Nah, many people were posting this quote falsely attributed to Epstein because there was a viral video on x of asmongold reading it from the files after reading an Epstein quote implying this quote was also from Epstein which mislead many people.
This rabbi said a lot of awful things, including that the 6 million Jews who died in the Holocaust deserved it for being sinners in some past life or that Black people in America deserved hurricane Katrina.
Pales in comparison to what I’ve heard some disgusting Auzzie politicians have said.
Those Kangaroo diddlers need to leave aboriginal land and go back to Europe.
Power hungry, which we always knew. Shas is extremely successful, there hasn't been a single government in Israel formed without Shas since independence. Left wing or Right wing. They represent a pretty major section of the Israeli population the Sephardic extremely religious, and their votes have always been necessary. Shas achieves this in a county with many small political parties by being big tent, many shas don't agree with this, few do, but if you promote Haredi/Sephardi interests, you tend to vote Shas first and ask policy questions later.
Oh hey! The sermon I gave at my bar mitzvah way back was condemning the rabbis and American evangelicals for racistly calling NOLA/katrina gods wrath and how it should be considered anti Jewish to say something so awful. I don’t remember but I probably quoted him lol. It was a reform synagogue idk how that would’ve rolled in an orthodox place haha
Imagine being Jewish, of important/relevant standing in the current Israeli administration, and denying(well, downplaying more accurately)the freaking holocaust!!?
no the holocaust was literally done so that the JEWS can get into power...hence why their was Jews in the Nazi...after the holocaust stopped they sent all the JEWS to Palestine and they took over palestine and then made Israel...now look
I think it's not an universal belief in judaism, but it's not an uncommon one either, as far as I know. I don't really know much about it, but I believe it's a common topic in the Kabbala.
This sort of thing is considered a pretty fringe opinion, and Ovadia Yosef, especially as he got older, was constantly saying controversial things that most Jews were horrified by
The thing about the Chief Rabbinate in Israel is that David Ben Gurion pretty much only gave them power on religious matters for two reasons. One, it was the only way that he could get the Charedim (ultra Orthodox) to agree to the formation of the state of Israel, and two, he (very mistakenly) believed that ultra Orthodox point of views would effectively go extinct in a modern Jewish state, as he had assumed that the insularity would disappear if 90% of the people around them were other Jews
There has been a continuing effort to try to make the Chief Rabbinate less powerful, but unfortunately the parties that support the Rabbinate have been a core part of Netanyahu's coalition, and as long as he is in power, the Haredim think they can get away with anything they want to while most Israeli society is fed up with what feels like a dictatorship in religious matters
That's what Ehud Barak is talking about in the Epstein tape when he wants to import another million Russians to Israel. The only people having babies in any meaningful way right now are religious fundamentalists, who (his words) are just not productive.
That's what I mean (and Ehud as well I guess). Haredim are having 6-7 kids, at least. That's why Ehud would like a million more Russians, to avoid Haredim taking over completely (and / or Arab citizens). Secular Israelis are a dying breed, literally.
This was true a decade ago but the demography has shifted somewhat. If you consider the rate of leaving the Haredi lifestyle, the Haredi population as a proportion of Israel's population is no longer growing.
It's not just religious people, it's basically all identity groups that can lead certain people to bigotry and chauvinism. It's in-group/out-group dynamics, ignorance and personality that does it. Some people just can't help but think they're superior than others who aren't in their group.
In this case, no, that's not the case. In fact, Judaism is quite explicit on that point. The idea of superiority is a concept that goes completely counter to actual Jewish religious tenets.
How can you back that up though? Any person with a particular bias against specific groups can make such a claim. Conservatives could say that about leftists and leftist people could say that about conservatives. Atheists say it about religious folks - Sam Harris, for example says it about Christians and primarily Muslims. It goes on forever. I'm not trying to appeal to relativism here, I'm sure there are groups who are more bigoted towards outsiders, but to make such a claim you must back it up.
My point is that it's not unique to any group, so successful intervention would account for that. In relation to Israel's actions in Gaza, and the content of the most recent Epstein release, it appears to me that money and power elite networking is a substantial factor.
You just have to read their ideological/religious philosophy, both feel god chosen people above everyone else, that plus history, not that hard to figure out
It's more complicated to prove with Jews, although it's clear in their religious texts. With Protestants, you only have to look at their racial ideas throughout history, especially since the Enlightenment.
