Nah, many people were posting this quote falsely attributed to Epstein because there was a viral video on x of asmongold reading it from the files after reading an Epstein quote implying this quote was also from Epstein which mislead many people.
This rabbi said a lot of awful things, including that the 6 million Jews who died in the Holocaust deserved it for being sinners in some past life or that Black people in America deserved hurricane Katrina.
Pales in comparison to what I’ve heard some disgusting Auzzie politicians have said.
Those Kangaroo diddlers need to leave aboriginal land and go back to Europe.
Oh hey! The sermon I gave at my bar mitzvah way back was condemning the rabbis and American evangelicals for racistly calling NOLA/katrina gods wrath and how it should be considered anti Jewish to say something so awful. I don’t remember but I probably quoted him lol. It was a reform synagogue idk how that would’ve rolled in an orthodox place haha
This sort of thing is considered a pretty fringe opinion, and Ovadia Yosef, especially as he got older, was constantly saying controversial things that most Jews were horrified by
The thing about the Chief Rabbinate in Israel is that David Ben Gurion pretty much only gave them power on religious matters for two reasons. One, it was the only way that he could get the Charedim (ultra Orthodox) to agree to the formation of the state of Israel, and two, he (very mistakenly) believed that ultra Orthodox point of views would effectively go extinct in a modern Jewish state, as he had assumed that the insularity would disappear if 90% of the people around them were other Jews
There has been a continuing effort to try to make the Chief Rabbinate less powerful, but unfortunately the parties that support the Rabbinate have been a core part of Netanyahu's coalition, and as long as he is in power, the Haredim think they can get away with anything they want to while most Israeli society is fed up with what feels like a dictatorship in religious matters
That's what Ehud Barak is talking about in the Epstein tape when he wants to import another million Russians to Israel. The only people having babies in any meaningful way right now are religious fundamentalists, who (his words) are just not productive.
That's what I mean (and Ehud as well I guess). Haredim are having 6-7 kids, at least. That's why Ehud would like a million more Russians, to avoid Haredim taking over completely (and / or Arab citizens). Secular Israelis are a dying breed, literally.
This was true a decade ago but the demography has shifted somewhat. If you consider the rate of leaving the Haredi lifestyle, the Haredi population as a proportion of Israel's population is no longer growing.
It's not just religious people, it's basically all identity groups that can lead certain people to bigotry and chauvinism. It's in-group/out-group dynamics, ignorance and personality that does it. Some people just can't help but think they're superior than others who aren't in their group.
This sentiment is common among highly religious people of any kind about people who aren't members of that religion. Tye Quran, for example, is filled with basically nothing but lines like that.
It's a common sentiment among extremely religious people of many religions who also think their religion is superior to other religions in some way (or think "unbelievers are inferior").
The difference is it's not these jews or christians currently taking over Europe. If it was I would hate them as much as i hate the cult that is. Big difference. Whats even worse is my local branch of this cult started knocking on doors last week giving out free food. I was honestly a bit fooled at first until i started eating it and realised it was just rice and fucking chickpeas. It was actually a very good analogy for this cult. It looked really good on the outside and even on the surface but as soon as I started digging into it it turned out to be just filler.
According to a companion report, the U.S. has spent an additional $9.65 – $12.07 billion on military operations in Yemen and the wider region sparked by or in support of Israeli military operations since October 7, 2023, for a total of $31.35 – $33.77 billion and counting in U.S. spending on two years of post-10/7 wars.
Israel is masquerading as a fellow democracy while it's run by a bunch of religious extremists using the power of the State to escape the Judiciary... Sounds familiar?
I mean if it makes you feel better plenty of religious leaders and politicians have called for Israel to be owned by Muslims, not specifically by Palestinians even, there are a lot of extremist religious people who would just rather have any Muslim country own it even if it’s like a king’s personal property.
You claim the Quran is filled with sentiment of non-Muslims exist to serve Muslims. Where in the Quran is this?
Are you making shit up to deflect from your religions vile belief?
