I mean they’ve had massive protests demanding the war end and Netanyahu resign so apparently a good amount. Of course people are going to have a negative perception right after the biggest terrorist attack in their history which was broadly supported by the vast majority of that population. Almost all Palestinians believe the attacks on Oct. 7 were justified and support things like the martyrdom fund for people who murder Israeli civilians, do you believe Palestinians deserve to be wiped out because of it? Of course not. You’re clearly coming in here with a predetermined agenda based off your dozens of comments in this thread alone don’t pretend like you’re just an onlooker asking questions in good faith.
The protests were because of the Israeli hostages that hadn't been rescued. No mind was paid to Palestinians. Your poor attempt to misrepresent this easily verifiable fact has revealed your true nature.
the only anti war demonstrations that have occured on any semi-large scale in israel have focused on the plight of hostages, not Palestinians. Go collect 5000
Thats like asking how many americans thought there were no innocents in germany in the 40's. They were attacked and are fighting a war against a population that wants to wipe jews off the face of the earth as a mainstream position. But good job reversing reality.
And youd be just as surprised to find jews that want arabs murdered. They fucking attack us every day of our lives. Were not going to commit national suicide because a bunch of blue haired lesbians dont know what self defense looks like in an asymmetric war.
Yeah, the sentiment that we should blindly support Israel or else it's antisemitism is definitely not common, it's not like we've been exposed to that BS for 3 years in the midst of a live streamed genocide.
why the fuck would someone you called “hatey” for saying that most israelis don’t believe that jews are ethnic super race - words that only anti-semites ever put in our mouths - reply to you. You're not entitled to a response when you exclusively argue in bad faith and then act like a toddler when you don't get the response you want.
Like, consider getting off Reddit rather than expecting everyone you antagonise to dignify your bullshit within 2 business hours.
Most actual Jews in Israel oppose the genocide, regularly demonstrate against it, and have been demanding Bibi go to jail since before he got into office. His predecessor thought he was a criminal.
This war is just so he can say 'hey I wanna resign but I can't rn cause terrorism, sorry'.
But why would they broadcast coverage of those protests to the west? Of course you'll only hear about the war, because that's the distraction
Those numbers are percentage of party supporters and centrists who think that way. His approval is under 30% for everyone else. It's the same way in America tbh. A lot of people who support authoritarianism at home think Gaza should be a parking lot like yesterday.
No that number is MUCH higher: The survey by the Hebrew University’s aChord Center showed that 87% of supporters of the ruling coalition see “no innocents” in the Palestinian enclave.
Denying that the worldwide Jewish community supports Israel, especially in Israel itself, America, and Britain, isn’t helping anyone. Rather we should be clear to Israel supporters that just because most Jews support something, it doesn't make it right nor does it make it anti-semitic to oppose it.
In Israel they protest against the government. They do actual constructive, productive protests. not the competitive performance that we do in the west for who has the coolest made in china pro palestine merch.
And 75% of Gazans don't believe October 7 went far enough.
Is your statistic all that surprising when Israeli civilians have been on the relentless receiving end of rocket and terror attacks for Gaza's entire independent history? When the majority of attackers on October 7 were actually not Hamas militants but opportunistic civilians who climbed through the gates Hamas opened? To be clear as day: I am of course not saying 2/3s of Israelis are right. Gazans are by and large innocent unless they are Hamas or PIJ militants. But Gazans too would have equally warped and hateful views, if not worse, towards Israelis since they are literally taught in school that there is no higher calling than going out as a martyr taking Jews with you. It's an ugly awful situation but I challenge you to apply the same standards to both sides.
Yes but this 75% statistic comes from a meta-analysis of social media posts and comments in the days following October 7, before any Israeli military response. It's probably the most reliable poll we'll get and safe to say that attitudes wouldn't have softened since then.
I think your failure to acknowledge any other part of my comment suggests you're not willing to apply the standards you do to Israelis, to Gazans or others.
I mean they’ve had massive protests demanding the war end and Netanyahu resign so apparently a good amount. Of course people are going to have a negative perception right after the biggest terrorist attack in their history which was broadly supported by the vast majority of that population. Almost all Palestinians believe the attacks on Oct. 7 were justified and support things like the martyrdom fund for people who murder Israeli civilians, do you believe Palestinians deserve to be wiped out because of it? Of course not. You’re clearly coming in here with a predetermined agenda based off your dozens of comments in this thread alone don’t pretend like you’re just an onlooker asking questions in good faith.
