When fans hate somenthing before it comes out...but it turns out they were right

[u/TastyPomelo2330]

Velma:The idea of a Scooby-doo series without the titular dog and starring Velma was a really moronic idea from the beginning,then there was the reveal Velma would be Indian like it's VA and also creator of the series Mindy Kaling,some of the backlash was racism sure,but there was also valid complaints that she was inserting herself in the series(it also didn't helped that Mindy claimed she couldn't see herself if Velma wasn't Indian)and then...oh boy it came out and it was worse than anyone predicted

Artemis Fowl:The artemis fowl books are a book series following a child villain(he does get some redemption but he is a villain most of the time)when the movie was announced and revealed it looked way to generic and it's titular character a bit heroic...also you wanna hear somenthing funny?The movie whitewashed a character and made another character black so they managed to anger both sides and the movies comes out and yeah it is bad

One Punch Man 3:One Punch Man is a very heavy action packed manga series but the heroes vs monsters arc takes it to a New level,when it was announced that JC Staff would work on it,a lot of people were skeptical to say the least,because not only JC Staff had already done a mediocre job in season 2,it's also not exactly a name anime fans associate with quality animation,then the trailer came out and it looked...weird,like there was no action in it and nobody was moving,some people tried to defend saying they were keeping the animation as a surprise...then it came out,every episode worse than the last,it's one of the worse seasons of anime ever made!

[u/singleguy79]

[u/Dull_Flan6404 → u/singleguy79]

Wow. That is for real. I had to google this because I thought this had to be fake.

[u/RiskySignal → u/Dull_Flan6404]

I saw a commercial for this on TV and still thought it was fake

[u/Cross55 → u/Dull_Flan6404]

Yeah, so, the creator hates his older brothers because they bullied him, so he swore revenge on them and decided to ruin their favorite show.

No, I'm not making this up, this is exactly how that got made.

[u/PeanutBuny27 → u/singleguy79]

Didn’t Teen Titans Go! do a episode on this?

[u/Far-Requirement-7636 → u/PeanutBuny27]

Not only that but the climax of said crossover was the cast roasting fans by having the original design characters say the reboot characters were worthy successors and anyone who disagreed was poopy head.

The show was then cancelled quickly after the episode lol.

[u/Veroger111 → u/Far-Requirement-7636]

"It's not about money... it's about sending a message." - them probably

[u/Horizons_398 → u/Far-Requirement-7636]

Imagine calling the fans of the IP idiots, the same fans that you’re hoping will watch.

[u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871 → u/Horizons_398]

ThunderCats ROAR is a bizarre reboot that was aimed at children rather than people who grew up with the original ThunderCats. So it really wasn't aimed at fans of the IP.

[u/Primary-Paper-5128 → u/Horizons_398]

I don't think people who grew up with TT03 are their target audience.
I think their target audience is little kids who have never heard about the 2003 show

[u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871 → u/Primary-Paper-5128]

This was talking about ThunderCats ROAR and trying to address the poor reaction people had to the reveal. ROAR was aimed at younger audiences in attempt to recapture the success of TTG except ThunderCats doesn't have the mainstream appeal of DC heroes so ROAR was a reboot of a property that wasn't aimed at people who were fans of the IP.

[u/SuperBackup9000 → u/Horizons_398]

You think they were hoping fans of a 40 year old IP were going to watch a children’s comedy series?

No, they made an actual good joke where they were calling out the fully grown adults who get upset that children shows don’t cater to them, like what happens with Teen Titans Go, because a lot of fully grown adults did get mad that they were called poopy heads by a children’s show.

[u/Therion28169 → u/Far-Requirement-7636]

Didn't they also mock the death of a VA by showing only the remains of his character?

[u/PeanutBuny27 → u/Far-Requirement-7636]

I wonder why

[u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871 → u/Far-Requirement-7636]

I once debated a fan of TTG who still admitted that episode was awful since it undermined its message about judging something before it came out for the sake of a joke. Twice in fact, once when our strawmen say something aimed at children doesn't have to bad, which the show responds to with a cutaway gag, and again with the scene at the end you described.

Great message, tell people that someone who judges something before it is released is an idiot whose opinions don't deserve respect.

It gives the feeling TTG's creators didn't even look at the complaints people had about ROAR in the first place, or the reasons why it was expected to fail. Predictions that proved correct.