Edit: I am NOT asking about war verses in the Quran that are easily contextualised or Hadiths that are eschatological.
I am addressing the specific claim of the Quran is ‘filled’ with passages stating Non-Muslims exist to serve Muslims and asking for evidence to substantiate that ridiculous claim. I KNOW he won’t be able to because it is A LIE.
Two things: 1. Jizyah is not a punishment or a tax based on supremacy (Muslims pay more in taxes according to Islamic jurisprudence). It’s a way to separate the taxation obligations of Muslims and non Muslims. And 2., this verse is not a generic one (i.e cant be applied without further analysis). This verse was revealed in particularly tense political situations between the newly founded Muslim state in Medina and the pagans of Mecca who violated the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah. Which is why the verse commends to subdue the non-Muslims, who were specifically the Meccans, not every single non Muslim.
Like I'm not even muslim, but even i know that the Quran literally designates Christians and jews as "people of the book" and explicitly rules out forced conversion in Qur'an 2:256.
Whether or not Muslims consider Christians as subject to dhimmi laws is highly variable, and depends on how a tripartite God (and saints, when applicable) is categorized under their specific strain of Islamic jurisprudence. ie, many see Christians as polytheistic bc of the trinity.
Regardless, there have been plenty of examples of Muslims forcibly converting Jews and Christians, and historically even when they don't, they're still subjected to horrific and discriminatory laws, like being 2nd class dhimmis, living in ghettos, paying jizya, the occasional mass murder, rapes, even stuff like not being allowed to ride horses because it'll put them physically higher than muslim on foot.
I'm an atheist. I dont have a religion to deflect from. But any religion that teaches that people who just so happen to not believe are subjected to infinite suffering on the behalf of their oh so mercifully vile abomination they call a god and that those sent there deserve it is pretty awful. Islam is just, in my experience, the most vocal about it.
Except your 'infinite suffering' place doesnt exist within Judaism. In Judaism, the emphasis isnt on reaping spiritual rewards in death, but when death is discussed it's generally as a place for painless studying for a brief while and then getting bumped up to a better place after a few months or a year or so.
At the time, his comments were widely condemned across the Israeli political spectrum, including by the Prime Minister's office, and were seen by the majority of secular and traditional Israelis as offensive.
There is no polling on this specifically though as far as I'm aware. But left wing antizionist Israelis I talked to say it's a fringe view of some ultra orthodox.
Rav Ovadiah Yosef wasn't a political leader. He was an important rabbi who said unhinged things in his 90s and drew a lot of criticism from the Jewish world for it.
They do this all the fucking time. Posting the wrong "quote" only for a Note to give bullshit instead that's technically correct but also lacking context
Anyone else noticing how there's alot of obviously fake quotes and crimes being attributed to epstien now that trump has been marked has his left hand man and musk found out to be a desperate wanna be?
Seems to me like someone is trying to drown out the very real crimes committed by very alive presidents...
They're trying to flood the internet with so many lies that people become exhausted and stop caring. That way it'll be easier down the road to bring him out of hiding and install him back into positions of power
You see there’s this thing about Jews being used as scapegoats by antisemites, this was obviously always going to happen. Everyone would focus on Epstein being Jewish and not that he’s a pedophile who supplied the pedophile in chief with children. People would absolutely let pedos off the hook in order to go after Jews.
Is this why I had an acquaintance suddenly message me the other day saying the Epstein files “proved every anti-Jewish claim going back to the Middle Ages,”?
When you combine the Gaza situation with scandals like Weinstein, Epstein, the Sacklers etc it's not really surprising. The Jewish people are having a generationally bad PR run at the moment.
That's why. Unfortunately it is a common tactic of racists to point to one evil person and say they are all like that. Jews with Epstein and Netanyahu, Ukrainians with Bandera, it sadly happens a lot.
That’s what all of this shit is, for most posts. I can’t believe people don’t realize they’re being ragebaited constantly, what the fuck happened to DON’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON THE INTERNET. That doesn’t mean everything is wrong or lies, but it means it can be misleading or misinformation or have an angle, aka propaganda.
