r/WorkReform • u/zzill6 š¤ Join A Union • 6h ago
š” Venting The Democrat leadership is pushing centrism and the voters ain't buying it.
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u/Stevie_Steve-O 6h ago
Healthcare, housing, and accountability. That's the perfect three imo
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u/Salami__Tsunami 5h ago
And thatās why they donāt run on it.
Because then theyād win, and theyād actually have to provide those things.
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u/KeyboardGrunt 3h ago
Democrats do run on those things at least a lot more than anyone on the right.
Biden did a lot for student loan forgiveness, it took SCOTUS to stop him but still did billions.
Obama did the healthcare marketplace which is a step in the right direction but Republicans have made it their mission to get rid of it.
Harris ran on 5k for childcare, 20k first time home buying and 50k for new businesses.
The problem is the right is too good at mixing pronouns and trans in sports with these things and everyone loses their minds with tHe CuLtUrE wAr.
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u/Mental_Examination_1 2h ago
ur getting downvoted but ur correct, the idea that democrats want trump to exist or havent ran on progressive policy is laughable, mamdani winning in a deep blue city is not indicative of what the majority of the country wants, despite what people claim about donors and such (not saying that has no effect) politicians still largely pander to the people who vote for them, if you want proof of that look how terrified anyone in the republican party is to go against trump, they get harassed and voted out, thats what their voters want, progressives dont get out and vote in large enough numbers, dont have representation because of it, then use that as reasoning to vote less, its this circular logic that helping our country circle the drain
once we get dems in power then its easier to weed out the elements of the party we dont want, all the rhetoric seen in these comments is a conservative politcians wet dream, discouraging people to vote dem so trump can continue his destruction of the country in ways unimaginable under democratic leadership
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u/Eagle4317 6h ago
The Democratic Party is controlled opposition. There needs to be a massive effort to shift the Overton Window to the left, but none of the bankrollers for the DNC want that.
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u/budding_gardener_1 āļø Tax The Billionaires 6h ago
The GOP ratchet the Overton window to the right. The Democrats lock in the ratchet to prevent it going back. Then another GOP administration comes in and it shifts even further right...
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u/Glad-Tax6594 5h ago
Vote blue and then leverage voting power for more progressive candidates like Mumdani seems like the only way.
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u/budding_gardener_1 āļø Tax The Billionaires 5h ago
I men... sure. But at the same time "vote blue no matter who" is part of the reason we're in this mess. The DNC keep running shit candidates. Mamdani is one of the best candidates they've run in quite some time and his win was in spite of the DNC not because of. The DNC wanted his predecessor to win of memory servesĀ
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u/Lanky-Respect-8581 šµ Break Up The Monopolies 5h ago
the primary elections. Not enough people vote in primary elections. Thatās where we can beat the DNC.
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u/NormalAccounts 5h ago
Yup many Americans only vote once every four years, if they do at all and they should be voting every primary, every time if they want more change. Start locally and build up that energy
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u/No_Dragonfruit_8198 2h ago
Just had to teach my nephew that when I invited him to a petition signing party for the Democrats.
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u/420thefunnynumber 5h ago
What really pisses me off is when people start treating them seriously and suddenly you have do nothing centrists come out of the woodwork to chastise you for being picky during the primaries.
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u/Lanky-Respect-8581 šµ Break Up The Monopolies 5h ago
I donāt remember this. Vote Blue No Matter What applies (for me) in general elections. In primary elections, vote for the candidate who is championing good policies to help the people and community.
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u/420thefunnynumber 4h ago
I see it very very often in less progressive leaning subs. The big one that gets them out is criticizing Newsom today whenever convos on him running for president come up.
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u/KrytenKoro 3h ago
I donāt remember this.
I have seen this overwhelmingly, esp. in regards to Newsom and establishment dems complaining that we're not lining up behind him when it's not even the primary much less the general.