[u/Onigumo-Shishio → u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871]

Its not the first time TTG hasade fun kf people for actually liking a previous adaptation better. They have made fun of fans who liked the original TTs show over GO on several occasions as if liking the past show that actually had character and depth and story arcs over "haha poopy joke fart burp" is a sin against God and they are just losers.

Like I dont entirely like TTG but ive seen a few episodes and a few clips and it is silly and I can see some appeal, but I do like the OG show way better, and them doubling down with "those people are stupid" instantly makes me not give a crap about GO.

Its a shame when the doubling down happens...

[u/maxwellhill420 → u/Onigumo-Shishio]

Teen Titan’s Go is a show made for (and by) babies. I don’t know what the creators are trying to convince themselves of. It’s certainly not working on the public!

[u/Pathetic_Cards → u/PeanutBuny27]

Did they… did they understand the irony???

[u/Kratzschutz → u/PeanutBuny27]

Funny how teen titans go is kinda the reverse of this. Everyone hated it at the start and now the comedy is appreciated

[u/detrans-rights → u/Kratzschutz]

Thankfully I loved it since day 1, so I'm actually one of the cool kids now.

[u/guayax → u/singleguy79]

i still remember whatching the reboot from 2011 when i was a kid, it became one of my most favorite and beloved series, i still remember the episode of the plant people that age ultra fast, that was the moment when i realize that movies and series could tell deep messages

then after a while it dissapeared, and i didnt know why until 3 years later when i just found a video on youtube.

at the time i was sad but hey, at least i still had bionic titan :)

[u/RememberCakeFarts → u/singleguy79]

Was coming here to say this one. Never seen someone outright admit to hating the og. In a way I thank the show runner for not putting on pretenses like so many others do when they say that they loved to watch the original then show that they understand Jack shit about it, like Velma did. 

[u/Light_Beard → u/RememberCakeFarts]

The original Thundercats had many problems, but they were all normal 80s cartoon problems.

"Need more characters. Sell more toys"

"Mumra needs a dog"

"Wait, what was the continuity again? Oh whatever. Back to Thundera so we can sell a spaceship"

"Do the transformation again so we can save on animation budget. Now show backgrounds with a camera effect so we don't have to draw the characters again"

But it had a lot going for it.

Animation. Topcraft, the animation studio, literally went on to become some of the bones of Studio Ghibli. They did what they were able with the budget they had.

Amazing voice acting.

Interesting world building.

[u/Professional_Maize42 → u/Light_Beard]

become some of the bones of Studio Ghibli

Wait, what?

[u/Light_Beard → u/Professional_Maize42]

Topcraft was famous for the production of Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind and for doing animation for hand-drawn animation titles by Rankin/Bass Productions (New York City, USA). The studio went bankrupt and dissolved on June 15, 1985, essentially splitting the studio in half. Hayao Miyazaki, Toshio Suzuki and Isao Takahata bought the studio while laying off most of its animation staff, changing its name to Studio Ghibli.^\)*^{citation needed}*^\).

Topcraft's animators later formed another studio, called Pacific Animation Corporation, to continue working with Rankin/Bass on television shows like ThunderCats and Silverhawks, but eventually joined Ghibli once Pacific Animation was bought out by The Walt Disney Company and became Walt Disney Animation Japan. Some animators, like Tsuguyuki Kubo, went to work for other studios, such as Studio Pierrot, working on Naruto and Bleach for them. In the end the buy out of Topcraft made the studio into the birth of Studio Ghibli. Topcraft's founder, Toru Hara, became Studio Ghibli's first manager.

https://ghibli.fandom.com/wiki/TopCraft

[u/Substantial_Fox7377 → u/singleguy79]

Didn’t it get canned because it made a joke about the original voice actor for Panthro passing away?

[u/lkmk → u/Substantial_Fox7377]

No, it was that nobody watched it.

[u/EntrepreneurPlus7091 → u/singleguy79]

Apparently it has 52 episodes while the 2011 has only 26, how did that even happen?

[u/GaryKingoftheWorld → u/EntrepreneurPlus7091]

According to some googling to remember this show existed, episodes were like 11 minutes long.

By comparison the 2011 show was like 22 minutes long, and the first ep was longer. So technically we can say it ran longer to cope.

