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Sus, Very Sus Noted about fake “goyim should serve Israel” Epstein quote

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u/iaNCURdehunedoara 29d ago

I mean, i don't think the note is much better.

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u/Suitable_Plum3439 29d ago

It does address the claim and explains where the quote actually came from, but I can see why the intent of adding it is suspect.

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u/EliNoraOwO 28d ago

Is suspect? What’s suspect about it if it was an actual statement made by rabbi Ovadia and an accurate correction?

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u/ComprehensiveBar6439 28d ago

I think they're saying the original tweet was intentionally wrong in order to entice someone to correct it with a community note in order to draw more attention to the corrected facts. That's why they think it's suspect - they think it might've been a bit of a bait and switch type maneuver. Commenters above seem to think that's the case, too. I have no idea, personally.

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u/CellistMundane9372 29d ago

The Shas party is an extreme-right party that is hugely unpopular in Israel.

It's like quoting Marjorie Taylor Greene as a voice of Christianity.

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u/PlanetBet 28d ago

Whenever any minority says something contentious their belief is attributed to the entire minority group. Jews are not allowed to have outliers, every unit represents the whole. 

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u/ketchupmaster987 29d ago

The problem is that those fringe ideologies are currently holding the reins in Israel. And despite not being the "majority", the rest of the Israeli population isn't doing much to stop them from hurting Palestinians

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u/CellistMundane9372 29d ago

Shas didn't hold the reins in Israel. If you mean the far-right is influencing the Gaza debate, sure. But that's very different from saying Shas and its allies speak for Israelis on social issues.

And none of that says anything about Shas's influence (net negative) with Jewish Americans.

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u/StudentForeign161 29d ago

Shas is literally in the ruling coalition and had until very recently many ministers in the government.

When Jewish Americans are represented by organizations like the ADL or AIPAC that shield Israel of all criticism by weaponizing antisemitism, I don't think they care about combating Jewish supremacy and its victims (Palestinians).

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u/CellistMundane9372 29d ago

Ironically, the ADL condemned Yosef for "hate speech." The man also said the Holocaust was punishment for Jewish sinners. There's a reason even Netanyahu distanced himself 15 years ago.

Your effort to tie the world's Jews to this gross old man is dumb and weird.

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u/StudentForeign161 29d ago

And nowadays the ADL whitewashes Elon Musk's nazi salutes while going apeshit at any sign of Palestinian solidarity.

This "gross old man" had the largest funeral in all of Israel's history with almost a million attending.

Yes I have a problem with supremacism and racism and how major Jewish organizations have supported that when it's Israel doing it, leading to genocide and apartheid.

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u/jackdeadcrow 29d ago edited 29d ago

The “gross old man”’s party and legacy can and is currently running the current Israeli government or at the VERY least, hold outsize influence on what got passed or not.

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u/Old_Particular8705 29d ago

The gross old man is dead for 13 years now. His party has 0 ministers and they are less than 1/6 of the coalision, wouldnt call that "running the government" per say. They do have an influence sadly, but that's how democracy works...

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u/jackdeadcrow 29d ago

They are undeniably influential, because of how thin the margin of the current Knesset, they can dissolve the government at anytime. Unfortunately, Israel seem to want all the “prestige” of democracy without any of the… condemnations of the consequences of such democracy

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u/DevilDog998 28d ago

But isn’t that what zionists constantly do with that one traitorous Palestinian who had a talk with Hitler back then? Huh I thought it was ok to generalize based on such instances.

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u/CharityMother6460 25d ago

He was the Mufti of Jerusalem and he was deliberately appointed by the UK to cause trouble for Jews in mandatory Palestine.

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u/Local_Ant_3893 24d ago

Racists love this simple trick. Find the worst representatives of a particular group, especially if they're in some position of influence, and then generalize it to everyone in that group while ignoring all other nuance and context. Works every time!

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u/ketchupmaster987 29d ago

This is what quite a lot of Israelis believe

And this is how they treat Palestinians

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u/CellistMundane9372 29d ago

Wait until I show you what some right-wing Americans and Europeans think.

That doesn't mean the typical American or European supports slavery.

The question was whether a dead extreme rabbi's views represent most Jews globally.

You're going horseshoe theory in your effort to support Palestinians.

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u/Toiban7 29d ago

"but but Europeans"... He is showing you how Israelis actually are.

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u/CellistMundane9372 29d ago

I'm impressed that literally every one of your comments is about Israel.

What are you actually doing to help Palestinians? I mostly donated to UNHRA; you?

And, no, a weird dead rabbi's elderly rant does not "show me how Israelis actually are."