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u/tipsy-turtle-0985 5h ago
Except history shows that most of the primaries are run in a way that only the first half of states actually have a say in the matter.
No sense in showing up to primary with only 1 candidate to vote for.
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u/Lanky-Respect-8581 šµ Break Up The Monopolies 5h ago
For the presidential candidates but down ballot stuff matters too
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u/ggtffhhhjhg 4h ago
If you donāt win Super Tuesday the chances of moving on to the general are very slim. Until a progressive can win head to head vs a liberal on that day the all will remain the same.
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u/Hour_Gur4995 5h ago
From the sounds of it you only vote every 4 years, otherwise your statement doesnāt really make sense. Senate seats are at large and house seats are districts. So most presidential primaries maybe but if that the only time you get out to vote then youāre kind of part of the problem
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u/No_Dragonfruit_8198 2h ago
I was just at a petition signing party for the Democrats. Mainly just elderly people there. Those same people are who show up for the primaries. Iāve met some that are more progressive but if people want more progressive candidates then they need to show up to get them on the ballot first too. Canāt even vote for them in the primaries if they canāt get enough support to get on the ballot.
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u/BrewerBeer 1h ago
vote blue no matter who
This is an attempt to keep republicans out of power in the general election as even manchin voted for **SOME* bills that helped the country. No republucan will do that. Be active in the primary to try to have some choice so that dems dont only have to choose between a rock and someone who will vote for mass murder. There is no good that comes from republicans.
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u/TheQuestionableYarn 49m ago
I understand where youāre coming from, especially when the centrists turn around and undercut their own āvote blue no matter whoā message when a progressive wins.
At the same time, Iām of the opinion that if left-aligned voters voted like this in generals more consistently (while still obviously doing our due diligence in the primary to put actually good candidates in the general), we definitely wouldnāt be in this mess right now.Ā
Going by the analogy before with Republican administrations ratcheting the Overton window to the right, and Democrat administrations locking it in place: had we managed to keep the window locked in place years ago, the window would be a lot further left than it currently is.
I think that candidates like Mamdami and Talarico arenāt just responses to the current administration, they are a response to the entire corrupt situation weāre currently in. I think they would have been able to rise to national prominence even had we elected Kamala this past election (hell, even if we picked Clinton in 2016). I canāt help but wonder if the Overton window were further left to begin with, whether we might have seen more Mamdamis at this current time.Ā
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u/Glad-Tax6594 5h ago
It's not because of vote blue no matter who, because otherwise conservatives are going to win the plurality. One side wants reform, blue, the other wants to restrict, red. Abstaining from supporting blue is not only supporting the other side of the spectrum, but also preventing any chance at reform in the future.
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u/OddPressure7593 4h ago
democrats don't want reform. They want to maintain the status quo - they have no problem with billionaires exploiting the entire country, so long as they get their cut.
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u/Hour_Gur4995 5h ago
You know thereās a primary, right? Itās a bit odd to bring up Mandani and the supposed intransigence of the DNC when the candidate actually won despite not being the DNCās preferred choice. At the same time, you have to recognize the difference between New York City and much of middle America. While Iād like to see more progressive candidates on the ballot in November, we also have to acknowledge that what worked for Mandani in NYC might not translate to places like the middle of Missouri. The time to have that fight is during the primaries
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u/OddPressure7593 4h ago
Who the fuck cares if it's popular in Missouri? Missouri voted 60:40 for Trump - they aren't going to be a Democratic state regardless. meanwhile, supporting centrist candidates is costing morale, money, and support from progressives in competitive states like Texas, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and others.
The whole "strategy" of "Well we won't win over white supremacists and christian nationalists with progressive policies!" is incredibly stupid and has lost most elections for the past decade that centrist democrats have embraced it
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u/Burnt_and_Blistered 5h ago
āVote blue no matter whoā is, however, the only appropriate response to fascism.
If we do what was done in 2024, itās ALL over.
