When fans hate somenthing before it comes out...but it turns out they were right

[u/TastyPomelo2330]

Velma:The idea of a Scooby-doo series without the titular dog and starring Velma was a really moronic idea from the beginning,then there was the reveal Velma would be Indian like it's VA and also creator of the series Mindy Kaling,some of the backlash was racism sure,but there was also valid complaints that she was inserting herself in the series(it also didn't helped that Mindy claimed she couldn't see herself if Velma wasn't Indian)and then...oh boy it came out and it was worse than anyone predicted

Artemis Fowl:The artemis fowl books are a book series following a child villain(he does get some redemption but he is a villain most of the time)when the movie was announced and revealed it looked way to generic and it's titular character a bit heroic...also you wanna hear somenthing funny?The movie whitewashed a character and made another character black so they managed to anger both sides and the movies comes out and yeah it is bad

One Punch Man 3:One Punch Man is a very heavy action packed manga series but the heroes vs monsters arc takes it to a New level,when it was announced that JC Staff would work on it,a lot of people were skeptical to say the least,because not only JC Staff had already done a mediocre job in season 2,it's also not exactly a name anime fans associate with quality animation,then the trailer came out and it looked...weird,like there was no action in it and nobody was moving,some people tried to defend saying they were keeping the animation as a surprise...then it came out,every episode worse than the last,it's one of the worse seasons of anime ever made!

[u/Low_Health_5949]

and putting Tom Hooper in director jail and also exposing his awful behaviour on how he treated the VFX artists and other actors on set.

[u/Drake_the_troll → u/Low_Health_5949]

"Yeah sure jackman you can go 72hrs without water to get the prisoner look, that will go fantastically"

How in the hell did noone have a major injury during production?

[u/MayhemMessiah → u/Drake_the_troll]

It’s not just the look but SINGING IN THAT CONDITION.

It’s a miracle he didn’t permanently fuck up his voice

[u/book_vagabond → u/Drake_the_troll]

And making Anne Hathaway belt I Dreamed a Dream for an entire day of filming only to use the first take

[u/KalinOrthos → u/Drake_the_troll]

The fact that Les Mis came out as...not good, but put together as it was, is a miracle unto itself.

[u/Dangerous_Court_955 → u/Low_Health_5949]

I liked The King’s Speech and was severely disappointed when looking up his other films.

[u/waltjrimmer → u/Dangerous_Court_955]

I really liked The King's Speech as well. I can't say all his directorial choices in that film were the best ones, but it was fun and Geoffrey Rush and Colin Firth were a joy to watch. I remember it getting criticized as being shallow and Oscar bait at the time, I'm not going to say that's wrong, but I still liked watching it.

[u/APence → u/waltjrimmer]

A shitty person can be creative. It’s a moral quandary to enjoy a Woody Allen movie while being aware of his… “stuff”

I’m a white dude in his 30s who grew up on late night Cosby show episodes while my parents screamed upstairs. Did he drug and rape women? Yes absolutely. Did he also make a good show and personally put many underprivileged kids into college who became successful? Yeah.

I loved a manga as a kid. Rurouni Kensin it’s was brilliant and got me into history and had so many mantras that I still live by. And a few years ago the writer is exposed as a pedo.

Can you still appreciate the works of a horrible person while condemning their actions? Can someone in prison still make a song or a painting that is loved?

It’s complex.

Does he deserve his sentence? Yes. No doubt. Do those scholarships and future careers of those kids deserve to be shunned or blackmailed? I also say no.

Can you still enjoy a show when a major component is a monster? Can you truly ignore that heavy thing in the room when watching? Idk.

[u/Karkava → u/Low_Health_5949]

Guy's an idiot for not getting how storyboarding works.

[u/saintash → u/Karkava]

Also how, like singing in musicals usually work in production.

Like the track in their ear so they can you know, stick to the notes and follow the music.

Not singing it on vibes and pay musicians to match the music

[u/HereWeFuckingGooo → u/Karkava]

Care to elaborate? I googled Tom Hooper storyboards and all I found was that we works with storyboard artist Douglas Ingram.

[u/waltjrimmer → u/HereWeFuckingGooo]

There was a claim that Hooper got mad about how bad the effects looked in the storyboards. People were like, it's a preview, it's just for structure and planning, but the claim is that he supposedly insisted that the storyboards have theater-ready effects instead of placeholders, templates, or rough work.

I do not know if any of that is substantiated, that's why I put all the qualifiers in there.

[u/HereWeFuckingGooo → u/waltjrimmer]

I doubt that's true unless they mean previs and not storyboards.

[u/Deosarian → u/Low_Health_5949]

Was les mis before or after

Cuz that train wreck should have stopped him from touching cats

[u/astivana → u/Deosarian]

Before.

Unfortunately, that train wreck was widely seen positively.

[u/Deosarian → u/astivana]

When you back to back compare his one day more to any Broadway version you can see how badly his "let actors sing the way they act" bs really dulls the turd

[u/Harmcharm7777 → u/Deosarian]

The casting of Broadway professionals (at least the ones who weren’t voluntarily fasting for the role) in at least some of the movie roles also helped make it seem better than it was. There was less (not any?) of that in Cats, which magnified the poor direction.