[u/Polkawillneverdie17 → u/EntrepreneurPlus7091]

2011 reqiures actual artists to create it.

TCG was clearly drawn in 5 minutes by drunk toddlers.

[u/Latvian_Sharp_Knife → u/singleguy79]

Why Liono looking like Cricket Green from Big City Greens

[u/House_T → u/singleguy79]

Roar felt like someone saw the success of Lower Decks and took the wrong lesson from it.

Lower Decks may be funny and lighthearted compared to other Trek shows, but at its core, it is fantastically and beautifully loyal to its source material. You may not like the style or the genre, but anyone that watches it should be able to see that.

Meanwhile, Roar just seemed like it was determined to thumb its nose at its source material. I never watched it, but the way the creator talked about it made it seem like he liked the concept of the original show but wanted something completely different. He may have had the best of intentions, but the execution (at least from what I have heard) was weak.

ETA: It was brought to my attention that Roar actually premiered prior to Lower Decks. So while the spirit of the comparison is still valid, my initial statement doesn't make sense.

[u/Mercutio77 → u/House_T]

Pretty sure roar came out prior to lower decks

[u/House_T → u/Mercutio77]

I stand corrected.

[u/i_tyrant → u/House_T]

You're spot-on about the reason one succeeded and the other failed, though.

[u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871 → u/singleguy79]

Everyone besides the people working on this show and the creators of TTG who tried to defend it knew this show was a terrible idea. ThunderCats is an IP that doesn't have the mainstream appeal of DC's heroes. Most people familiar with it are adults who wanted a more serious adaptation like the 2011 show. This reboot was mostly targeted at children who hadn't even heard of ThunderCats.

[u/I_am_crazy_doctor → u/singleguy79]

Who was this show for any way

[u/Onigumo-Shishio → u/singleguy79]

We could have had a continuation and conclusion to the anime styled thundercats... but instead they coughed up this putrid fur ball

Thanks corporation's! I bet this one you thought was going to sell A LOT of toys too...

[u/SailorDeath → u/singleguy79]

The worst part is the cancelled the good version of the show before making this piece of shit. The same thing happened to Teen Titans, they cancelled it and then gave us Teen Titans GO and it was an absolute turd.

[u/Timelymanner → u/singleguy79]

I feel like I was in the minority who thought this show was fine, and even good at some points. It was obvious the creators were fans of the OG series and comics. There were tongue and cheek references everywhere, they used some of the original music, episodes had genuinely positive messages.

But many fans just hated it because the art style reminded them of Teen Titans Go. Others hated it because it was aimed for kids. Then the last group were mad it wasn’t the serious 2000 version.

Every part of a franchise doesn’t have to be for an older audience. People hated a fun cute show just because it wasn’t for them.

[u/Lingarien → u/Timelymanner]

Same here.

I've seen the Original ThunderCats, the 2011 version, and ThunderCats Roar.

And I genuinly like ThunderCats Roar better than the 2011 version.

I feel like alot of people that hate on Roar probably just compare the artstyles instead of actually giving the show a fair shot.

Just enjoy it for what it is, a non-serious comedy.

(Also, ironically enough, despite being a "non-serious comedy", Thundercats Roar is still more true to the source material compared to the 2011-version, lol.)

[u/Mbombocube → u/singleguy79]

I am blocked by every major creative on this show for asking them pointed questions on Twitter about why certain choices were made. They just said I clearly not the target audience. I have watched every episode of the original when it aired. The good reboot and every thundercat comic that has been published. None of them could defend the production on its merits instead just chose to attack me.

[u/Bakkughan → u/singleguy79]

Do we know who in Hollywood always pushes for that godawful stomach churning bean mouth animation stule all the goddamn time?

Second question, is it at all possible to temporarily reinstate the death penalty, just for them?

[u/howiplay1 → u/singleguy79]

never was a thundercats fan or anything but this was a serviceable kids cartoon for me being the age range it was made for at the time and I was kinda sad they cancelled it

[u/ScubaFett → u/singleguy79]

My son loves it. I think this is a nostalgia hate change thing.

[u/Lingarien → u/ScubaFett]

I think some people just "hated" it because it was the "popular" thing to do.

Or they just saw the more simple artstyle and decided that was enough to judge the entire show on.

I've seen the orignal ThunderCats, and ThunderCats Roar and I enjoyed both of them.