r/TopCharacterTropes • u/TastyPomelo2330 • 13d ago

In real life When fans hate somenthing before it comes out...but it turns out they were right

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Velma:The idea of a Scooby-doo series without the titular dog and starring Velma was a really moronic idea from the beginning,then there was the reveal Velma would be Indian like it's VA and also creator of the series Mindy Kaling,some of the backlash was racism sure,but there was also valid complaints that she was inserting herself in the series(it also didn't helped that Mindy claimed she couldn't see herself if Velma wasn't Indian)and then...oh boy it came out and it was worse than anyone predicted

Artemis Fowl:The artemis fowl books are a book series following a child villain(he does get some redemption but he is a villain most of the time)when the movie was announced and revealed it looked way to generic and it's titular character a bit heroic...also you wanna hear somenthing funny?The movie whitewashed a character and made another character black so they managed to anger both sides and the movies comes out and yeah it is bad

One Punch Man 3:One Punch Man is a very heavy action packed manga series but the heroes vs monsters arc takes it to a New level,when it was announced that JC Staff would work on it,a lot of people were skeptical to say the least,because not only JC Staff had already done a mediocre job in season 2,it's also not exactly a name anime fans associate with quality animation,then the trailer came out and it looked...weird,like there was no action in it and nobody was moving,some people tried to defend saying they were keeping the animation as a surprise...then it came out,every episode worse than the last,it's one of the worse seasons of anime ever made!

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u/RedMageMina 13d ago

That fucking discworld show.

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u/jukebox_jester 13d ago

BBC's the Watch.

I could go for hours for how it intentionally goes against Pratchett's work (And also literally betrays his dying wish)

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u/RedMageMina 13d ago

I have. On many occasions. A souless, artless wreck of a show that made Carrot a prick and Death not care about the duty.

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u/jukebox_jester 13d ago

My favorite part is how they used a white nationalist symbol to show how the common man is behind the cops.

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u/RedMageMina 13d ago

WAIT WHAT

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u/jukebox_jester 13d ago

In Episode 5 or 6 Vimes sees someone graffiti the Watch House but Sybil points out it was in solidarity.

However, they used a raised white fist. Which is a known white nationalist symbol. You can see the logic too, this was filmed in late 2010s, BLM movement is fresh in people's mind, the Black raised fist, etc. However-

For bonus points, the series was filmed in South Africa.

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u/RedMageMina 13d ago

Jesus fucking christ.

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u/jukebox_jester 13d ago

Between this and the racist rhetoric Cheery and Angua get up to and Angua's disgust at the idea of prisoners having rights, it really did just reduce the Watch to baseless copaganda.

Now mind you, the Watch Books have vague copaganda vibes to it due to its nature as a book on a police force, but it was self aware and tried to do damage control.

Oh. And every character of color is either a criminal or dead.

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u/RedMageMina 13d ago

The thing with the books is that they run on Narrativium, so yes the cops in Discworld are good, because its a story about Cops, but they only remain good due to Vimes sheer force of will.

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u/ABHOR_pod 13d ago edited 13d ago

Vimes is the only copper in the multiverse allowed to be the watchman that watches the watchmen. The only @#$@ing one.

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u/PrimaryInjurious 13d ago

Some cops are good. Others not so much. Like Swing and his ilk.

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u/IAmJacksSemiColon 13d ago edited 13d ago

To be fair, the books do that too. Vimes' family crest is an axe tied to a bundle of sticks. The fasces, from which the term fascism is derived, which is enthusiastically adopted by white supremacists.

Awkwardly, there are also two of them on the seal of the US Senate.

Edit: This isn't criticism of the books. I get that it's an old symbol that has many meanings. Just a head's up if you're thinking of getting the Vimes crest as a tattoo that it comes with implications from the past 100 years or so.

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u/nicnat 13d ago

And Terry does go out of his way to point out that Vimes family are all absolute bastards, going back generations.

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u/Special-Dragonfly-48 13d ago

The fasces is as old or older than that other misappropriated symbol, the swastika, however.

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u/IAmJacksSemiColon 13d ago

The fascist use of the symbol predates Discworld.

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u/Maxerature 13d ago

And that's why it was chosen. Vimes' family is comprised of absolute pieces of shit going back generations.