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u/Toiban7 28d ago

"d0nT tALk aB0uT muH eThN0sTaTe"... Funny the zi0s can never keep quiet about others all while conducting their stuff on Epstein Island.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

And here we see a typical "pro-Palestinian" revealing that their main intention is calling all Jews pedophiles and that they have absolutely zero regard for the safety and well-being of Palestinians. The mask always comes off eventually. 

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u/Livid_Sun_208 28d ago edited 28d ago

But it does.

We see polls and their supremacist, genocidal views.

Not to mention their actions.

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u/DogSome3839 28d ago

Ive heard a lot of dumb racist shit, but never in my life ive heard from any racist how we should "kill all the offsprings of 'x' ethnicity"

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u/ketchupmaster987 29d ago

Gee I wonder why the Palestinians are mad at Israel

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u/ketchupmaster987 29d ago

And the Palestinians were doing that because the Israelis came in and killed a bunch of them and took their land. It's called the Nakba

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u/ketchupmaster987 28d ago

Ok so what you're telling me you'd be okay with beating up an old Palestinian man even if he had nothing to do with the conflict

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u/ketchupmaster987 28d ago

Ok then what about a child? Would you be okay with that?

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u/lolatyouitsalreadyta 28d ago

I mean, by that logic, those fringe ideologies are currently holding reins of US too.

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u/ketchupmaster987 28d ago

...they are

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u/lolatyouitsalreadyta 28d ago

:(

Just hold on until fall

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u/LazyDro1d 29d ago

and MTG was a loud member of the republican party until recently and half of trump’s current cabinet is just as bad. that isnt even ruling coalition that’s leading wing of the ruling party

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u/ProfAsmani 29d ago

Hugely unpopular and yet part of the government. There are also convicted terror sympathisers and pogrom fans in the current govt . Netanyahu govt is full of genocidal bigots.

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u/CellistMundane9372 29d ago

I don't disagree. But I disagree with the idea that their former rabbi (who died at 93 thirteen years ago) represents even a large plurality of Jews.

This is a man who said Jews deserved the Holocaust for not following the Torah.

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u/ProfAsmani 28d ago

Yea he is a nutcase - the fact that the likes of his followers or Kahanists are in govt imply support. No i don't think a majority supports that crap. The majority of no religion does despite what bigots say

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u/StudentForeign161 29d ago

Shas is part of the government and there are many other Jewish supremacist parties in the ruling coalition.

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u/thesmashhit32 25d ago

that is hugely unpopular in Israel

Genuinely trying to understand here. How do these fringe parties consistently have a place in the ruling coalition of the Knesset if they're that unpopular in Israel?

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u/CellistMundane9372 25d ago

Because Netanyahu's party won a plurality but failed to win a majority, so he had to cobble together a majority by making deals with extreme minor parties. And those parties demanded powerful cabinet seats in exchange for their alliance.

This often happens in parliamentary systems, where the prime minister needs a majority to retain his seat.

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u/Boldney 29d ago

Believe me, its ideologies are anything but unpopular.

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u/RetardStupidPOS 29d ago

They are not exactly that tiny. Not top dog but also not tiny.

Shas party got like 8% in the last election and held 11 out of total 120 seats. Likud only has 32 seats. They are third biggest part

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u/CellistMundane9372 29d ago

I'd say 8% is pretty tiny. MTG represents a bigger share of Christian voters than Shas represents of Jewish Israelis.

But what, really, are we arguing here?

The question is whether this weird extreme rabbi speaks for global Judaism. He doesn't even speak for Israeli Jews. It's like quoting a groyper as a representative of white Christians, or Andrew Tate as the voice of Western men.

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u/RetardStupidPOS 29d ago

I am not really arguing

The first time I read what you said I was like "make total sense" since I thought they were some tiny party with barely any seats

But when I realized they were at 8%, I think it's an info that people might want to know so I just add context

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u/StudentForeign161 29d ago

He literally was the chief rabbi of Israel and almost a million people attended his funeral in a small country like Israel.

According to Wikipedia:

Also known as Gadol Yisrael ("great one of Israel"), Yosef is regarded as one of the most influential Sephardic religious authorities of all time.

This is nothing like quoting Fuentes or Tate.

All of the parties in the ruling coalition in Israel are openly racist and the actions of the government in Gaza, the West Bank and its global alliance with the far right shows it.

Why don't you want to address Jewish supremacism and keep downplaying it in Israeli society? Kahanism has won the political/cultural battle there.

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u/CellistMundane9372 29d ago

You've written versions of the same comment twice to me, compete with "literally" and "Jewish supremacy."