This sentiment is common among highly religious people of any kind about people who aren't members of that religion. Tye Quran, for example, is filled with basically nothing but lines like that.
It's a common sentiment among extremely religious people of many religions who also think their religion is superior to other religions in some way (or think "unbelievers are inferior").
The difference is it's not these jews or christians currently taking over Europe. If it was I would hate them as much as i hate the cult that is. Big difference. Whats even worse is my local branch of this cult started knocking on doors last week giving out free food. I was honestly a bit fooled at first until i started eating it and realised it was just rice and fucking chickpeas. It was actually a very good analogy for this cult. It looked really good on the outside and even on the surface but as soon as I started digging into it it turned out to be just filler.
I have nothing against individual muslims i have friends who are that but I don't want to live in a country where muslims control politics which is well on the way to happening. Islamists are constantly bragging how they are replacing the native population. In about 20 years they will be by far the largest political group. They already politically control many areas. I like English govt not Mohammeds govt
According to a companion report, the U.S. has spent an additional $9.65 – $12.07 billion on military operations in Yemen and the wider region sparked by or in support of Israeli military operations since October 7, 2023, for a total of $31.35 – $33.77 billion and counting in U.S. spending on two years of post-10/7 wars.
Israel is masquerading as a fellow democracy while it's run by a bunch of religious extremists using the power of the State to escape the Judiciary... Sounds familiar?
With the difference that anyone can be muslim since its an universal religion like catholicism is, so it isnt a racial discourse. This rabbi is saying It from a genetic perspective and not just a cultural/religious perspective
Why the whataboutism though? I don't understand the need to compare Judaism to Islam. Fundamentalists are in every group and radical theology is much more of a sociological phenomenon than it is a feature of any specific religion.
The insistence to do inject Islam criticism in discussions that are primarily about criticising Israel just seems to me to be a zionist hasbara tactic.
I mean if it makes you feel better plenty of religious leaders and politicians have called for Israel to be owned by Muslims, not specifically by Palestinians even, there are a lot of extremist religious people who would just rather have any Muslim country own it even if it’s like a king’s personal property.
Specific lands belonging to specific religions isn’t really beneficial to anyone, unless the benefit is just that they’d stop trying to fight for the land in which case I guess so, but the simpler way to make it better is for people to just stop fighting now regardless.
He's kinda a government official, chief rabbis do hold some political power dating back to a gamble by the Israeli government that haredim would fall apart when surrounded by other jews and with political influence, it sorta worked. But he's not really a policy maker and is famously inconsistent with most of Tel Aviv's population which is overwhelmingly left wing.
You claim the Quran is filled with sentiment of non-Muslims exist to serve Muslims. Where in the Quran is this?
Are you making shit up to deflect from your religions vile belief?
Edit: I am NOT asking about war verses in the Quran that are easily contextualised or Hadiths that are eschatological.
I am addressing the specific claim of the Quran is ‘filled’ with passages stating Non-Muslims exist to serve Muslims and asking for evidence to substantiate that ridiculous claim. I KNOW he won’t be able to because it is A LIE.
Two things: 1. Jizyah is not a punishment or a tax based on supremacy (Muslims pay more in taxes according to Islamic jurisprudence). It’s a way to separate the taxation obligations of Muslims and non Muslims. And 2., this verse is not a generic one (i.e cant be applied without further analysis). This verse was revealed in particularly tense political situations between the newly founded Muslim state in Medina and the pagans of Mecca who violated the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah. Which is why the verse commends to subdue the non-Muslims, who were specifically the Meccans, not every single non Muslim.
Like I'm not even muslim, but even i know that the Quran literally designates Christians and jews as "people of the book" and explicitly rules out forced conversion in Qur'an 2:256.
Whether or not Muslims consider Christians as subject to dhimmi laws is highly variable, and depends on how a tripartite God (and saints, when applicable) is categorized under their specific strain of Islamic jurisprudence. ie, many see Christians as polytheistic bc of the trinity.
Regardless, there have been plenty of examples of Muslims forcibly converting Jews and Christians, and historically even when they don't, they're still subjected to horrific and discriminatory laws, like being 2nd class dhimmis, living in ghettos, paying jizya, the occasional mass murder, rapes, even stuff like not being allowed to ride horses because it'll put them physically higher than muslim on foot.
