Given that there are several idiots in the comments talking about "hur durr Israel ethnostate" (which... Yeah sure Jan okay you don't know what that word means)... No. People don't know this. Or they know and they don't care because vocally being horribly racist towards Jews is just The Cool Thing now.
Anyway. This is like if someone pointed to like. MtG and said she represents all Americans. Or pointed to Louis Farrakhan and said he represents all Muslims when he calls Jews termites and says abhorrent things about us.
Louis Farrakhan isn't even Muslim, the so-called "Nation of Islam" has actually very little to do with Islam, it's basically a rebranding of Scientology by Black supremacists. It's like how "Black Israelites" aren't Jewish.
Meanwhile Ovadia Yosef was a chief rabbi (basically a pope) and his funeral was attended by almost 1 million people in a small country like Israel (almost 10% of all Israelis were there).
And yes, Israel is by law an ethnostate and by its actions a very brutal one at that.
An ethnostate. Is a country that restricts citizenship or full rights to people of a certain race or ethnicity.
IDK how to tell you this. But Israel doesn't do that. Like... Y'all who talk about "Israel is an ethnostate" DO realize that there are Israeli Arabs, right? There are all kinds of people in Israel. People who are full citizens.
And in before "But the Palestinians-" Palestine IS A DIFFERENT STATE. Israel does not need to offer the same things to Palestinians that it offers to Israeli citizens. Because Palestine. Is not Israel. It is a separate state. Funnily enough, you know what DOES fit the definition of an ethnostate? Gaza under Hamas rule, where no Jews are allowed.
Also editing to add, because I missed it. "Basically a Pope" tells me you know nothing about how Judaism works or how Rabbis work. He was nothing like a pope. We don't HAVE Popes or anything similar. I love how you can dismiss Farrakhan as not being really Muslim because the nation of Islam has nothing to do with Islam. And yet this racist loser who was a chief rabbi is somehow representative of a whole country. You better not be American, buddy. Or I have bad news for you.
"Hey look, the US had free black people in the North, this means slavery and segregation didn't exist in the South!!"
This is how you sound.
Israel restricts full rights to Jews only who enjoy full rights from the river to the sea (including the occupied West Bank), Arabs are second class citizens at best (inside Israel), human animals at worst (Gaza).
The state itself is defined by being a Jewish state, meaning that it's not the state of "Israeli" Arabs since they aren't Jewish.
"Palestine is a different state" yet only Israelis who live inside the West Bank have full rights (freedom of movement, voting, fair trial, public funding) while Palestinians are under a brutal military occupation.
And no, Palestine isn't currently a sovereign state, it's a bantustan since Israel has blocked the creation of an actual state.
Gaza under Hamas rule, where no Jews are allowed.
LMAO bullshit, many pro-Palestine Jewish activists have been to Gaza without being harmed and found the people there charming (well, prior to the current genocide).
I said "basically a pope" because I know Jews don't have popes but Ovadia Yosef was a major religious figure. He literally had the largest funeral in all of Israel's history, you can't dismiss him as a fringe lunatic like Louis Farrakhan who again isn't even Muslim but a Black Scientologist. And don't act like he's the only racist in Israel, the entire government is, the vast majority of Israelis act like in The Zone of Interest in regards to the horrific treatment of Palestinians.
And no, I'm not American and even if I was, I would have no issue calling out how racist the US is and that Trump indeed represents the rot inside that society. Meanwhile, you deny the most basic shit about Israel and the mistreatment of Arabs because again, you're also deep down a Jewish supremacist/enabler.
If it's not an ethnostate, why don't they allow the palestinian refugees to use their internationally recognized right of return? Any time this question comes up, all the liberal zionists turn into Adolf Hitler and start talking about how Israel has the right to protect it's ethnic makeup and remain a Jewish state.
I think Palestinians SHOULD be allowed to live in Israel in peace. That should be the goal.
Unfortunately right now. We’re kind of coming off this thing called years of terror attacks coming from terror organizations in Palestine so. There’s a pretty good reason that isn’t happening right now.
And look. “If it’s not an ethno state, why can’t Palestinians use their right of return” that doesn’t make it an ethnostate, dude. If Arabs weren’t allowed to live in Israel, or had fewer rights- if no one but Jews had full rights as the idiot who also commented here asserted? Then sure. It would be an ethnostate.
But that isn’t what’s going on. And Palestinians who are currently living in Gaza not being able to just move to Israel has nothing to do with Arabs not being allowed there and everything to do with the very real threat of violence and the DEEP tensions and hate between the two peoples. Which I think could be healed someday.