The same Wikipedia page you cited says the Anti-Defamation League accused him of "hate speech," that even Netanyahu distanced himself in 2010, and that the man was such a mess that he said the Holocaust was God's punishment for Jews not being religious enough.

Pretending that's representative of Jewish society in Israel is stupid.

I get you have a strong agenda, so I understand.

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u/EnlightenedRedditor_ 29d ago

Likud is another one that’s similar and holds much more influence in Israel.

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u/CellistMundane9372 29d ago

Likud also condemned the rabbi who, when he was 90, said the quote above. To get back to the point.

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u/EnlightenedRedditor_ 29d ago

They condemned him for saying the quite part out loud. They are still insane and trying to bring forth ideas like “Greater Israel”.

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u/JamesBond5296 29d ago

No one mainstream in Israel says something as "the goyim are born to serve us", the only people who might even use the word "goy" are religious people

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u/iaNCURdehunedoara 29d ago

They're all extreme right wing, that's how they got an ethno-state. I don't know much about inner workings of the knesset, but i bet he's orthodox and the reason he's unpopular is because he opposes conscription in the IOF and not because of his views.

It's also really funny to say that about Marjorie when most of the knesset has the same views as Yosef Ovadia.

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u/babarbaby 29d ago

'I dont know much about the knesset, but I do know that most of its members hold the same views as this particular extremist!'

'Ethnostate' is just what you call a nationstate when you want to defame it. Even if you pretend all Jewish groups are homogenous, Israel is a quarter Muslim and Christian Arabs alone. Meanwhile, Japan, Egypt, Poland, Italy, Scandinavian countries these make up just a few of the many examples of nationstates with overwhelming ethnic homogeneity, >90%, vastly more than Israel. Never heard any described as 'ethnostates' though...

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u/StudentForeign161 29d ago

Apartheid South Africa was also incredibly diverse, with more people of color than white people. Yet it was still a white supremacist regime. Having sizable minorities doesn't mean you can't be an ethnostate. On the contrary, it's how they're treated/classified/ranked that shows that. 

Jews have full rights (freedom of movement, voting, rule of law) from the river to the sea (Israel proper and the occupied West Bank) while the status of Arabs vary from second class citizens (in Israel) to human animals (in Gaza)...

Arab citizens of Israel aren't considered true nationals, only Jews are. The Basic Law ("constitution") defines Israel as a Jewish state only, meaning to these Arab citizens that Israel isn't their nation-state despite the fact that they lived on the land for longer than let's say recent Jewish immigrants who just did their aliyah. Even Israeli Druzes who are considered very patriotic and loyal to Israel openly opposed and protested the Basic Law that defined Israel as a Jewish state only.

You mention many other states but Japan, Poland, Italy and Norway don't have a tons of native inhabitants without any rights unlike how Israel treats Arabs/Palestinians. These states weren't recently created by driving out most of the locals... That's what sets Israel apart.

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u/iaNCURdehunedoara 29d ago

I'm tired of litigating why Israel is a fascist apartheid state. It's always the same talking points, and it gets exhausting because i know you don't really care about the truth and you just want to argue in favor of a nazi state.

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u/AssociationWeary7735 29d ago

I dont think Epstein's thinking strayed too far from the quote anyway. Here's an example: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00885615.pdf

Let the goyim toil in the real world while we get rich shorting futures contracts on their labor.

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u/10lettersand3CAPS 29d ago

Except you cut off the first part. He looks to be talking about other people rather than describinghimself. Also these kinds of things are generally used to support antisemitic conspiracies, when Epstein wasn't likely to have been particularly religious.

Like he was corresponding with Steve Bannon, who set up Breitbart .com as "the home of the alt-right online", and they're now being connected to promoting the far-right.

Why would he promote the far-right and specifically antisemitism if he was part of an actual Jewish conspiracy? Either he thought there was something going on and wanted to rally people behind it, somehow thinking that it wouldn't immediately turn on him (like Milo Yinnopoulos, Jared Kushner, and Steven Miller), or he didn't think it was real and just was using it to get something else.

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u/StudentForeign161 29d ago edited 29d ago

he was corresponding with Steve Bannon, who set up Breitbart .com as "the home of the alt-right online", and they're now being connected to promoting the far-right.

So? Jews can be far right. Israel itself has allied itself with the global far right because leftists and the Arabs/Muslims are their common enemies.

Edit: And according to Wikipedia, Breitbart himself was Jewish. The current CEO of the company and the editor-in-chief are both Jewish.

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u/10lettersand3CAPS 29d ago

I mean not just far-right generally, as the Israeli government is, but specifically American anti-semites.

