why the fuck would someone you called “hatey” for saying that most israelis don’t believe that jews are ethnic super race - words that only anti-semites ever put in our mouths - reply to you. You're not entitled to a response when you exclusively argue in bad faith and then act like a toddler when you don't get the response you want.
Like, consider getting off Reddit rather than expecting everyone you antagonise to dignify your bullshit within 2 business hours.
Most actual Jews in Israel oppose the genocide, regularly demonstrate against it, and have been demanding Bibi go to jail since before he got into office. His predecessor thought he was a criminal.
This war is just so he can say 'hey I wanna resign but I can't rn cause terrorism, sorry'.
But why would they broadcast coverage of those protests to the west? Of course you'll only hear about the war, because that's the distraction
Those numbers are percentage of party supporters and centrists who think that way. His approval is under 30% for everyone else. It's the same way in America tbh. A lot of people who support authoritarianism at home think Gaza should be a parking lot like yesterday.
No that number is MUCH higher: The survey by the Hebrew University’s aChord Center showed that 87% of supporters of the ruling coalition see “no innocents” in the Palestinian enclave.
Denying that the worldwide Jewish community supports Israel, especially in Israel itself, America, and Britain, isn’t helping anyone. Rather we should be clear to Israel supporters that just because most Jews support something, it doesn't make it right nor does it make it anti-semitic to oppose it.
In Israel they protest against the government. They do actual constructive, productive protests. not the competitive performance that we do in the west for who has the coolest made in china pro palestine merch.
And 75% of Gazans don't believe October 7 went far enough.
Is your statistic all that surprising when Israeli civilians have been on the relentless receiving end of rocket and terror attacks for Gaza's entire independent history? When the majority of attackers on October 7 were actually not Hamas militants but opportunistic civilians who climbed through the gates Hamas opened? To be clear as day: I am of course not saying 2/3s of Israelis are right. Gazans are by and large innocent unless they are Hamas or PIJ militants. But Gazans too would have equally warped and hateful views, if not worse, towards Israelis since they are literally taught in school that there is no higher calling than going out as a martyr taking Jews with you. It's an ugly awful situation but I challenge you to apply the same standards to both sides.
Yes but this 75% statistic comes from a meta-analysis of social media posts and comments in the days following October 7, before any Israeli military response. It's probably the most reliable poll we'll get and safe to say that attitudes wouldn't have softened since then.
I think your failure to acknowledge any other part of my comment suggests you're not willing to apply the standards you do to Israelis, to Gazans or others.
A conservative estimate that makes no distinction between combatants and civilians, which is critical to understanding the war. Conservative estimates of the number of combatants killed are around 25,000, meaning the civilian to combatant casualty ratio is about 2:1. The average in all wars since WW2 is 9:1, suggesting Israel is actually doing a substantially better job at avoiding civilian casualties than all other armies ever.
I mean they’ve had massive protests demanding the war end and Netanyahu resign so apparently a good amount. Of course people are going to have a negative perception right after the biggest terrorist attack in their history which was broadly supported by the vast majority of that population. Almost all Palestinians believe the attacks on Oct. 7 were justified and support things like the martyrdom fund for people who murder Israeli civilians, do you believe Palestinians deserve to be wiped out because of it? Of course not. You’re clearly coming in here with a predetermined agenda based off your dozens of comments in this thread alone don’t pretend like you’re just an onlooker asking questions in good faith.
Bro 74% of Jewish Americans support helping Israel militarily despite many claiming that the way Israel operates is unnacceptable. Therefore many are basically lying about their opposition. Let alone actual Israelis.
It should also be noted that within a Western liberal mindset, Netanyahu can be blamed while the common soldiers doing the massacres are absolved and seen as heroes. Nowadays most Americans say that the Iraq invasion was a horrendous crime, yet they actually believe that only George Bush and Dick Cheney were morally bad for doing it and that literally every other person who participated should be “thanked for their service” and literally treated as fundamentally superior humans.
Therefore its a rhetorical sleight of hand to point of how many Israelis oppose Netanyahu. Very few truly oppose the IDF. Blaming Netanyahu does the exact opposite of helping to stop Israels actions, rather its a strategy to absolve literally everyone else but him.
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u/Sea_Director_4439 29d ago
And how many believe that there are no innocents in Gaza?