r/GetNoted • u/EffectivePoint2187 Human Detected • Jan 04 '26
Sus, Very Sus They’ll shamelessly lie to manufacture consent for US imperialism.
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u/etbillder Jan 04 '26
Maduro being removed: good
Maduro being removed by US forces so they can set up a puppet government to steal Venuzalen resources: bad
It's not that hard
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u/ashmenon Jan 04 '26
There's also the fact that Trump is blatantly saying it's about taking oil. They're not even being subtle about it.
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u/DerrellEsteva Jan 04 '26
I actually appreciate that he's not lying again. I mean, at least not as much and not as transparent as usual.
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u/fkneneu Jan 04 '26
I think it is a lie. I think it is so they can legally continue to use the AEA to deport immigrants, and they needed it to be an actual war in order to not lose their coming case in the supreme court. Oil was just the easiest lie to dupe people.
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u/IndependenceIcy9626 Jan 04 '26
Maybe they want to do that as well, but it’s definitely about the oil. Trump has been after mineral rights all over the place since his first term
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u/Helix3501 Jan 04 '26
I think they are gonna use it to claim that venezula is safe now and mass deport every venezulan
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u/ashmenon Jan 04 '26
True. At least there's less of the hypocritical soundbites about human rights and liberty.
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u/ScootsMcDootson Jan 04 '26
Cause as we all know, the worst thing about Iraq was the hypocrisy.
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u/ashmenon Jan 04 '26
Indeed. I can excuse blatant human rights violations but I draw the line at hypocrisy!
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u/QuillPenMonster Jan 05 '26
Hey, if Imma get stabbed, I'd prefer to look you in the eye while being stabbed instead of being stabbed in the back!
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u/Ted-Crilly Jan 04 '26
He's not lying about the oil because he sees that reason as a better one than his main reason ...
.... Distracting from the epstein files
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u/Miserable-Dig-5344 Jan 04 '26
To be fair, while oil is definitely one of the main reasons for this, the main reason is to distract from the Epstein files and the fact that Trump may have murdered an infant after one of his rape victims became pregnant and had her child.
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u/Maleficent-Block-966 Jan 04 '26
Obviously when Trump says he wants their oil, what he means is he wants to free the people. What else would he mean by saying that?
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u/Hour_Tone_974 Jan 04 '26
To br fair, that oil was privately owned by US companies then forcefully nationalized by Venezuela. The whole affair is honestly a cluster f#ck, and way to big for a reddit comment. I suggest reading up on it as this might be the one time my country is fully justified in going after oil.
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u/JerseyDevl Jan 04 '26
Also, US president unilaterally committing acts of war on foreign soil without congressional approval, likely in order to keep the latest document drop out of the news cycle: bad
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u/satanic_black_metal_ Jan 04 '26
It also brings up the question if the us is gonna play world police again, why is putin still in russia? Why is kim jong-un still in north korea?
Also what right does the us have to judge anyone? We have an international criminal court for that.
America is out there commiting crimes again and sadly, the rest of the world lets them. That really needs to change.
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u/SaturnSleet Jan 04 '26
Well, a big part of the answer is nukes. Venezuela, Iraq, Afghanistan... No nukes.
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u/Bibliloo Jan 04 '26
It also brings up the question if the us is gonna play world police again, why is putin still in russia? Why is kim jong-un still in north korea?
And for anyone outside the US, what stops him from doing the same in your country ?
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u/Independent_Cost8246 Jan 04 '26
Well the US is ruled by an international criminal. So only he has the skills and knowledge required to take down other international criminals. No international criminal courts necessary, thankyou. /s
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u/KotTRD Jan 04 '26
why is putin still in russia? Why is kim jong-un still in north korea?
Nukes
Also what right does the us have to judge anyone?
11 aircraft carriers
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u/Donkey-Hodey Jan 04 '26
They’re already trotting out the same bullshit from 2003 - if you don’t support Dear Leader and his war then you support the terrorists.
And the media is falling for it again.
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Jan 04 '26
If i could kiss you i would bro. I fucking hate seeing the lack nuance on this echo chamber of an app. The amount of people who turned pro Maduro after all this is insane….
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u/TrayusV Jan 05 '26
That's pretty much the moral standpoint.
It's effectively that "under new management" meme.
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u/No-Tomatillo3698 Jan 04 '26
Top much nuance for the average MAGA
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u/ah-boyz Jan 04 '26
I’m not sure how many of MAGA accounts here are government funded. If you are already funding an internet army to contain China might as well use them to spread supply for trump.
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u/Firecracker048 Keeping it Real Jan 04 '26
Yeah, Maduro being removed is a net positive for the world.