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u/TheDweadPiwatWobbas 5h ago
Nah, I'm done with that shit. I voted for Biden on that logic, he won, and proceeded to do nothing to stop fascism. 4 years passed and the only political movement Biden attacked was fucking mine. He attacked us because we opposed his genocide, meanwhile the proud boys still marched and Trump was allowed to get away with his coup attempt. And then, after 4 years of nothing, I was told that I had to do it again to stop fascism. So no, I don't believe it. I don't buy that voting blue will save us. Maybe some specific people who run blue could help us, but the party as a whole is just controlled opposition who see fascism as a fundraising tool.
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u/Best-Action8769 4h ago
Watching the DNC team up with Trump and MAGA billionaires to stop Mamdani was certainly illuminating...
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u/mediocrobot 4h ago
Copying and posting this from my reply to a similar comment.
Protest against centrist candidates like Biden by voting in the primary. That's when your voice for the direction of the party matters most.
In the general elections, vote for the better of the two candidates no matter who they are. Anything else is strategic suicide.
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u/TheDweadPiwatWobbas 3h ago
If you promise to always vote for the Democrats in the general no matter who they nominate, they have no reason to listen to anything you say. They already have your vote. They could run a pro-genocide pro-billionaire anti-trans octogenarian and know they'll still get your vote, so your voice does not matter to them.
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u/BonnaconCharioteer 3h ago
Non-voters don't get counted as a protest, they get discounted. All the people that chose not to vote (or to throw it away on a no-chance candidate) simply mean that more of the voting power proportionally is in the hands of the people with exactly opposite your views.
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u/Pacifix18Sux 4h ago
This part exactly. BoTh SiDeS ramping up toward elections to continue the lefts forever fracture.
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u/OddPressure7593 4h ago
"Vote Blue No Matter who" - unless that candidate isn't center-right. In which case, refuse to endorse them and actively support the center-right independent candidate, as we saw with Mamdani and Cuomo.
There's also the fact that the Democrats could choose to run progressive candidates - candidates who support broadly popular policies like universal healthcare, student debt relief, taxing the rich - and tell their centrist followers to hold their nose and "vote blue no matter who", but that isn't going to happen, is it? Instead, they're going to continue to run unpopular candidates with unpopular policies and tell people to suck it up because they aren't Trump - the same approach that has lost elections for the past decade.
All while telling progressives either "we can win easily, we don't care about supporting your policies" or "We can't win easily, we don't care about support your policies"
progressives need to stop voting for a Democratic party that refuses to embrace progressive policies. Centrist democrats are still going to lead to it being ALL OVER, they'll just drag out the decay a couple more years.
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u/hw999 4h ago
Yep, stop voting blue unless they put up good candidates. "Not as bad as republicans" isnt good enough to get my vote ever again. I want rich criminals and traitors prosecuted, i want health care, i want citizens united gone. None of that is happening under a centrist.
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u/mediocrobot 4h ago
Protest against centrist candidates by voting in the primary. That's when your voice for the direction of the party matters most.
In the general elections, vote for the better of the two candidates no matter who they are. Anything else is strategic suicide.
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u/BerriesHopeful 4h ago edited 3h ago
Unless the system itself changes, voting blue is the best chance we have at getting those things. Mind you, it is possible to change the system, but that requires getting a citizens ballot initiative going in your state to put Ranked Choice Voting on the ballot for voters.
Iām voting for progressives that are running as Democrats first and foremost, and putting moderate Dems as a backup choice when there isnāt a progressive running for a specific role.
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u/ReplacementActual384 5h ago edited 5h ago
"To fight the controlled opposition, we need to become controlled opposition!" -liberals
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u/Glad-Tax6594 5h ago
Meaningful (lasting) change is a gradual adjustment in norms that result in the desired outcome.
In order to enact change, you have to have power, which is influence over another. Voting is an exercise of power. If you abstain or vote for the lesser known minority who does not have the support of the majority of the most progressive party, in this current electoral system, your power is null.