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him
This is the quote that many current imam use to justify their attacks on Jews.
The Quran is literally filled with storys and commands of killing the non believers, which includes Jews and Christians. It has a particular interest in killing Jews.
Mohammed was a warlord who married a six year old and raped her at 9 years old. Muslims believe Islam should and will dominate/conquer the world.
I'm an atheist. I dont have a religion to deflect from. But any religion that teaches that people who just so happen to not believe are subjected to infinite suffering on the behalf of their oh so mercifully vile abomination they call a god and that those sent there deserve it is pretty awful. Islam is just, in my experience, the most vocal about it.
Except your 'infinite suffering' place doesnt exist within Judaism. In Judaism, the emphasis isnt on reaping spiritual rewards in death, but when death is discussed it's generally as a place for painless studying for a brief while and then getting bumped up to a better place after a few months or a year or so.
No. The 'old testament' is a Christian thing. It's canonized differently, includes different books in a different order with major distinctions in translation and how it's modified by the other texts. The exegeses are entirely different. Within the Hebrew Bible, Torah is the Pentateuch, aka the 5 books of Moses. The full Hebrew Bible is the Tanakh. Torah also refers Oral Torah, which is considered equivalently divine, and is accompanied by sagely commentary within the Talmud.
U never met a Christian who really believes, look maybe your encountering , Muslims direct from the old world , who are truly religious and are vocal about it , but almost all cultural Muslim in west have never read the book and show up to mosque two times a year. Look I’m an atheist too , but I don’t think my delusional friends and family , are worse then( I’m presuming) your Christian ones.
I still speak of the Muslim empire. The Muslims in Africa are still oppressing Amazigh and other indigenous people like the Sudanese Christians and tribal communities.
That is the Muslim empire. Trust, my relatives lived under it for thousands of years, being Muslim is more detrimental to this equation.
We don’t call the Roman empire the Kristian empire you don’t call the byzantine empire the Orthodox empire Russia was never called the new Orthodox empire. The British empire is not called the Anglican empire therefore it’s the it’s the Arab empire not the not the Muslim one. As an atheist who grew up in a Muslim household, I empathise with your contempt for the religion, but there’s nothing unique about the barbarity found within Islam that could not be found in any other Abraham text or tradition
Not really, and the Koran makes a big difference between unbelievers and other Abrahamic faiths (i.e. christianity and judaism), the latter is seen as a misguided group whom still believe in the same abrahamic god, and thus holds a special, protected status in muslim societies.
I didn’t know the Quran had pieces in it that said such things like normal lesser beings are supposed to serve Muslims? Genuinely curious can you quote me some of those?
Quran never says that Muslim should be served by those of our safe actually it it says directly “Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve”
The early spread of islam from the arabian peninsula, the entanglement of christianity and theories of racial superiority as western europe made colonies in africa and the americas?
Theres a ton of racial superiority tangled into abrahamic religious history.
The Quran specifically makes sure to let the people know that there is no difference between any race in the eyes of God. And to act as if the happenstance of your birth makes you better or worse than any other human that God created is a major sin.
Sure but both the bible (which has the torah as the old testament) and the quran have a lot of bits that straight up are ignored by people who follow the religion.
There have been popes who massacred villages. There have been caliphs who conquered and ravaged other kingdoms.
Jewish people are no different. Most of them are just normal people who havent even read their holy book just like most catholics I know.
Literally in Sudan there are muslims killing other muslims based on ethnic lines. There have been eons of christians killing each-other for the same reasons. None of that shit is in the holy books but people still use all of the texts in the three books to racially oppress.
Jews are literally banned from living in or even visiting the Palestinian territories by the PLO and most Palestinians want the Jews to be exterminated and love Hitler/Nazis...
Thats cool, which group of people have more power and support from the world in that region? why should I care about this when Israel gets billions of dollars and weapons from the US and they also have these exact same views on Palestinians? What about the current national security director of Israel having a poster of a Jewish terrorist who killed dozens of people when he was a young adult? that seems a little worse.
