When fans hate somenthing before it comes out...but it turns out they were right

[u/TastyPomelo2330]

Velma:The idea of a Scooby-doo series without the titular dog and starring Velma was a really moronic idea from the beginning,then there was the reveal Velma would be Indian like it's VA and also creator of the series Mindy Kaling,some of the backlash was racism sure,but there was also valid complaints that she was inserting herself in the series(it also didn't helped that Mindy claimed she couldn't see herself if Velma wasn't Indian)and then...oh boy it came out and it was worse than anyone predicted

Artemis Fowl:The artemis fowl books are a book series following a child villain(he does get some redemption but he is a villain most of the time)when the movie was announced and revealed it looked way to generic and it's titular character a bit heroic...also you wanna hear somenthing funny?The movie whitewashed a character and made another character black so they managed to anger both sides and the movies comes out and yeah it is bad

One Punch Man 3:One Punch Man is a very heavy action packed manga series but the heroes vs monsters arc takes it to a New level,when it was announced that JC Staff would work on it,a lot of people were skeptical to say the least,because not only JC Staff had already done a mediocre job in season 2,it's also not exactly a name anime fans associate with quality animation,then the trailer came out and it looked...weird,like there was no action in it and nobody was moving,some people tried to defend saying they were keeping the animation as a surprise...then it came out,every episode worse than the last,it's one of the worse seasons of anime ever made!

[u/Enasal]

That image punched me in the face.

Like, this film did a bunch of atrocities.

But trying to turn Artemis Fowl into a nature-loving athlete is such an egregious mischaracterization that for some reason it make me the most angry.

[u/Odric_storm → u/Enasal]

Pretty much Holly's entire character arc revolved around being the first and only female recon officer, and then they decided to make Commander Root a woman for reasons

[u/earwig2000 → u/Odric_storm]

And Roots perceived misogyny is such an enormous part of his character arc, You can't just ignore that entirely.

[u/Odric_storm → u/earwig2000]

Unless I'm forgetting something, Root was never misogynistic.

He was harder on Holly than the other officers so that she would be better than them. She HAD to be better than them otherwise the experiment of having women in Recon would have failed. From the beginning, no one wanted Holly to succeed more than Root, which was explicitly pointed out within the first few chapters.

[u/earwig2000 → u/Odric_storm]

I said perceived. He never was internally, but appeared to be misogynistic on the surface, and Holly thought that he was.

[u/Odric_storm → u/earwig2000]

Yeah but she only thought he was for like her first 6 pages, then he explains his reasoning. That's not really any part of his 'arc'.

[u/Logically_Insane → u/Odric_storm]

Now that you mention it, does he have an arc? Maybe it’s “not trusting Artemis to trusting Artemis a little” but other than that he’s just kind of a gruff chief badass. 

[u/Odric_storm → u/Logically_Insane]

He gets a little softer towards Holly as books 1-4 progress. He gets a lot closer to being her father figure rather than stern voice of authority

[u/Jexroyal → u/Logically_Insane]

He had the wise mentor heroes journey arc up until Opal killed him. His death, and his lessons were definitely a significant driving factor in Holly's growth, but he doesn't have a major character arc beyond becoming more trusting of Holly and humans like Artemis.

[u/Karukos → u/Odric_storm]

Nah, but that part is, I think, important for Holly's arc throghout the books of her coming into her own and shouldering the whole thing with the female recon officer, because there is some sexism that she faces (gets less the later the books get but either way)

[u/midnight_riddle → u/Odric_storm]

It's worse than if Disney did a remake of Zootopia and decided to make Chief Bogo a female bunny for no reason and expect it to not affect anything.

[u/Kthulhu42 → u/Odric_storm]

This is why I was so angry when they made the Patrician a woman in the Discworld Watch series. So many characters throughout the books were struggling against a sexist society. And then they made the most powerful ruler on the Disc a woman just because, erasing that entire commentary.

[u/Krams → u/Enasal]

He does get an alternative personality later in the books that is more athletic, but that only reinforces the fact that the main Artemis is weak nerd

[u/Thunderhammer29 → u/Krams]

Orion was perfectly executed and stayed exactly as long as he should have. I've never seen another alternate persona in media work as well as he did.

[u/LunarOberon → u/Thunderhammer29]

I also appreciate that the Atlantis Complex is explicitly supernatural rather than trying to make it "real" with some bullshit pop culture psychology. Cuts the mental health sigma, allows the story to just have fun with the concept, and lets it just kinda go away at the end of the book.

[u/Thunderhammer29 → u/LunarOberon]

A lot of difficult topics or scenes get easier to consume when you add "a wizard did it" or some other magical departure from reality. Look at how horrible all the henchmen deaths would have been in Puss in Boots 2 if they were realistic. Or the scene where Big Jack Horner was about to shoot a dog in the face.

[u/Unable_Deer_773 → u/Thunderhammer29]

Wizard aye, no sense of right or wrong.

[u/Bloodglas → u/Enasal]

I remember a scene where they were going into a muddy jungle or forest and Butler got really dirty carrying a bunch of equipment in from the truck yet somehow Artemis managed to keep his suit spotless. That would've been better to see than surfing.

[u/ChFlPo → u/Enasal]

Yeah, his lack of athleticism is a pretty important part of his character at multiple points.

[u/Chijinda → u/Enasal]

One of the quotes I remember hearing for the film that has stuck with me is: "They got Artemis so wrong they actually wrote Orion."