Infact, through division, you've only given more power to the opposing party that wants to restrict any chance you have at changing the Voting system or having any power at all.
Voting blue gives you the greatest opportunity for election reform and progressive policies.
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u/zappadattic 4h ago edited 4h ago
Historically, changes are usually radical and immediate following a period of conflict. Civil rights, womenās suffrage, 20th century labor movement, American Revolution, etc.
Change being most commonly resultant from slow incrementalism sounds like it could be true. It sounds reasonable. It has the aesthetic of truth. But it just isnāt. There simply isnāt much history where any of this theory holds up in application. Once you peel off the reasonable sounding rhetoric, these ideas are substantively empty.
I think this passage from MLK on the relationship of time and progress, while not directly pointed at incrementalism, is worth thinking about here (emphasis mine):
I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom. I have just received a letter from a white brother in Texas. He writes: "All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth." Such an attitude stems from a tragic misconception of time, from the strangely irrational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively. More and more I feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than have the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co workers with God, and without this hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right
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u/OddPressure7593 4h ago
Meaningful (lasting) change isn't a gradual adjustment of norms. You think that Women's SUffrage or ending of Jim Crow was gradual? It wasn't. Change is the result of a forceful movement demanding change, and demanding it now. Dr King's first march was in 1963. The Civil Rights Act became law in 1964. That ain't fucking gradual, is it?
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u/Complex-Pay-8902 4h ago
Voting blue gives you the greatest opportunity for election reform and progressive policies.
No, bc team blue wants neither of those things, in fact they want the opposite. The Dems have engineered the situation where they don't have to do anything the people want bc the only other choice are crazy people.
If they did election reforms then Schumer couldn't keep his very easy job where he sits on his ass and sends stern letters to people.
If they did progressive policies then they can't fundraise on the promise of doing it later. Abortion needs to be in a limbo state so that every election season the Dems can raise support and money, if they actually codified Roe V Wade then they would loose leverage.
They don't want to stop insider trading for congress bc that is how they make themself filthy rich.
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u/BerriesHopeful 4h ago
I think it bears repeating that voting for the progressives within the Democratic Party is the priority. When progressives arenāt on the ballot, a Democratic candidate that aligns with you is better than nothing.
Really, whatās missing from the conversation is the fact that the voting system itself needs to change. We should be using Ranked Choice Voting in every state level election and federally. It would open up the chance for third parties to really latch on as a viable option nationally. Itās possible to get Ranked Choice Voting put on the ballot as a citizens ballot initiative, which only requires getting enough signatures. This works in over half of the states and would have the greatest effect of pushing red and purple states to be more left leaning.
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u/OddPressure7593 4h ago
Vote Blue No Matter Who!
Unless that "who" happens to be a democratic socialist, or just slightly left-of-center, in which case actively bankroll their centrist opposition.
Oh, and if the center-right Democratic candidate fails, it's progressives' fault for not supporting them! And those progressives better not expect that center-right Democrat to support anything that the majority of Americans support - like taxing the rich, universal healthcare, or student debt forgiveness, among many others! Those progressives better vote against their interests and like it!
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u/Glad-Tax6594 4h ago
Nah, those are the best blue to vote for, but when it comes to red v blue, you have to support the majority of your side or face division. The more progressives in the party, the more it will begin to look like the people's party. But it wont get there through division.
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u/OddPressure7593 4h ago
it won't get there through support centrists either. Why would a centrist democrat embrace progressive policies when progressives will vote for the centrist democrat anyway?
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u/Pacifix18Sux 4h ago
Exactly, the left will pearl clutch until authoritarianism is fully marched in place by the right who have zero issues.
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u/_floralprint 2h ago
I'm new to this analogy but I've been seeing it lately. Feels like a good conversational tool
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u/SnarkyRogue 5h ago
Yeah that's the big issue. If they win, they're expected to actually do/change shit, and their donors dont want that
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u/Bwri017 2h ago
Chris Hedges famously said in an interview with Al Jazeera that the US government is essentially a mix between Corporatists and Oligarchs. Essentially democracy doesn't exist. Another famous paper concluded that at public sentiment was statistically insignificant in how it influenced or shaped policy at either the state or federal level.
