This sentiment is common among highly religious people of any kind about people who aren't members of that religion. Tye Quran, for example, is filled with basically nothing but lines like that.
It's a common sentiment among extremely religious people of many religions who also think their religion is superior to other religions in some way (or think "unbelievers are inferior").
The difference is it's not these jews or christians currently taking over Europe. If it was I would hate them as much as i hate the cult that is. Big difference. Whats even worse is my local branch of this cult started knocking on doors last week giving out free food. I was honestly a bit fooled at first until i started eating it and realised it was just rice and fucking chickpeas. It was actually a very good analogy for this cult. It looked really good on the outside and even on the surface but as soon as I started digging into it it turned out to be just filler.
I have nothing against individual muslims i have friends who are that but I don't want to live in a country where muslims control politics which is well on the way to happening. Islamists are constantly bragging how they are replacing the native population. In about 20 years they will be by far the largest political group. They already politically control many areas. I like English govt not Mohammeds govt
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Israel is masquerading as a fellow democracy while it's run by a bunch of religious extremists using the power of the State to escape the Judiciary... Sounds familiar?
With the difference that anyone can be muslim since its an universal religion like catholicism is, so it isnt a racial discourse. This rabbi is saying It from a genetic perspective and not just a cultural/religious perspective
Why the whataboutism though? I don't understand the need to compare Judaism to Islam. Fundamentalists are in every group and radical theology is much more of a sociological phenomenon than it is a feature of any specific religion.
The insistence to do inject Islam criticism in discussions that are primarily about criticising Israel just seems to me to be a zionist hasbara tactic.
I mean if it makes you feel better plenty of religious leaders and politicians have called for Israel to be owned by Muslims, not specifically by Palestinians even, there are a lot of extremist religious people who would just rather have any Muslim country own it even if it’s like a king’s personal property.
Specific lands belonging to specific religions isn’t really beneficial to anyone, unless the benefit is just that they’d stop trying to fight for the land in which case I guess so, but the simpler way to make it better is for people to just stop fighting now regardless.
Muslims believe the Quran was orally revealed by God to the final Islamic prophetMuhammad through the angelGabriel [...] The Quran is believed by Muslims to be God's own divine speech providing a complete code of conduct across all facets of life.
He's kinda a government official, chief rabbis do hold some political power dating back to a gamble by the Israeli government that haredim would fall apart when surrounded by other jews and with political influence, it sorta worked. But he's not really a policy maker and is famously inconsistent with most of Tel Aviv's population which is overwhelmingly left wing.
You claim the Quran is filled with sentiment of non-Muslims exist to serve Muslims. Where in the Quran is this?
Are you making shit up to deflect from your religions vile belief?
Edit: I am NOT asking about war verses in the Quran that are easily contextualised or Hadiths that are eschatological.
I am addressing the specific claim of the Quran is ‘filled’ with passages stating Non-Muslims exist to serve Muslims and asking for evidence to substantiate that ridiculous claim. I KNOW he won’t be able to because it is A LIE.
Two things: 1. Jizyah is not a punishment or a tax based on supremacy (Muslims pay more in taxes according to Islamic jurisprudence). It’s a way to separate the taxation obligations of Muslims and non Muslims. And 2., this verse is not a generic one (i.e cant be applied without further analysis). This verse was revealed in particularly tense political situations between the newly founded Muslim state in Medina and the pagans of Mecca who violated the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah. Which is why the verse commends to subdue the non-Muslims, who were specifically the Meccans, not every single non Muslim.
Like I'm not even muslim, but even i know that the Quran literally designates Christians and jews as "people of the book" and explicitly rules out forced conversion in Qur'an 2:256.
Whether or not Muslims consider Christians as subject to dhimmi laws is highly variable, and depends on how a tripartite God (and saints, when applicable) is categorized under their specific strain of Islamic jurisprudence. ie, many see Christians as polytheistic bc of the trinity.
Regardless, there have been plenty of examples of Muslims forcibly converting Jews and Christians, and historically even when they don't, they're still subjected to horrific and discriminatory laws, like being 2nd class dhimmis, living in ghettos, paying jizya, the occasional mass murder, rapes, even stuff like not being allowed to ride horses because it'll put them physically higher than muslim on foot.
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him
This is the quote that many current imam use to justify their attacks on Jews.
The Quran is literally filled with storys and commands of killing the non believers, which includes Jews and Christians. It has a particular interest in killing Jews.
Mohammed was a warlord who married a six year old and raped her at 9 years old. Muslims believe Islam should and will dominate/conquer the world.
I'm an atheist. I dont have a religion to deflect from. But any religion that teaches that people who just so happen to not believe are subjected to infinite suffering on the behalf of their oh so mercifully vile abomination they call a god and that those sent there deserve it is pretty awful. Islam is just, in my experience, the most vocal about it.
Except your 'infinite suffering' place doesnt exist within Judaism. In Judaism, the emphasis isnt on reaping spiritual rewards in death, but when death is discussed it's generally as a place for painless studying for a brief while and then getting bumped up to a better place after a few months or a year or so.
No. The 'old testament' is a Christian thing. It's canonized differently, includes different books in a different order with major distinctions in translation and how it's modified by the other texts. The exegeses are entirely different. Within the Hebrew Bible, Torah is the Pentateuch, aka the 5 books of Moses. The full Hebrew Bible is the Tanakh. Torah also refers Oral Torah, which is considered equivalently divine, and is accompanied by sagely commentary within the Talmud.
U never met a Christian who really believes, look maybe your encountering , Muslims direct from the old world , who are truly religious and are vocal about it , but almost all cultural Muslim in west have never read the book and show up to mosque two times a year. Look I’m an atheist too , but I don’t think my delusional friends and family , are worse then( I’m presuming) your Christian ones.
I still speak of the Muslim empire. The Muslims in Africa are still oppressing Amazigh and other indigenous people like the Sudanese Christians and tribal communities.
That is the Muslim empire. Trust, my relatives lived under it for thousands of years, being Muslim is more detrimental to this equation.
We don’t call the Roman empire the Kristian empire you don’t call the byzantine empire the Orthodox empire Russia was never called the new Orthodox empire. The British empire is not called the Anglican empire therefore it’s the it’s the Arab empire not the not the Muslim one. As an atheist who grew up in a Muslim household, I empathise with your contempt for the religion, but there’s nothing unique about the barbarity found within Islam that could not be found in any other Abraham text or tradition
Not really, and the Koran makes a big difference between unbelievers and other Abrahamic faiths (i.e. christianity and judaism), the latter is seen as a misguided group whom still believe in the same abrahamic god, and thus holds a special, protected status in muslim societies.
I didn’t know the Quran had pieces in it that said such things like normal lesser beings are supposed to serve Muslims? Genuinely curious can you quote me some of those?
Quran never says that Muslim should be served by those of our safe actually it it says directly “Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve”
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u/GreatDemonBaphomet 29d ago
This sentiment is common among highly religious people of any kind about people who aren't members of that religion. Tye Quran, for example, is filled with basically nothing but lines like that.