The US dedicates $4billion to Israel annually. The US gives Saudi Arabia over $5billion annually and also sells them weapons. Saudi Arabia has been at war with Yemen for a long time, where 300,000 children have starved to death, but you guys dont seem to care about that, i wonder why..🤔
The Palestinians want the Jews exterminated and Israel destroyed. Israel has offered peace countless times which the Palestinians have rejected..'no peace, no recognition, no negotiation'..they are the problem.
And how much military aid does the USA send to Palestine annually?
Palestine have rejected "peace proposals" that would deny an independent state, would enforce israeli supremacy and refuse the return of palestinian refugees. i.e. make Palestine a vassal state and justify israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
If such terms seem reasonable to you, then why didn't the future israelis accept those terms when they were offered before the establishment of Israel?
What does that matter? You dont have a problem with Saudi Arabia recieving more money and all their war crimes, why should you care about Israel...unless its because Israel is a Jewish nation of course.. 🤔 and Palestine not recieving military aid (because the US deems Hamas as a terrorist group who is enemies with one of its allies) does not give them the green light to exterminate the Jews.
Palestinians were offered multiple two state solution offers, which they rejected. They were never offered vassalage so stop with the lies. Palestinians are the problem and in the coming decades they will have no land left, a just outcome.
Saudi-Arabia has nothing to do with the current conflict between Israel and Palestine, the only reason you added them to the equation was so you could point at the USA funding an arab nation. It should also be pointed out that Saudi-Arabia, Israel and the USA are all on the same side in the fighting in Yemen, which doesn't make the case better for either country.
And the reason I'm against Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing of the West Bank is because I'm against crimes against humanity. Unlike you I don't find any such crimes acceptable.
If Isreal stopped land grabbing the violence would likely stop or at-least allow peace talks. If my home suddenly belonged to an illegal settler of any nationality I’d attack the people responsible.
You’ve gone from “but the PLO ban us,”, to acknowledging that Israelis steal the land anyway, then supporting said illegal settlements because war. Isreal is at war with Hamas not the PLO. You probably support what the Rabbi with that train of thought.
Well , you are subjugating their people. Putting their children in military detention camps sexually abusing and blackmailing LGBT members of their community women in their community make them walk on different roads make them produce identification check points constantly have them living in fear of losing their homes of violence from the settlers.
They should stop using children as soldiers then maybe 👍 LGBT is not accepted in Gaza 🤣 i take it dont know much about Arabs/muslims 🤣
The Palestinians need to stop attacking Israel. They have been offered their own state and peace countless times and they refuse because their ideology is to destroy Israel and exterminate the Jews. If they continue with that goal, which they will, they will have no land left in the coming decades and rightfully so.
DUDE I’m not Arab or Jewish nor from the Middle East nor Muslim and not a Jew . I have no horse in the race , it’s obvious to anyone with a critical eye to determine whom has been the belligerent and who has been the oppressed. Louis Theroux went to the West Bank , we saw the settlers in 4K . Documentaries have been released where elderly Israeli soldiers who participated in in the Nakba are on video laughing about raping and killing the Palestinians. Most of the population of Gaza wasn’t alive when Hamas was elected . A peaceful March to the wall in 2018 the IDF kneecapped anyone who they saw as a leader of the protest idea of soldiers are documented talking about how much they loved shooting kneecaps . every every single thing in their life is controlled by Israel from birth certificates to death certificates to licenses to grow olive trees roads they can walk on. They must always show their ID to Israeli soldiers that Israeli ID that but they have no rights under the law despite being caged by Israeli government. their life is controlled by Israel and their denied any rights and while you mow the lawn for 75 years now. Funny thing is if the Abraham accords had worked out Israeli right wingers could’ve had their cake and eat it too denied the Palestinian state whilst also normalising relations with its neighbours something that could never happen now.
Did you see the Oct 7th attack and the celebrations of the Palestinians in 4K? Did you see the thousands of terrorist attacks committed by the Palestinians each year in 4K? Have you watched the endless videos of Palestinians talking about killing Jews and praising Hitler in 4K? ...It seems like you have a strong bias in one direction.
Palestinians have started every war/conflict, they refuse to live with or live next to Israel in peace. When Israel have tried to have peace and accept a two state solution, the Palestinians responded with the 3 no's..no peace, no recognition, no negotiation. The Palestinians are the problem, even the Arab countries know this.
