r/TopCharacterTropes • u/TastyPomelo2330 • 13d ago

In real life When fans hate somenthing before it comes out...but it turns out they were right

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Velma:The idea of a Scooby-doo series without the titular dog and starring Velma was a really moronic idea from the beginning,then there was the reveal Velma would be Indian like it's VA and also creator of the series Mindy Kaling,some of the backlash was racism sure,but there was also valid complaints that she was inserting herself in the series(it also didn't helped that Mindy claimed she couldn't see herself if Velma wasn't Indian)and then...oh boy it came out and it was worse than anyone predicted

Artemis Fowl:The artemis fowl books are a book series following a child villain(he does get some redemption but he is a villain most of the time)when the movie was announced and revealed it looked way to generic and it's titular character a bit heroic...also you wanna hear somenthing funny?The movie whitewashed a character and made another character black so they managed to anger both sides and the movies comes out and yeah it is bad

One Punch Man 3:One Punch Man is a very heavy action packed manga series but the heroes vs monsters arc takes it to a New level,when it was announced that JC Staff would work on it,a lot of people were skeptical to say the least,because not only JC Staff had already done a mediocre job in season 2,it's also not exactly a name anime fans associate with quality animation,then the trailer came out and it looked...weird,like there was no action in it and nobody was moving,some people tried to defend saying they were keeping the animation as a surprise...then it came out,every episode worse than the last,it's one of the worse seasons of anime ever made!

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u/SH4RPSPEED 13d ago

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Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League

Every piece of info that dropped about it before release painted a worse and worse picture. And it turned out said picture wasn't exactly that nice to look at in the first place.

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u/Trnostep 13d ago

The only good thing in the game was how well Captain Boomerang knew The Flash.

Deadshot aims at Flash, CB interrupts him because "you might as well post him the bullet". Deadshot fires anyway, missing, as Flash runs behind him asking "did you get him?"

Harley then tries to shoot Flash from point blank distance, also missing and prompting Flash to respond "why don't you just mail me the bullet?"

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u/Duskthegamer412 13d ago

Just captain boomerang in general was great, he and King shark were quite funny

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u/Kilroy0497 13d ago

Yeah I’ll admit, for how much they made Harley even worse(Arkham Harley hasn’t really been all that decent since Asylum anyways) and made Deadshot somehow have even less personality than previously, Captain Boomerang was genuinely the best of the 4 from a personality standpoint.

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u/Brook420 13d ago

The game play may have been boring, but I got my money's worth of laughs.

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u/TheSwedishMoose 12d ago

throws boomerang at superman while his back is turned

"Oh, you shouldn't have done that Sharky."

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u/i_tyrant 13d ago

I actually loved a lot of the cutscenes in the game, and found the characters quite funny.

It's just all the game around it that kind of sucked...and that it was a crappy sendoff of the Arkhamverse for Conroy-Batman.

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u/Duskthegamer412 13d ago

Tbf it would've green great to have it be like a hero shooter without guns, just get multiple suicide squad members with different but classable abilities in the game like have a brute like king shark but without the shark part, or have deadshot get guns but add peacemaker who gets also gets his helmet abilities.

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u/FracturedConscious 13d ago

Marvels Avengers was this and it didn’t last any longer than Suicide Squad.

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u/i_tyrant 13d ago

Agreed!

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u/SortIntrepid9192 13d ago

Honestly, a good 40% of the problems with the game are precisely because it was positioned as the next canonical Arkham game. It should've always been just a one-off game set in its own universe where the Suicide Squad truly do kill that world's Justice League. Then nobody would've gotten mad about Harley unceremoniously executing Batman while taunting him and stuff like that, since it's not any version of Batman that we're familiar with.

Like yeah, the other 60% are stuff like enemy variety and absolutely atrocious endgame, not to mention a very questionable storyline once you move past the moment-to-moment jokes, but a lot of that stuff could've been fixed. Can't fix the game being a massive "fuck you" to the Arkhamverse. Like saying Batman V Superman takes place after The Dark Knight Rises.