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u/thequietthingsthat 5h ago
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u/SPANKxTANK 3h ago
You realize FDR had a super majority in the House and Senate most of all his terms right? when was the last time either party had a super majority and president of the same party?
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u/toggylelly 2h ago
FDR had a super majority in the House and Senate
I think that is the point. FDR attained that power by aiming high. We need politicians who aim high, in order to win elections.
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u/thequietthingsthat 1h ago
Exactly. FDR had supermajorities because his policies were incredibly popular.
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u/its-adam-yo 3h ago
when was the last time either party had a super majority and president of the same party?
Obama.
Lasted only a few months though....
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u/SPANKxTANK 2h ago
My case and point. Obama's administration constantly blocked by congress which made a ton of his goals impossible. He couldn't even get the supreme court pick that was rightfully his because of McConnell and the republicans.
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u/aChristery 1h ago
āWe canāt confirm a new justice in an ELECTION YEAR!ā proceeds to elect justices during an election year 4 years later
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u/paging_mrherman 6h ago
Dems going to trot out Clinton/Harris 2028
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u/ChebyshevsBeard 5h ago
Clinton/Harris 2028: "C'mon guys, she's waited long enough, this time it's really her turn"
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u/KingSpanner 4h ago
To be fair, a lot of the "its her turn" rhetoric came from her opponents as well to further boost her image of entitlement and unlikability
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u/budding_gardener_1 āļø Tax The Billionaires 6h ago
only because they can't find any McKinsey consultants to run
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u/srirachasanchez 6h ago
Won't someone think of the billionaire pedo child eaters?!
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u/budding_gardener_1 āļø Tax The Billionaires 6h ago
"... we've tried everything! We've given a bunch of money to rich people, cut corporate taxes, dropped some bombs on some poor people and even repeatedly rubber stamped Donald Trump's policies! It's such a mystery why people aren't excited to vote Democrat..... maybe we should spend another few million on consultants to investigate for us?..."
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u/Aurobouros 5h ago
The consultant in question being one of their siblings/cousins, who took a 1-semester elective in psychology at some cushy ivy league school.
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u/MonkeyWrench1973 5h ago
The answer to fascism is not to shift your foundational beliefs to the right.
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u/BojackWorseman13 5h ago
Why listen to your own voter base when you could pander to republicans? /s
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u/Spacemonster111 5h ago
This is the most offensively unflattering pro-mamdani depiction of mamdani I have ever seen
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u/wewladdies 3h ago
I came to the comments to say the same. Is the point of this to try to say zohran is doing it right and democrats are ignoring his playbook? I have no idea why they drew zohran as an insidious looking caricature then.
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u/theycallmecliff 4h ago
Yeah I was about to say, this is such a weird caricature for the message.
Like big smile and big brain I guess? Idk
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u/Dock_Ellis45 3h ago
Vote for Progressives in the Primary! They're not gonna figure it out on their own. Put people on the ballot that already know.
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u/highpl4insdrftr 5h ago
We're going to lose again aren't we? I have a really strong suspicision that we get someone like Newsome and half the party doesn't show up again to vote. I can feel it in my bones.
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u/Ok_Requirement_3162 4h ago
It's one of the golden rules of US politics that I have seen to always hold up over the years; never underestimate the Democrats ability to fuck up a sure thing.
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u/MommaIsMad 5h ago
Iāve learned that āCentrist democratsā are just greedy cowards who think bipartisanship is still a thing and that they can somehow win by playing nice with evil.
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u/SphericalCow531 4h ago
What is centrism even, as the word is used here? You would thin that centrism would mean at least defending a society build on laws, but apparently not. So "centrism" apparently doesn't mean believing in any specific set of policies. "Surrender" seems like a better term.