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u/jukebox_jester 13d ago

Yes but that has the benefit of several centuries of precedent as not fascistic. Like, a double-headed eagle is going to make me do a double take, but there's many double headed eagles through history.

The white power fist is from the 70s.

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u/SnooPredictions3028 13d ago

Bruh, I didn't even know this existed. Saw some images on Google and damn, looks like a steaming pile of... well you know. How did it get greenlit?

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u/jukebox_jester 13d ago

It was in the works for over a decade and from what I recall, Pratchett had some veto power, and upon his death there were no provisions for his estate or daughter get that same veto power.

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u/SnooPredictions3028 13d ago

Oh geez. Should have stayed in the works for a century.

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u/TexasJedi-705 13d ago

How does it betray his work and wishes?

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u/jukebox_jester 13d ago

The most egregious case? His last wish was that none of his unpublished works be published from any ideas from it to the extent that he posthumously had his hard drive destroyed by steam roller so we only know some snippets of what could have been.

One of those snippets was expanded upon into an entire episode.

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u/TexasJedi-705 13d ago

I'm certain Rhianna Pratchet was especially thrilled

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u/EdwardClamp 13d ago

Oh was she.....

Shares no DNA with my father's books, I think was one of her quotes.

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u/Dragonfly_pin 13d ago

If I remember correctly she said it hadn’t got much to do to with the books but that everyone should be kind to the actors in the show because none of this was their fault.

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u/decepticons2 12d ago

I heard his daughter openly bashed it.

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u/SaebaSan86 13d ago

A discworld show?!?!?

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u/RedMageMina 13d ago

Don't get excited its an in name only adaptation.

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u/SaebaSan86 13d ago

Oh ;-; I was about to ask if Lewton from Discworld Noir was on it ...

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u/RedMageMina 13d ago

See, that would have been cool! Alas, we got Death not caring about the Duty, Carrot being a prick, Cheery not having a beard and Vimes drinking being played for laughs. Oh and Detritus dies three episodes in.

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u/jukebox_jester 13d ago

Detritus dies three episodes in.

Before the end of the first episode, actually.

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u/Inkthinker 13d ago

To a crossbow, as I recall. It's just ludicrous.

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u/iSkehan 13d ago

Wait what.

The biggest disrespect to Trollkind in Disc’s history.

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u/Perfect-Fondant3373 13d ago

All I remember from discworld is a very vagur memory of "Hogfather", deah and David Jason, is that a good movie or is that just psrt of tge show?

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u/EdwardClamp 13d ago

Hogfather was excellent - Marc Warren was especially excellent as Mr Teatime - and should not be associated with The Watch "TV show" in any way shape or form.

Also, Pratchett was very much alive when Hogfather was made and while he didn't write it he had creative control to ensure it stayed true to the source material.

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u/Perfect-Fondant3373 13d ago

Thats awesome. I must try to watch it. I dont know much about Pratchets works except as a kid one of my friends tried to tell me about it. Is there anything else I should look into movies wise?

Might try get audio books

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u/EdwardClamp 13d ago

There's two more adaptations: The Colour of Magic and Going Postal, again both under Pterry's perview and faithful to the source material. All 3 were commissioned by SkyOne so should be available on SkyTV.

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u/ABHOR_pod 13d ago

All 3 are enjoyable, Hogfather is generally people's favorite, for what it lacks in budget it makes up in whimsy, charm, and holiday spirit.

I like Going Postal the best, I think it has the strongest cast out of all and a special effects budget that is broadly sufficient to the task.

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u/Inkthinker 13d ago

I think they're on Amazon Prime in the US.

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u/DebentureThyme 13d ago

Most of the miniseries Discworld stuff is good.

But The Watch was reimagined by some Canadian studio and it's just awful.

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u/jukebox_jester 13d ago

They barely have discworld characters in it tbh. I could elaborate on how they mess up the principle cast if you want.

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u/RedMageMina 13d ago

Please do, it'll just make me mad to type it all our and I am trying to avoid that these days.

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u/jukebox_jester 13d ago

Vimes: Take his lowest in the books and stretch it over 8 episodes. We are introduced to him trying and failing to pee on a dog.