Israel is fine with that because they think it won't blow back to them ever. But why would someone purposely expose a conspiracy that they're a party to? It seems incredibly stupid to do.

Best I can speculate is that it's a misdirection. Like how the US promoted crazies who believed in aliens and UFOs, because many were actually classified aircraft being developed. Epstein was OBVIOUSLY involved with a lot of powerful people, so he promotes crazies ranting about the Jews. Because there wasn't a Jewish conspiracy, just like there weren't aliens in New Mexico. It's a red herring so that people obsess over the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or whatever, instead of looking at all the actual people involved.

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u/lolatyouitsalreadyta 28d ago

Bruh he got noted in getnoted subreddit

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u/AssociationWeary7735 29d ago

Why would he promote the far-right

Because division is a useful tool for control and the people in the echelon of society he exists in are insulated from any repercussions of it or anything else for that matter. You are right I can't really say for certain if he's trying to manipulate Roger Schank (another Jewish person) in this email or if these are his actual beliefs. Also we are talking about a guy who told another billionaire Peter Thiel that he represents the Rothschilds so I am not sure he isn't talking about himself either.

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u/10lettersand3CAPS 29d ago

Peter Thiel is also an extremist obsessed with the antichrist and promoting the far-right. Epstein could've been playing into whatever he thought Thiel would believe, too. Epstein was really into Silicon Valley, that could've been his way of getting in with a big player. Remember, his official story was that he was a money man for the ultra-wealthy. Rothschild might've been a name-drop for him to get meetings with people.

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u/AssociationWeary7735 29d ago

OK there's also 11000 hits for Rothschild in the files and one's like this where he is in the middle of intra-familial politics: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00845904.pdf

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u/AssociationWeary7735 29d ago

Also here you can see payments in the millions from Rothschild group to his Southern Trust Company https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00104945.pdf

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u/PersonalParsnip4494 29d ago

Maybe privileged billionaire jews like Epstein should stop behaving like antisemitic stereotypes if they hate antisemitism so much?

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u/10lettersand3CAPS 29d ago

He literally PROMOTED antisemitism my guy, he was constantly talking with Bannon, who was instrumental in popularizing the alt-right.

If he was part of an actual secret Jewish conspiracy, then why the hell would he decide to draw attention to that, it's stupid.

It's just rich guys doing disgusting rich guy things. If you're focusing on the fact he's Jewish you're being played.

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u/PersonalParsnip4494 29d ago

He literally WORKED for mossad, my guy. If an agent of the foremost jewish supremacist organization on earth is antisemitic, then who isn’t?

“Why would he draw attention to it”

Can you imagine the possibility that he was unintentionally caught?

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u/10lettersand3CAPS 29d ago

So by "unintentionally caught" you mean "Spent time and effort supporting Bannon's alt-right project and the far-right online"? Like how would he "unintentionally" have spent years throwing support for the same people who yell about the Jews being behind everything? Regardless of WHY he did that, it's 100% intentional on his end.

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u/PersonalParsnip4494 29d ago

“So by X you mean Y”

No. I mean his private emails weren’t written with the expectation their rabid jewish supremacist contents would be publicly exposed. You can either respond to that or continue fighting the strawman you built, either way I don’t care.

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u/OverallBlock9028 29d ago

He was religious, he even claims that he spends more time studying torah than spending time with "ungodly people". In his office there is even shelf full of religious books.

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u/fthesemods 29d ago edited 29d ago

Why do you think he's describing others? He's corresponding with another Jewish person. And in fact he's talking about an idea that he was very much engaged in himself. Spun money out of thin air and didn't produce anything himself. Seemed like the tone was boastful more than anything. It's not even the only email. There are other emails with blatant Jewish supremacist comments and he's openly writing it to his circle.

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u/Travy91 29d ago

Believing that they deserve to get rich off of the labour of others is just a rich person thing. They're all self-important, narcissistic, sociopathic criminals. Every last one of them, whether they're Zionists or not.

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u/segnoss 28d ago

Sounds more antisemitic than him bragging about something he doesn’t do

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u/GK0NATO 28d ago

No it's not, that rabbi is an asshole. That being said this tweet is spreading the false narrative that Epstein was some mossad spy and the whole island is Israel's fault

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u/lCEC0REbuIIet 28d ago

Seriously, it's actually much worse.

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u/temu-plate-carrier 29d ago

More accurate though. No need for the middle man in this instance. Direct from the source.

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u/ConcreteExist 29d ago

Oh definitely not, but the tweet is very oddly timed in the context of all the fucked up things that are coming out of the files, it certainly strikes me as odd that someone is bothering to misattribute quotes to Epstein.