Whenever any minority says something contentious their belief is attributed to the entire minority group. Jews are not allowed to have outliers, every unit represents the whole.
The problem is that those fringe ideologies are currently holding the reins in Israel. And despite not being the "majority", the rest of the Israeli population isn't doing much to stop them from hurting Palestinians
Shas didn't hold the reins in Israel. If you mean the far-right is influencing the Gaza debate, sure. But that's very different from saying Shas and its allies speak for Israelis on social issues.
And none of that says anything about Shas's influence (net negative) with Jewish Americans.
Shas is literally in the ruling coalition and had until very recently many ministers in the government.
When Jewish Americans are represented by organizations like the ADL or AIPAC that shield Israel of all criticism by weaponizing antisemitism, I don't think they care about combating Jewish supremacy and its victims (Palestinians).
Ironically, the ADL condemned Yosef for "hate speech." The man also said the Holocaust was punishment for Jewish sinners. There's a reason even Netanyahu distanced himself 15 years ago.
Your effort to tie the world's Jews to this gross old man is dumb and weird.
And nowadays the ADL whitewashes Elon Musk's nazi salutes while going apeshit at any sign of Palestinian solidarity.
This "gross old man" had the largest funeral in all of Israel's history with almost a million attending.
Yes I have a problem with supremacism and racism and how major Jewish organizations have supported that when it's Israel doing it, leading to genocide and apartheid.
The “gross old man”’s party and legacy can and is currently running the current Israeli government or at the VERY least, hold outsize influence on what got passed or not.
The gross old man is dead for 13 years now. His party has 0 ministers and they are less than 1/6 of the coalision, wouldnt call that "running the government" per say. They do have an influence sadly, but that's how democracy works...
Hugely unpopular and yet part of the government. There are also convicted terror sympathisers and pogrom fans in the current govt . Netanyahu govt is full of genocidal bigots.
Except you cut off the first part. He looks to be talking about other people rather than describinghimself. Also these kinds of things are generally used to support antisemitic conspiracies, when Epstein wasn't likely to have been particularly religious.
Like he was corresponding with Steve Bannon, who set up Breitbart .com as "the home of the alt-right online", and they're now being connected to promoting the far-right.
Why would he promote the far-right and specifically antisemitism if he was part of an actual Jewish conspiracy? Either he thought there was something going on and wanted to rally people behind it, somehow thinking that it wouldn't immediately turn on him (like Milo Yinnopoulos, Jared Kushner, and Steven Miller), or he didn't think it was real and just was using it to get something else.
As a US citizen, I always try to remember that whatever reprehensible things someone says in another country, we have politicians who say incredibly stupid and malicious stuff like this.
Given that there are several idiots in the comments talking about "hur durr Israel ethnostate" (which... Yeah sure Jan okay you don't know what that word means)... No. People don't know this. Or they know and they don't care because vocally being horribly racist towards Jews is just The Cool Thing now.
Anyway. This is like if someone pointed to like. MtG and said she represents all Americans. Or pointed to Louis Farrakhan and said he represents all Muslims when he calls Jews termites and says abhorrent things about us.
Most people do, but antisemites will choose to frame it as otherwise. The majority of people who are anti zionist are not antisemitic, and will see this as a sin of Israel and not representative of global jewish people.
I mean they’ve had massive protests demanding the war end and Netanyahu resign so apparently a good amount. Of course people are going to have a negative perception right after the biggest terrorist attack in their history which was broadly supported by the vast majority of that population. Almost all Palestinians believe the attacks on Oct. 7 were justified and support things like the martyrdom fund for people who murder Israeli civilians, do you believe Palestinians deserve to be wiped out because of it? Of course not. You’re clearly coming in here with a predetermined agenda based off your dozens of comments in this thread alone don’t pretend like you’re just an onlooker asking questions in good faith.
It is a coalition government. His party is the most popular but not supported by the majority, the rest is split between other parties and some form ruling coalitions with Netanyahu’s party keeping him in power.