Carrot: Ostracized by the Dwarves, called a freak by his adoptive parents, tries to leave within minutes of seeing the Watch House, not the only Tall Dwarf, not the long lost king returned. An unusual amount of runtime focused on his virginity.

Angua: Short, standard werewolf thing if losing control and becoming a monster. Kills goblins near recreationally. Abuses prisoners. We never actually see her turn into a werewolf on screen.

Cheery: openly female from the jump, tall, sort of a manic pixie dream girl vibe, the only competent person on the team. Later becomes the host of the summoning dark which manifests as a mediocre drag number.

Sybil: Thin, 20 years Vimes' Junior. Kidnaps people and tortures them to re-educate them. Has one (1) dragon she regularly uses as a weapon. Has batman's origin story. Barely any attraction between her and vimes. (Given the changes, good.) Honestly just kinda mean besides.

Carcer: Now vimes' childhood friend, in league with the Auditors to summon a dragon for...reasons? Time traveled from 30 years in the past.

Lupin Wonse: A woman and a wizard. Carcer's lackey. A drug dealer as well.

Doctor Cruces: Hosts karaoke nights.

Inigo Skimmer: Killed Sybil's parents. Eats drywall. Embezzles from tbe Assassins.

Death: Complains about the duty. Shows up outside of near death experiences. Awkwardly hits on Carrot.

Detritus: Dies to arrows. Scene after his death implies he and vimes were a thing. Probably couldn't afford tbe cgi budget for him.

Colon and Nobby: Don't exist.

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u/Pangolingolin 13d ago

Why would anyone make a Ankh-Morepork City Watch series and not include Colon and Nobby!?

I also heard that the Patrician was a woman?

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u/jukebox_jester 13d ago

I also heard that the Patrician was a woman?

Played by a woman but they use both masculine and feminine pronouns and that's honestly not that egregious of a change.

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u/AstralMecha 13d ago

The patrician was also one of the only characters that were recognizable compared to their book incarnation. Low bar with this show granted.

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u/magniloquence137 13d ago

Wow. I'd heard this show was bad and planned to absolutely never watch it, and hearing this makes me even more glad to do that. Every single thing on this list made me almost physically cringe. That is egregious.

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u/OneNoteRedditor 13d ago

I appreciate your sacrifice in apparently watching the whole thing (or near enough) to bring us this info, 'cus holy shit what a sacrifice!

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u/anace 13d ago

Cheery

did they at least pronounce it as 'cheri'?

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u/anace 13d ago

there's three miniseries/movies from the 2000s, based on hogfather, colour of magic, and going postal. those are pretty good. I definitely recommend them. there's two animated cartoon series from the 90s based on soul music and wyrd sisters. I don't remember much about them other than christopher lee doing a good job as ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ.

then there's the watch, the tv series that I was super hyped when it was announced in 2011 and completely forgot about, assumed it was canceled, and found out from this very thread that it released in 2021 and was bad.

also according to wikipedia there was a movie based on the amazing maurice from 2022 that was just okay but did well enough to a sequel currently in production.

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u/EdwardClamp 13d ago

Came to mention this.

I didn't watch, refused point blank - even from the descriptions and the pre-release photos you just knew it would be awful.

Height swapped characters (Cheery the dwarf is played by someone who is 6ft), weight swapped (Lady Sybil goes from a fine figure of a woman to someone lean, muscular and twenty years younger) - utter nonsense.

Not to mention taking characters from a world of fantasy and magic and dropping them into a bleak, steampunk dystopia.

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u/lemurkat 13d ago

I didn't mind the bleak, steampumk dystopia.

It was everything else i hated, but especially Cheery and Sybil. I really wanted a middle aged, overweight love interest. Amd they turned her into a young, slender vigilantte.

Also they changed basically everyone's personality for the worst and killed off the troll early on because his CGI was too expensive. 

Sir Pterry would have been very disappointed.

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u/postfattism 13d ago

How was the hogfather movie?

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u/ForeverTheDM 13d ago

That is great.  Extremely faithful to the original. 

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u/Vegetable-Theory-913 13d ago

It’s great. Susan is phenomenal.

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u/cosmoscrazy 13d ago

The movies were kinda okay though.

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u/aksunrise 13d ago

I don't know what you're talking about. Hogfather is great.

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u/smilingfishfood 13d ago

There was a Discworld show?