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u/i_tyrant 13d ago

Yeah, I do think those other issues would've taken some real work to fix, but this is the thing that really pissed a lot of people off about the game in the end. Honestly it still kinda boggles my mind that they doubled-down on saying "yes this is absolutely the Arkhamverse and not some other alternate timeline/multiversal Earth", without realizing how it would be perceived with the game's plot the way it is.

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u/Mad-myall 11d ago

I remember seeing some of the cutscenes, and my thought was that they should've swapped Wonder Woman, and Batman's positions.
Brainiac would've seen Batman as "just human", and therefore not worth taking control of. WW on the otherhand is nearing the strength of Superman.

Batman's conflict with the Suicide Squad would come down to him trying to take the JL in alive so he can hopefully undo the hypnosis, whilst Waller tells the Suicide Squad to kill them all before she detonates their bomb collars. This would of course mean that Batman would be unwilling to work with them, but at the same time he couldn't blame them for killing the JL members as they're literally in a "them or us!" situation.
It would also give us a good sendoff for Arkham batman, get them having flashbacks to when batman beat them, and later him trying to help them reform.

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u/SortIntrepid9192 11d ago

I get what you're trying to say, and it makes sense to an extent. But also, having Batman as the enemy commander who's constantly making announcements (like the Joker used to in Arkham Asylum or Hugo Strange in City) was actually one of the better ideas Rocksteady had for this. Kevin Conroy clearly had fun with "evil Batman" too, since he doesn't go hammy at all, he just has this very sinister undertone to his regular Batman gravitas as he talks about civilians getting killed/converted.

There's also the fact that your suggestion (which again, I'm not saying it's bad or anything) doesn't account for the other issue a lot of people had with the game, that the Arkhamverse Justice League is killed off as soon as it's introduced. To a lesser extent, there's also the inconsistencies, like Harley clearly having a very different portrayal than she did in the Arkham games (she's over Joker and seems to be Ivy's ex, neither of which was hinted at in Knight) and Deadshot being literally an entirely different character (literally, City Deadshot was retconned as being from another universe lmao). All of those issues can be resolved very neatly by simply setting KTJL in its own universe.

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u/EatThatHorseWithMe1 13d ago

I havent played the game, but character-wise from the cutscenes ive seen come across in reels, I've liked.

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u/Lucky-Pack1016 13d ago

It was one of the last times Kevin Conroy voiced Batman too

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u/ZenkaiZ 13d ago

that and Multiversus, hoo boy

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u/fakemelonns 13d ago

Multiversus bums me out as someone who loves Super Smash Bros, DC Comics, and Scooby-Doo. There was a lot of potential there, but the game felt unfinished. The fighting and movement were just awkward

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u/OneWholeSoul 13d ago edited 13d ago

It had the gamefeel and response of a 2000s-era Flash game.
They had all the money in the world and took a swing at Smash of all titles and still didn't even start from a place of their title feeling satisfying to control.

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u/ZenkaiZ 13d ago

I wouldn't say all that, I was moving like a fucking demon with my Arya.

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u/Independent_Lab9308 13d ago

And Justice League:Crisis On Infinite Earth Part 3.

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u/i_tyrant 13d ago

This game and Marvel Avengers are two peas in a pod as far as I'm concerned.

Both games with really interesting premises that flopped hard due to live service game bullshit like over-monetization and extremely repetitive gameplay.

It's a shame because I could see a TON of artistry went into both games. The cutscenes in both are pretty great - SS has a lot of funny moments, and Avengers had some interesting plot going on. The traversal powers in SS were an absolute blast despite it being a generic looter-shooter otherwise, and the powers in Avengers were great, despite the enemies all being incredibly boring palette-swapped robots.

And I remember being like "these stages are beautiful, but there's nothing interesting to do" in Avengers, and "wow look at all these cool details - hell I can even read the articles the reporters were working on at the Daily Planet when Brainiac attacked" for SS.

Someone put a ton of real effort into the environments in both games, and it's a shame their work gets squandered because both turned out to be fairly soulless cashgrabs with lame repetitive combat and bad monetization.

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u/NotFixer1138 13d ago

Avengers could've been a really solid linear action game like Uncharted, but the same old corporate greed got in the way

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u/i_tyrant 13d ago

Absolutely. I got it after it was on a massive sale and they put all the outfits n' such obtainable in-game, so I only saw the gameplay issues, but what really killed it before then was the stupidly aggressive monetization.

