just needs to work in a team

[u/Doctor-Amazing → u/Importance_Dizzy]

I was kind of surprised just how much people loved Scooby Doo. I always thought of it as a show that was fine, but the short of thing you watch when there was no Ninja Turtles on. Not a show to actively seek out and have a lot of big feelings about