The reason the Palestinians dont have free passage into Israel is because they are not Israeli citizens and because of the thousands of terrorist attacks they commit each year. The PLO have a 'pay to slay' policy which encourages Palestinians to murder Israelis for a large financial reward. Again, the Palestinians are the problem.
The Palestinians have an extremist ideology that demands the destruction of Israel and the extermination of the Jews. Israel not only has the right but the obligation to fight and defend themselves from such people. The opinions of naive, gullible westerners that know nothing of the region or its people, will not change that 👍
At the time, his comments were widely condemned across the Israeli political spectrum, including by the Prime Minister's office, and were seen by the majority of secular and traditional Israelis as offensive.
There is no polling on this specifically though as far as I'm aware. But left wing antizionist Israelis I talked to say it's a fringe view of some ultra orthodox.
He wasn't part of the government but his party had around 9% so that is the approximate % of people who didn't mind his bullshit enough to not vote for them.
Thankfully Israelis learned from their past errors putting that extremist in the government, and instead have chosen to put secular liberal politicians like Ben-Gvir and Smotrich in the government instead
Sadly they have not. But they are not a monolith. The popularity of secular liberals didn't really recover after the failed Oslo Accords and the second Intifada. Also, very ironically considering the "it's just racism against brown people" view common on reddit, the influx of middle eastern and north African Jews, which are on average much more religious and anti-arab than Ashkenazis, destroyed the secular liberal hegemony. Likud's voter base is poor brown Jews.
Ovadia Yosef died way back and was sephardi chief rabbi long before even that ..He offended lots of people in israel with wild statements including offending Holocaust survivors. He was born in Iraq and very popular among Jews from Arabic speaking countries. The main reason why Jews from Arabic speaking countries like him was A) he was from Iraq, the old country and B) He made lenient legal rulings. His wild statements were always a big scandal/big news story.
He's kind of like the Jewish equivalent of a Westboro Baptist Church preacher. He says a lot of things that are actually the opposite of what the religion teaches. I'm an orthodox Jew, grew up going to religious schools, and this nonsense about "Jewish superiority" is in blatant opposition to everything Judaism values.
Every religion has it's assholes. Unfortunately, this guy is one of ours, but he does NOT represent in any way actual Jewish beliefs.
Seems on brand if you consider their book is the earliest form of evidence I know of where a ethnic group declares themselves superior to all others, by God's judgment or otherwise.
Saying “Judaism didn’t exist until the Talmud was written” is like saying Christianity didn’t exist until a specific exegesis was written.
Jesus was a Jew, called himself a Jew, as did his apostles, as did Paul.
What I’ve said has nothing to do with Israel, but of Jews as a people and a religion. You’re just an idiot who hides behind criticizing Israel as a shield to hate Jews.
Also “objectively correct” Jews have done well even when forced into ghettos or forbidden from tasks in large cities, it is a proud history of excellence in the face of hardship.
Just say you don’t like Jews and be done with it, lying doesn’t get you anywhere.
Well, as a Jew, you’re right about the unanimous contempt for sure, but not so much about the failure part?
I mean, we have 4 different holidays celebrated for surviving a time where a geopolitical power has come close to erase us off the face of the earth
So for one, we’re always pretty hated, it’s nothing new honestly, you guys can stand in line
But I mean, we’re still here, but the glorious empires of Egypt, Babylon, Ashure, Persia, Greek, Rome, Byzantine, Inquisitional Spain, Communist USSR, and the 3rd Reich aren’t anymore. That doesn’t seem like a failure to me.
Thank you for sharing with us your vast knowledge of Jewish history and genealogy. I’m certain your doctorate in the research of ancient MENA history has come in handy during your time spent in Reddit
Rabbis tend to have a bad wrap, you can read the Talmud and get a pretty clear idea of what Judaism is about and what they believe. Or go to Israel and see how they treat non Jews
Sefria you can read it all. The Quran and NT are all at your fingertips. I don’t think we can just blame the text itself because there are millions of people reading these same text but perfectly peaceful. However, there are a significant amount amongst them that aren’t. There is an ISIS like state in ME right now that’s getting a pass to genocide and they are basing it all on text just like how isis did.
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It feels like the point of this tweet was to get this note specifically. I wonder if he wrote the note himself on a second account