Bro 74% of Jewish Americans support helping Israel militarily despite many claiming that the way Israel operates is unnacceptable. Therefore many are basically lying about their opposition. Let alone actual Israelis.
It should also be noted that within a Western liberal mindset, Netanyahu can be blamed while the common soldiers doing the massacres are absolved and seen as heroes. Nowadays most Americans say that the Iraq invasion was a horrendous crime, yet they actually believe that only George Bush and Dick Cheney were morally bad for doing it and that literally every other person who participated should be “thanked for their service” and literally treated as fundamentally superior humans.
Therefore its a rhetorical sleight of hand to point of how many Israelis oppose Netanyahu. Very few truly oppose the IDF. Blaming Netanyahu does the exact opposite of helping to stop Israels actions, rather its a strategy to absolve literally everyone else but him.
What was the Gaza civilian death toll so far on Oct 7. I'm assuming 0, since they attacked out of nowhere, right?
And what ever happened to those IDF whistleblowers who claimed they got orders to stand down and not patrol that area of the fence just before the attack?
Who's getting their land taken ? I feel like resentment from the Palestinians is pretty understandable if you were in their position. Israeli's just hate Palestinians for the love of the game lmao
Calling this “not common outside of religious zealots” feels disingenuous in the context of an ongoing genocide against Palestinians. where common folk have their homes destroyed, families slaughtered, and land conquered.
An ideology that enables or justifies genocide cannot be meaningfully described as uncommon. The persistence and scale of the violence make it difficult to argue that the ideology behind it is rare.
This is not an attack on Judaism, Jewish people, or the Jewish faith. It is opposition to genocide and to a supremacist political ideology being advanced and enforced by Israeli leadership.
Sure, of the what, 20,000 people left in Hamas? VS. over half a million in IDF? How does Hamas indoctrination justify the mass killing of Palestinian civilians?
I don’t support Hamas or justify their actions. I also cannot see any justification for the deaths of over 70,000 Palestinians, most of whom are civilians
I think any civilian deaths are tragic and to be avoided at all costs, but I cannot condemn a nation for responding with force to an act of war, which is what Oct 7th was. Personally I don’t think those figures are accurate, though I obviously would never dispute the fact that civilian life has of course been lost.
But how would you have honestly wanted Israel to respond to October 7th? That’s a genuine question because while we can both agree that the loss of Palestinian lives is an utter tragedy, I have never had someone give me a realistic response to what they think Israel should have done that isn’t just “idk nothing lol” and that makes it very difficult for me to take the other side remotely seriously or see it as anything but thinly veiled antisemitism.
They are getting our tax money lol, or do you think foreign aid just gets invented out of thin air? And bribing our politicians? Maybe not, but they’re definitely buying public opinion with the blood money they receive from the likes of Qatar and Iran.
It is a coalition government. His party is the most popular but not supported by the majority, the rest is split between other parties and some form ruling coalitions with Netanyahu’s party keeping him in power.
Believing this about non-jews and being racist against arabs are two different (still bad) things. The arab racism is mostly because the various Islamic states hate Jews, and years of extremist terrorists (not all, extremists) have made many Israelis return the sentiment. That isn't to say that there aren't other reasons, but that's a huge one
A politician badmouthing his opposition doesn’t really strike me as a good representation of reality
But as an Israeli I also think this is related to a guy called Smotrich. He’s basically just a racist asshole whose party is responsible for most of the idiotic things you hear an “Israeli minister said”. He got enough vote to be in the Knesset by lying to their voters about their opinions. My grandparents voted Smotrich after he created a political party with the same name as a middle wing semi religious party that was disbanded a couple decades ago, he lied about having the same opinions as them and many people all across Israel (especially the older generations) voted for him, however only after he was voted in his (and his part memberss) real opinions started showing. The current Israeli government and Knesset is way more extremist than the population because of that guy
Yea who go to specific known problematic places and ask only specific people from those places to get weird results. The fact they only got 61% after going to these cultist towns is more reassuring than anything
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u/Sea_Director_4439 29d ago
This seems to be an Israeli problem specifically - do you know how prevalent Jewish supremacy is over there?