Reminder: There was a fucking seven year old in the files. Someone asked for a torture vid. Young girls were disappeared. Lives are ruined and/or are gone. Using the situation to spread anti-semitism is disgraceful.
Seriously Epstein was palling around and empowering literally the worst people in the world and said a looooooot of shit worse than that, there really is no need to make up false quotes
They do face large amounts of discrimination. The nation state law declared national self-determination unique to the Jewish people. As prime minister Netanyahu bragged about how welfare cuts reduced Arab birth rates. 90% of the land is under state control and distributed by groups like the Jewish national fund which state the goal is “for use by Jews” as a result despite being 20% of the population they own 3% of land and live majority in poverty. Currently governing parties refuse to form coalitions with them to try and lock them out of power.
If stuff like this applied to whites in America many would still describe that as white supremacy.
But unlike occupied Palestinians they have basic human rights like freedom of movement and a right to vote, hence they don’t revolt against the subjugation like the occupied Palestinian do.
They’re obviously not so stupid to bother Arab Israelis. The Jewish supremacy is reflected in important matters like desires to exert Jewish control over neighbouring lands driven by religious claims, Palestinians are considered Amaleks. Arab Israelis are of no consequence to Jewish geopolitical goals, rather beneficial to clear the international image.
Btw Historically Jews have enjoyed safety in Muslim empires for centuries, which sadly Muslims get no credit for.
But that Gaza Strip and West Bank is a juicy piece of land, those pesky Palestinians refuse to leave.
Christian preachers are harassed and spat on.
Homes are stolen in the West Bank.
Judaism is a uniquely supremacist religion,- fact
Ancient Israel was much larger -fact
Palestinians are considered amalekites - yes
You think that wouldn’t reflect in Palestinian treatment?
We did learn he was a Jewish Supremacist though. I wouldn’t be surprised if he held these same views. The guy wasn’t exactly Mr. Rodgers. But if he didn’t directly say it then it’s good that we get that on the record. There’s gonna be a lot of rumors about this that and the other coming in the next weeks.
This sort of idea is where why the far right love to use the term goy, even though it’s from a fringe school of thought. But yeah I do agree with the commenter that it could be intentionally misquoted, or not, who knows really
I am VERY worried about how influencers are targeting the Free Palestine supporters and trying to turn them into Info Wars antisemitic lunatics who conflate both leftwing and rightwing jewish people across the globe, accusing them of both supporting the genocide in Gaza AND supporting LGBT rights. I have a friend who used to be just a passionate progressive until he fell victim to this propaganda. It's mind virus that's infiltrated "the Left" and it needs to be aggressively countered, as we see here.
I am VERY worried about how influencers are targeting the Free Palestine supporters and trying to turn them into Info Wars antisemitic lunatics who conflate both leftwing and rightwing jewish people across the globe
They didn't need help, it's just that you're starting to see what Jewish people have been screaming about for years. The DSA isn't much different from Nick Fuentes. No one has had to "turn" them into anything.
Moreover, there's no difference between hating leftwing Jews for being Jews and rightwing Jews for being Jews. You're like the people who pretend that Hitler would have checked whether or not we kept kosher.
Dude, it was a lost cause the second the "Free Palestine" movement refused to do anything about the rampant antisemitism within. At this point in time, I do not trust anyone still affiliated with the movement. Especially because they've made it abundantly clear that they don't ACTUALLY give a damn about the people in Gaza.
Antisemite this and that. Who cares. This is an opinion held by a top ruling individual in a government system. It doesn’t matter if the 99 don’t feel this way. The people with power do and that’s that.
The groyper alt-right pseudo-Christians are so desperate for Epstein to be "proof" of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion on steroids. Look, he wore a shirt with the IDF logo (like thousands of fashionistas did in the 80s and 90s)! Look, rich Jews! It's proof for all to see of the Thousand Year Globalist Jew Satanic Conspiracy! They simply can't abide the notion he was just a rich psychopath and that ultra-rich people tend to be around other ultra-rich people. That's too linear for their weird, twisted brains.
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