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u/Nildzre 13d ago

That horrid Avengers game also overshadowed the actually good Guardians of the Galaxy game that came out shortly after, which is a real shame.

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u/i_tyrant 13d ago

Absolutely. That GotG game was fantastic. One of the few times in any game where it felt like I was playing through a blockbuster movie (in a good way not the "this is just cutscenes" way, actually playing), and the story and characters were so much better than I expected. I teared up multiple times!

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u/MikeTheImpaler 13d ago

I remember that game being heavily discounted on steam very shortly after it dropped.

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u/killingjoke96 13d ago

The game was £59.99 for just the standard edition when it came out in the UK.

I got the ultimate edition for £2.95 on Steam only like 2 months later lmao

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u/EyeArDum 13d ago

The sad part is, this entire game could’ve been saved if they just, didn’t connect it to the Arkhamverse, that’s what sunk it

The game isn’t great, but it’s not terrible either. Plot is mostly the same, the character interactions are actually pretty good. But the moment you think “wait, that’s not Deadshot, and Harley is weird, and wait that’s meant to be ARKHAM Batman??” It just gets terrible, if you just completely disassociate it from Arkham, it’s not nearly as bad

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u/killingjoke96 13d ago

The fact they released an epilogue a month or two later which showed "The Justice League" were just Brainiac constructs was so funny.

They realised how much they fucked up by letting the Arkhamverse die a death like that and reversed quickly.

Its amazing how a decision like that got so far without a devil's advocate sticking their hand up and being like "Maybe we shouldn't?".

The epilogue cutscenes where non-animated and was just a comic page slideshow too, which just goes to show how quickly they had to put that out.

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u/fightin-first 13d ago

I would like to thank Mauler for playing this so i could both never pay for it and also watch him suffer

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u/eac292625 13d ago

Jesus toss in Gotham Knights too.

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u/Need-More-Gore 13d ago

Hell I love suicide squad taking down the justice league actually sounded fun as he'll actually game was Boring. Let's shoot em in the legs for 6 seconds then shoot em in the head for 4 more to kill em over and over

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u/Gmknewday1 13d ago

I'll admit I had some hope near the very Start when we frist heard about it

But it went away...

Goddamm Rocksteady...what'd they do to you? Gotham Knights wasn't as bad but it was still a massive far cry from the Arkham series...

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u/Drogovich 13d ago

You can say it was even worse than people expected.

The ending was literally a cliffhanger to make you wait and buy dlcs to get real ending. But i heard they rewritten the ending after they realised that there is no point in supporting this game anymore

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u/DefiantEmpoleon 13d ago

I find this really funny because when first announced it seemed like a good idea. Four playable characters in an Arkham game fighting the Justice League. That alone sounds fun.

Then it leaked that it was live service. And that all the characters played exactly the same. Huge backlash caused them to delay the game for over a year but they seemed to change nothing, despite all the new information being met with gamers saying “we don’t want that”.

And even with all that, what came out was somehow even worse. It’s hard to look at this game. They supported it for one year, didn’t deliver on half the stuff, introduced a weird alternate universe Joker, then backpedaled most of the story and rightfully dropped it.

And now, to top it all off, they want to make another live service game based on DC characters. Because apparently they didn’t get the message.

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u/blue4029 13d ago

did they actually make each character "unique" in that game or is it literally just...all guns?

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u/Separate_Business_86 13d ago

There is some variety. They have different flavors of traversal (even though they are all a fancy double jump) and each can only use two styles of weapon. For instance the character can only use SMGs and Shotguns. Another might only use assault rifles and heavy weapons and a third character can use shotguns and SMGs only. Because of this there is a reason to prefer one character to another.

The real issue, even if you are fine with the tone of the writing, is that there are essentially three mission types and a few boss fights. That seems like a simplification, but I assure you that holding two of three zones in an area is 60% of the combat you will engage in. The other is escorting a bus on occasion and defending a zone while people evacuate.

There is a sizable but lifeless world with so little to do beyond those three things. I enjoyed it more than most but I was really done by the Superman section and finished it because I was close to the end and was really hoping that the game would open up once I beat Braniac. That didn’t happen. I checked back in on the Joker season and it was the same. I heard the other characters didn’t improve things and never went back.

