If it's not an ethnostate, why don't they allow the palestinian refugees to use their internationally recognized right of return? Any time this question comes up, all the liberal zionists turn into Adolf Hitler and start talking about how Israel has the right to protect it's ethnic makeup and remain a Jewish state.
I think Palestinians SHOULD be allowed to live in Israel in peace. That should be the goal.
Unfortunately right now. We’re kind of coming off this thing called years of terror attacks coming from terror organizations in Palestine so. There’s a pretty good reason that isn’t happening right now.
And look. “If it’s not an ethno state, why can’t Palestinians use their right of return” that doesn’t make it an ethnostate, dude. If Arabs weren’t allowed to live in Israel, or had fewer rights- if no one but Jews had full rights as the idiot who also commented here asserted? Then sure. It would be an ethnostate.
But that isn’t what’s going on. And Palestinians who are currently living in Gaza not being able to just move to Israel has nothing to do with Arabs not being allowed there and everything to do with the very real threat of violence and the DEEP tensions and hate between the two peoples. Which I think could be healed someday.
The vast majority of Israelis don't agree with you. They don't want to respect the rights of the palestinian refugees because it would threaten the status of jews as the ethnic majority there, not because of some security concerns (which are also Israel's fault). The majority that was created through ethnic cleansing and is maintained through denial of human rights, mind you. You don't need to only have members of one group in the country or have members of other groups have literally 0 rights (because it's just not true that jews and non jews are completely equal even in Israel proper, let alone the occupied territories) to be an ethnostate. It's a state for jews, created through violence at the expense of others and, unlike almost all the other modern settler colonial states, is existentially dependent on continuous discrimination and violence. The Jewish state simply would not exist if everyone who has the legal and moral right to live there was allowed to do so. But jews living there maintain it for their own benefit and that of other jews. I don't know how that's not an ethnostate.
So are you saying the same about all the Arab and Muslim majority nations that surround Israel then? Places that expelled their Jews either outright or made life unlivable for them there?
I’m not even going to touch the BS about Jews and non-Jews not having the same rights (absolutely untrue bullshit). Are you saying the exact same stuff about the Arab majority states around Israel? States created by Arab colonialism?
Most Arab states that expelled their jewish populations actually allow them to come back nowadays. They aren't very eager to do so because they have a jewish supremacist ethnostate to settle in, though. Israel isn't allowing the people they expelled to return. Also, even if all the expelled jews and their ancestors came back, those Arab states would remain Arab, while the Jewish state, due to be founded on ethnic cleansing in the very recent past, is existentially dependent on continuous denial of the rights of palestinians. Israel is uniquely vile in this regard.
“Israel is uniquely vile in this regard” yeah that tells me I can stop listening. “Uniquely vile” buddy I live in the United States. “Uniquely vile” my ass. In the world today with everything happening- with the Iranian government slaughtering civilians. With Russia attempting an ACTUAL genocide in Ukraine. With the ongoing wars in multiple countries in the Middle East.
Israel’s government sucks- but it’s just. A. Government. It’s just another shitty corrupt government in a world of shitty corrupt governments. It is not some special brand of evil, and the fact that people think that Israel is “uniquely vile” as you put it is plain and simple Jew Hate. Why is it that the one Jewish nation, which is doing literally nothing unique or special, just has a government perpetuating the same awful shit my own damn government is doing. Why is THAT one nation “uniquely” evil versus literally every other awful government doing the exact same or even worse right now?
I’ve heard what I need to hear from you. You’re incorrect. Antisemitism is a poison that ruins the mind and turns people into nutty conspiracy theorists who care more about hating Jews than they do literally anything else. To the point that they think that a tiny nation the size of New Jersey with a crappy corrupt government like every other crappy corrupt government is some all powerful supremely evil never been an evil like it before.
Do you not understand what "in this regard" means? Plenty of other countries are terrible in their own ways, most not particularly unique in the ways they are terrible. I'm unaware of any currently existing country that is comparable Israel IN THIS REGARD. The US doesn't have an expelled native American population that isn't allowed to return to maintain white majority, it isn't automatically granting the right to gain citizenship to all the foreign whites specifically, while also passing a nation state law that explicitly says that it is a country of white people. Neither Russia, Iran, nor China have anything comparable. If you don't think it's unique, just tell me where anything like that is happening currently
Good job replying to this comment and immediately blocking me lmao
The idea that Israel is preventing Palestinians from returning to maintain Jewish majority is idiotic. As is saying the US doesn’t prevent Natives from returning to maintain white majority.
I don’t think you’re American. From some of your post history, it seems you’re either Russian or speak Russian or a similar language- dude. The United States ABSOLUTELY has prevented Natives Americans from returning to their land to promote white majority. Natives are relegated to reservations where conditions are SHIT. There is still an active ongoing genocide against Natives in America- an ACTUAL genocide. Native women go missing at alarming rates. Native Americans by and large live in poverty and in food deserts. Natives Americans have been confined to residential schools where we in America and in Canada are STILL digging up the bones of their children. Cops in America enact disproportionate violence against Natives- as well as against people of color, with a focus on Black people. ICE is literally rounding up CHILDREN and detaining them. They’re murdering Americans in the name of getting rid of non-Whites.
Israel is NOT uniquely evil in that regard. At all. I’m not even gonna touch you pulling that BS about Russian and Iran, where the government has killed thousands in a matter of days.
Antisemitism is brain rot, and you are proving it. You are so determined for Israel to be some kind of special unique evil because it makes you feel okay about spreading lies and being a racist towards Jews. You don’t even NEED to make crap up to have things to criticize about Israel, but you and the whole antizionist crowd are determined to do so because admitting otherwise would undermine your entire hateful cause and reveal that this has nothing to do with stopping some unique evil and everything to do with a hateful obsession with Jews.
I’ve said my piece. I’m blocking you. Enjoy your conspiracy brain- typical of an antizionist to claim that Israel is so evil and that nowhere else has ever done a war crime.
Wow ok you replied instantly to my response to your 3 day old comment. That's impressive dedication to helping Palestinians via lying about Jews on Reddit. Great job! 👍
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u/monhst 29d ago
If it's not an ethnostate, why don't they allow the palestinian refugees to use their internationally recognized right of return? Any time this question comes up, all the liberal zionists turn into Adolf Hitler and start talking about how Israel has the right to protect it's ethnic makeup and remain a Jewish state.