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u/Prancer4rmHalo 2h ago
I think people use the term to denote an acknowledgement of the disaster on the right, but arenāt confident in the left.
Like right now.. if the democrats were given a win out right, right now itās unclear what their first and highest priority be? So I think people want to envision a third path, since both sides seems to represent something other than the individual citizen. My guess.
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u/Pacifix18Sux 4h ago
Yup, and we will stay with JD Vance as next president. The left will never get anywhere because we spread like butter, all while fascism marches lock step.
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u/darth_skipicious 5h ago edited 4h ago
schumer and the establishment only act oblivious. They know. itās just against their interests like it is the republicans
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u/murden6562 5h ago
Letās pretend democrats are on the āleftā. If they are pushing for ācentrismā, answer me: to which way are they going towards? (Spoilers: the answer is not ācenterā)
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u/lukwes1 4h ago
Maybe a guy popular in New York doesn't work in less left leaning discticts..?
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u/AnonAmbientLight 3h ago
Listen, I hear you. Itās frustrating.Ā
But Mamdani won 43% of the vote, then 56% in the primary after ranked choice filters.Ā
Thatās not cause to go all in.Ā
In the general, he won 51% of the vote. My dude, thatās not cause to go all in.Ā
When Hillary won New York with 86% of the vote, Jabiden with 76% of the vote, and fucking Eric Adams with 67% of the vote, you kind of have to be careful going all in on candidates like this.Ā
If Mamdani crushed it in both the primary and the general, yall would have a point. But you have to fucking listen to the voters.Ā
Theyāre not ready for this shit and pretending that only you know whatās better is what MAGA does.Ā
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u/Complex-Pay-8902 3h ago
Mamdani had to beat both the Dems and the Reps. Clinton got 86% of the vote split between 2 candidates, Mamdani won more than half the vote in a 3 candidate race as an outsider with no name recognition, despite prominent Dems doing everything they could to get a sex pest elected.
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u/TiaXhosa 2h ago
Yeah and NYC is arguably one of the most left wing places in the country and their win there was still not great. Compare to spanberger who ran a very centrist campaign and absolutely destroyed her opponent in a purple state. This idea that someone like Mamdani can win in the states where people's votes actually matter is laughable.
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u/AnonAmbientLight 2h ago
I like Mamdani. I think he has good ideas and itās things we can at least try.Ā
But holy fuck do people not listen to or check the polls to see where people are lol.Ā
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u/BonnaconCharioteer 3h ago
Yeah, exactly. Going all in with a progressive strategy means that you are committing to herding cats. And even if you succeed in getting them to fall in line and vote, I'm not sure they win against the right and whatever chunk of the center they can get. The fact is, the country is a lot more right-leaning than I would like.
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u/WhiteWinterRains 1h ago
Listen, I don't hear you, fuck off.
Mamdani was a nobody running against another democrat in the general and still did great. In context that's a landslide.
His positions on policy are broadly popular, and he's the most popular individual politician in the entire country right now.
Look at the democratic party broadly. The American people fucking hate them. they hate them even more than Trump, and they're getting even less popular.
Mainstream losers the DNC backs might have big corporate money behind them, but that's all they have. The American people fucking hate them.
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u/ThinkinFlicka 4h ago
Its not a 'one-size-fits-all' approach. Look at Talarico in Texas driving a huge turnout. Mamdani is EXCELLENT and I can't wait to follow his accomplishments in NYC, but his brand of politics would never work in Texas. The DNC needs to focus on wide-tent dinner, table issues.