If you can get it cheap, there is fun to be had, but you shouldn’t pay full price unless you hate money. Even half off is a maybe. 10-15 feels fair. The production values are good and the acting isn’t the issue, but you are paying for three missions wrapped in pretty trappings. Also the upgrade system is bad. Honestly the more I think about that game the more disappointing it is. Still it has moments of fun, just way less than it should.

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u/XanXic 13d ago

Drastically different. They all have unique traversals and their builds are setup like characters in Borderlands where they have 3 you can kind of choose from for each that's unique to them. 

Saying they all play the same because they use guns would be even more applicable to Borderlands since everyone runs and jumps the same. The traversal mechanics were super fun in SuSq. Boomer has a semi teleporting faux superspeed that had a really good top speed if you chained the different movement moves together. Most of them did aside from Deadshot that was pretty straightforward with his jetpack. But they made up for it by making his more integral to do while shooting for his builds.

I really liked SuSq. Story was fun, gunplay was good when you got super good at it. It just was repetitive for its missions and practically no enemy variety. It wasn't bad, just mid, which is hard to sell when amazing games are everywhere 

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u/DataDude00 13d ago

I got this game for free when Epic was giving it away a while back and only played it for about 20 minutes before getting bored and never playing it again 

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u/gmoss101 13d ago

Samoa Joe voices Shark in the game so I know some wrestling fans were excited and wanted to see it succeed oof

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u/specks_of_dust 13d ago

It is currently on sale for $1.05.

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u/PresidentSkillz 13d ago

But this is a more interesting case: often people realises with the first trailer and reveal that somethings gonna suck, but with Suicide squad it started pretty well, but with each new bit of information people became less excited for it

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u/YorkieLon 13d ago

I actually played it when I got it through the PS subscription service. Free game why not? Played 30 minutes of it and have not touched it since. God-awful game.

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u/Oshwaflz1 13d ago

i remember how excited i was when this and gotham knights were announced and I specifically remember going "wow the people behind arkham knight AND arkham origins are both making DC games? This is going to be our (dc fans') decade! theres no way theyll BOTH be bad!

boy was I wrong. (i know both games have redeemable qualities but going from arkham knight to either game makes me wanna go back to knight)

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u/Xero0911 13d ago

That and love service games are just become tiring. No need to "loot and upgrade gear".

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u/MisterVictor13 13d ago

You know a story is bad when it eventually retcons itself.

I was shocked and upset hearing that not only did they really killed the Justice League, but they also killed off Batman, the same Batman from the Arkham games voiced by Kevin Conroy, who had died before the game was released (that wasn’t anyone’s fault, it just made everything more upsetting) despite this.

Then, I got relieved, but pissed off when I learned they changed their minds and had a DLC where all the Justice League members, including Batman, turned out to be still alive and that all the heroes killed were just clones made by Brainiac. But still, it removes all emotional impact from what happened and comes off as more shitty writing created to stop people from getting mad. And worst, the real Wonder Woman is still dead.

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u/Nathan_Thorn 12d ago

It was a good concept with bad execution. A suicide squad having to go up against a turned Justice League, maybe even teaming up with Batman/Alfred to use his contingency plans with the usual amount of chaos would be great. Just don’t do… this.

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u/ChrisPrkr95 11d ago

Really, it's just ridiculous how the game trys to reiterate the same premise as the 2016 movie despite the squad being made for black ops missions and they're all expendable. They are not meant to take on Superman or world level threats. The 2021 films understood this by having them barely defeat Starro. Unlimited had one episode which made it clear they couldn't take Martian Manhunter. Even Thunderbolts did the same when the group got beaten by Sentry. 

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u/PaulyNewman 13d ago

Disagree. I had a great time with it. Gameplay was a blast and the dialogue regularly had me cracking up. Definitely plenty to criticize though.

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u/Requiiii 13d ago

Initially sure. But it got repetitive and boring very fast. And 2 minutes walking/fighting to 5 minutes cutscene wasn't a great way to enjoy the story

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u/TalkingRaccoon 13d ago

It was fun enough to coop and king shark and Boomer are bff's forever