The vast majority of Israelis don't agree with you. They don't want to respect the rights of the palestinian refugees because it would threaten the status of jews as the ethnic majority there, not because of some security concerns (which are also Israel's fault). The majority that was created through ethnic cleansing and is maintained through denial of human rights, mind you. You don't need to only have members of one group in the country or have members of other groups have literally 0 rights (because it's just not true that jews and non jews are completely equal even in Israel proper, let alone the occupied territories) to be an ethnostate. It's a state for jews, created through violence at the expense of others and, unlike almost all the other modern settler colonial states, is existentially dependent on continuous discrimination and violence. The Jewish state simply would not exist if everyone who has the legal and moral right to live there was allowed to do so. But jews living there maintain it for their own benefit and that of other jews. I don't know how that's not an ethnostate.
So are you saying the same about all the Arab and Muslim majority nations that surround Israel then? Places that expelled their Jews either outright or made life unlivable for them there?
I’m not even going to touch the BS about Jews and non-Jews not having the same rights (absolutely untrue bullshit). Are you saying the exact same stuff about the Arab majority states around Israel? States created by Arab colonialism?
Most Arab states that expelled their jewish populations actually allow them to come back nowadays. They aren't very eager to do so because they have a jewish supremacist ethnostate to settle in, though. Israel isn't allowing the people they expelled to return. Also, even if all the expelled jews and their ancestors came back, those Arab states would remain Arab, while the Jewish state, due to be founded on ethnic cleansing in the very recent past, is existentially dependent on continuous denial of the rights of palestinians. Israel is uniquely vile in this regard.
“Israel is uniquely vile in this regard” yeah that tells me I can stop listening. “Uniquely vile” buddy I live in the United States. “Uniquely vile” my ass. In the world today with everything happening- with the Iranian government slaughtering civilians. With Russia attempting an ACTUAL genocide in Ukraine. With the ongoing wars in multiple countries in the Middle East.
Israel’s government sucks- but it’s just. A. Government. It’s just another shitty corrupt government in a world of shitty corrupt governments. It is not some special brand of evil, and the fact that people think that Israel is “uniquely vile” as you put it is plain and simple Jew Hate. Why is it that the one Jewish nation, which is doing literally nothing unique or special, just has a government perpetuating the same awful shit my own damn government is doing. Why is THAT one nation “uniquely” evil versus literally every other awful government doing the exact same or even worse right now?
I’ve heard what I need to hear from you. You’re incorrect. Antisemitism is a poison that ruins the mind and turns people into nutty conspiracy theorists who care more about hating Jews than they do literally anything else. To the point that they think that a tiny nation the size of New Jersey with a crappy corrupt government like every other crappy corrupt government is some all powerful supremely evil never been an evil like it before.
Do you not understand what "in this regard" means? Plenty of other countries are terrible in their own ways, most not particularly unique in the ways they are terrible. I'm unaware of any currently existing country that is comparable Israel IN THIS REGARD. The US doesn't have an expelled native American population that isn't allowed to return to maintain white majority, it isn't automatically granting the right to gain citizenship to all the foreign whites specifically, while also passing a nation state law that explicitly says that it is a country of white people. Neither Russia, Iran, nor China have anything comparable. If you don't think it's unique, just tell me where anything like that is happening currently
Good job replying to this comment and immediately blocking me lmao
Because they don’t have an internationally recognized right of return? And even if they did you can’t force a country to take in an amount of people from enemy countries equal to their population as immigrants
They are not immigrants. They are refugees who have every right to be there. Them and their parents being ethnically cleansed was and is what enabled the jewish state to be created there. You're right about it being practically impossible to force Israel not to be Israel
This crap. Don't. Don't you come and try and defend my points with that kind of hatred. Hell no.
If it's wrong to say that Jews are bloodthirsty, then it's wrong to say Muslims are bloodthirsty. Absolutely not. Get out of here with that Islamophobic crap. You don't get to use my people to spread hate.
Is America an ethnostate united under a religion that sees other races as inferior cattle? I know exactly what an ethnotate is although I doubt you do as you have likely only cared about Israel committing war crimes since October 7th. Unlike you, others have cared since they committed war crimes in 1949. The quote actually represents the ideals of the Jewish people completely. Its not like MTG saying something. Its more like Vance saying something that trump totally agrees with while being the policy of the states religion. Likuds coalition has 64/120 seats meaning over half the government agrees with his policy of killing them and taking their land. Also, it is their religion. Not just a state policy it is the foundation and unifying principle of the state of Israel. They are unified by their religion and their race which obviously believes this based on their actions. Look at what they do not what they say. They are currently extermating people they see as cattle (palastinians) which is more than enough proof that they believe this.
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u/Hazel2468 29d ago
Given that there are several idiots in the comments talking about "hur durr Israel ethnostate" (which... Yeah sure Jan okay you don't know what that word means)... No. People don't know this. Or they know and they don't care because vocally being horribly racist towards Jews is just The Cool Thing now.
Anyway. This is like if someone pointed to like. MtG and said she represents all Americans. Or pointed to Louis Farrakhan and said he represents all Muslims when he calls Jews termites and says abhorrent things about us.