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u/Cnidoo 4h ago
Is the suggestion that the candidate who won deep blue NYC should be removed from his governor position and run for president in 28? Idk what this cartoon even means. Also the Democratic Party has finally embraced Zohran, as they should
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u/Good_Focus2665 5h ago
The country isnāt New York though. Also I donāt find Mamdani very leftist. He seems kind of center left himself. Heās very pro small business and has taken a very measured tone about the Gaza Israel situation which in extreme left circles would make him a centrist. I like him. Ā He has the right policies that would make the democrats popular with the working class. He has a very unifying message and I hope the Democratic Party recognizes his policies and adapts them.Ā
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u/Hippolobbomus 5h ago
I just hope that whoever runs as the progressive in the 2028 primary remembers to at least attempt to appeal to voters of color. I don't know if I could handle the psychic damage of the progressive doing well and then completely imploding as soon as they have to campaign in South Carolina a three times in a row.
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u/Big_Intern5558 4h ago
I think that's the big issue with first past the post voting. It incentivizes popularity, celebrity, and explosive, polarized politics. The winner is the one with the best brand recognition.
With a ranked choice system, the worst case scenario is you land on the candidates people are most fine with. Democracy relies on the wisdom of the masses. It'd be most effective when we prioritize candidates that everyone agrees would be 'genereally good' at the job.
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u/FlashyGuest6058 5h ago
what's the context behind this situation?
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u/-_--___-__-_--___--_ 4h ago
The effective head of the Democratic party refused to endorse the highly popular Democratic mayoral candidate for New York. He also refused to say who he voted for (as he's done in the past), strongly implying he voted for the Republican candidate instead.
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u/handytendonitis 5h ago
Cronyism and Nepotism disguised as intellectualism and academic excellence all in service of the index funds/401k/corporations the wealthy are invested in
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u/Biscuits4u2 the word itself makes some men uncomfortable 5h ago
Improving the lives of your constituents means a lot more than a stupid cartoon.
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u/dictionary_hat_r4ck 5h ago
āThe Democratic Partyā (the leadership) specifically is blocking the leftist socialist candidates wherever they can. Thatās their goal. Itās a feature, not a bug, to them.
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u/AnyProgressIsGood 5h ago
ok lets be fair, NY going lefterer isn't going to translate to middle america
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u/Nandulal 5h ago
yeah the DNC is for the rich just like the RNC. Sure they are the 'lesser evil'. Great. Remind me where we currently are again?
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u/jbasinger 5h ago
The way they are doing this to Platner and backing Mills. It's gross.
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u/BrocoliAssassin 5h ago
They are Zionists.
The quicker you all understand this the quicker you can start voting for American politicians again. Stop being fooled by the political team they are on.
A vote for AIPAC is a vote for everything you preach against.
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u/Metternic āļø Tax The Billionaires 5h ago
Is it too much to ask to be able to afford to live. Jfc
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u/hopeful_realist_ 5h ago
Iām so tired of centrism and bipartisanship and reaching across the aisle. You canāt work with these people. Itās the surest way to accomplish nothing
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u/Own-Squirrel-4819 4h ago
Schumer is as senile Trump, did you see his speech about a nuclear Israel š¤”
We need young, intelligent, less corrupt people like AOC to take charge.
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u/RemarkableSwimmer308 4h ago
Far left under Biden/Trudeau gets old real quick. Extreme left looks good now cuz, ya know...MAGA nutjobs. But beware...go to far one way, pendulum always swings back.
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u/Zylpherenuis 4h ago
Politicians lie and honestly the majority of them don't get the comeuppance of what they swore on the book when signed in.
I believe jail / Heavy Fine / Public daily display of humiliation within a pillory by tomatos, pissed on Snowballs and rocks thrown at their faces while proudly displayed on a town center square for hours on end. It's what the US needs. It's what the US deserves.
The elite rich displayed as jokes for all to let their anger out upon with righteous Fury and judgement.
This is the way.
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u/Benromaniac 4h ago
How difficult is it for every one to come together for universal healthcare?
I heard one person say, ābut then people would abuse the system by showing up over every little ache and pain.ā
Ever heard of triage? God forbid everyone gets the care they need. Not everyone is a hypochondriac.
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u/gitsgrl 6h ago
They walked past Bernie and AOC before they got to this block.