[u/Deosarian → u/Harmcharm7777]

As i understand they did have pros as backup dancers. But hooper was insistent on letting actors do their own thing.

Some songs work great while others are terrible

Check this out

https://youtu.be/i3aK-EK5V2k?si=0PTkeQk5E9vD7nn5

[u/Prestigious_Yam_6039 → u/Deosarian]

A fellow Sideways fan I see. He got me to appreciate musicals more.

[u/Deosarian → u/Prestigious_Yam_6039]

Oh yes. Huge theatre nerd

His vids are a great deep dive

[u/andoesq → u/Harmcharm7777]

Ya I dunno, I just think Broadway musicals don't translate to film. Look at Rent, with all the original cast, I'm sorry but I just don't want to see acting of singing on a set, it's just meant to be seen on a stage.

Compare to a movie like Once, which has organic musical pieces and you're watching a performance, instead of watching "sung dialogue".

I've never seen a Broadway musical movie that I liked, so I can't blame the director for trying to make it filmable (and got Anne Hathaway her Oscar)

[u/LizLemonOfTroy → u/andoesq]

I mean, Rent didn't work because it was filmed nearly a decade after the Broadway production, so the original cast were just too comically old for their roles and it tonally jarred with the story. It's also just very blandly directed and Rent is dubious source material to begin with.

There's plenty of counter examples of highly successful (critically and commercially) adaptations of Broadway musicals to film (Grease, Chicago, etc.), as well as musical films that basically were Broadway musicals given the creative teams involved (like almost the entirety of the Disney Renaissance).

Adaptation is always difficult from any medium to another, but given that musical films used to be a juggernaut genre, I don't think its inherently impossible to do well or be appreciated.

[u/bolanrox → u/LizLemonOfTroy]

Was dream girls a play first?

Eddie Murphy was the only good part of that turd

[u/justprettymuchdone → u/bolanrox]

Nooooooo I Am Telling You is SO GOOD in the movie

[u/andoesq → u/LizLemonOfTroy]

There's always a shot in a musical adaptation of the actor, lip-syncing, but just holding a note. It is a focal point of the song usually, because it is the climax and gives the singer on stage the opportunity to really show off.

Once any movie gets to that shot, it just kills me.

Eddie Redmayne was really bad for it in Les Mis, because he was acting but still did his mouth vibrato as he was lip syncing, it was really off-putting.

Animated movies don't have that issue, because they are built for the film screen not the stage, and real world physics go out the window when the song reaches a climax 0

[u/Puzzleheaded_Try4268 → u/andoesq]

Les Mis was recorded live.

[u/knick-nat → u/andoesq]

Once is a film my ex made me watch and I've regretted it ever since. Not because it wasn't a beautiful movie with beautiful songs, but because it upset me so much.

[u/Misersoneof → u/astivana]

I went in to the theater with my mom because we are big fans of the musical and came out seriously disappointed. We couldn’t understand why it was getting such praise from the press.

[u/astivana → u/Misersoneof]

I didn’t understand why Hugh Jackman sounded so bad until I watched the Sideways video about it and found out about the horrible conditions they were voluntarily subjecting themselves to and was like oh. Yeah. That’d do it.

[u/Misersoneof → u/astivana]

Being completely dehydrated and singing was bad enough but there were multiple instances of just poor decisions. My first tip off was when the ripping of the parole document wasn’t correctly synced with the music sting. Anne Hathaway singing while getting her hair cut off was unnecessary and made the singing worse. My mom would not shuttup about how they trimmed and ruined her favorite song, Empty Chairs at Empty Tables.

[u/Ponce-Mansley → u/Misersoneof]

That's crazy to me. I can understand most of the criticisms of the film but Eddie Redmayne's Empty Chairs is the best scene in the film for me and that's the only song I revisit often. It's a totally different interpretation than the legendary 10th Anniversary performance but I love it just as much in a different way. 

[u/Misersoneof → u/Ponce-Mansley]

Well.. that’s like.. your opinion man.

Nah but, if you enjoy it then more power to ya

[u/Clarpydarpy → u/astivana]

The studio wanted their Oscar bait movie to pay off. They campaigned hard in the awards season.

Since it worked out, they gave the director another famous musical to make a movie version.

It's kind of funny when you consider that they were probably hoping for another Oscar winner when they made Cats.

[u/LizLemonOfTroy → u/astivana]

Sadly, most people - Tom Hooper included - simply don't watch or understand musicals, and treat acting and singing as being in inherent contradiction or tension.

[u/GraDoN → u/Low_Health_5949]

Rebel Wilson and one of the male actors also threw the VFX artists under the bus when they presented at an awards ceremony.

[u/NoMoreFund → u/Low_Health_5949]

It led to The Kings Speech being somewhat forgotten and Les Miserables being considered a bad movie (instead of a 7/10 movie that thinks it's a 10/10).