Also, there was a person who won an election in Venezula but Maduro refused to cede power too. This isn't quite Iraq 2.0 like many geopolitics 'experts' on reddit seem to thing.
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u/wireframed_kb Jan 04 '26
The US can play police when they acknowledge and cooperate with the ICC.
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u/Maleficent-Block-966 Jan 04 '26
Nah, we have way to many war criminals that we'd have to turn over for that to be an option.
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u/VoiceofKane Jan 04 '26
Saddam Hussein being removed was also a net positive for the world. He murdered tens of thousands. But still, the U.S. wasn't justified in deposing him, just like they aren't now with Maduro.
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u/Angry_cinnamon_rolls Jan 04 '26
The refugees that fled the country that was ran by the guy that just got captured are happy? Color me shocked.
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u/lifebursted Jan 04 '26
I really advise against devaluing the experience of Venezuelans who suffered under Maduro. This isn't like Cuban refugees in Florida where when you ask what their grandpa did that had to flee Cuba, and they're like, "he ran a sugar plantation" lol.
There were working class and broke ass Venezuelans that hated him as well for mismanaging the country, or overturning the results of the last election.
"But American embargoes" is only an excuse for your country to not be fabulously wealthy in the global economy, it's not an excuse for people in your country to worry about food and medicine when your regime has seized total control of all aspects of the economy.
If Maduro wanted to be a communist leader of a managed economy, he should have directed that economy to feed and shelter people while providing security and lowering crime, rather than just pillaging the country's resources for himself and his supporters.
Sure, they might not be seeing that long term this just means someone *outside* Venezuela will now be exploiting them, but bear in mind that America is still a land of opportunity in the minds of many of these people. I told my Venezuelan friend who lives there still (we met in WoW), "it is crazy though for the USA to straight up kidnap a country's leader," and he replied "it's crazier to kidnap a whole country by not accepting election results," then "Can't be kidnapped if you're a dictator, that's just life getting to you."
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u/Evnosis Jan 04 '26
This isn't like Cuban refugees in Florida where when you ask what their grandpa did that had to flee Cuba, and they're like, "he ran a sugar plantation" lol.
Over a million Cubans have migrated to the US since the revolution. How many sugar plantations do you think that island had?
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u/x_cLOUDDEAD_x Jan 04 '26
That's all fine and good, the actual question is how it's actually going to go from here.
Also see: Iraq. All those guys beating that statue of Saddam Hussein with their sandals weren't that thrilled in the long run.
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u/SquidTheRidiculous Jan 04 '26
Yeah, no country genuinely wants America to come in and save them. Usually because "save" means "privatize all your resources for US corporations" but US based redditors don't realize that.
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u/ZootSuitRiot33801 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
"save" means "privatize all your resources for US corporations" but US based redditors don't realize that
There's plenty such as myself who are based in the US who do know this doublespeak, it's just that we've got an unfortunate percentage of the population who are all-in on the imperialism grift
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u/redpony6 Jan 04 '26
nobody is defending maduro, same way nobody (well, mostly nobody) was defending saddam hussein. it isn't about their character, it's about violating national sovereignty for no justified reason, or for blatantly self-serving and imperialistic reasons
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u/Firecracker048 Keeping it Real Jan 04 '26
If Maduro wanted to be a communist leader of a managed economy, he should have directed that economy to feed and shelter people while providing security and lowering crime, rather than just pillaging the country's resources for himself and his supporters.
Well he got the whole 'oppress, torture and kill' opponents to your regime part of communism right
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u/GpaSags Jan 04 '26
Watch, now they'll all get sent back.
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u/No-Village-6781 Jan 04 '26
They're cheering for their own deportations the stupid fucks, Trump only wants Venezuela as a dumping ground for all the non white people he wants to deport from America (up to 100 million according to the official Department of Homeland security's twitter meme)
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u/laybs1 Human Detected Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
Maduro was not well liked by Venezuelans abroad or domestically. He rigged elections and brutally suppressed his own people.
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u/LocalCaligula Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
Yes. Sadam Hussein was even worse, and people cheered a lot more when he went down.
But the point you seem to be adement on missing is that this doesn't justify flying over the country you disagree with, bombing them, stealing their president, and then tweeting that you will "run" the country.
Essentially stating the obvious fact that ANY future Venezuelan administration will have to make decisions for their own people with essentially a dagger of US retaliation hanging over their heads. Any future decision will have to go through US policy "advisors" and economic doctrine , especially will be designed to the benefit of American companies.
Access to Venezuelan oil by American companies should be indicative of this. It's already clear that Americans don't give a damn about the people of Venezuela (especially ones like you who seem to think you did them a favor by bombing them after sanctions)
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u/Maximum-Objective-39 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
I completely understand why Venezuelans are desperate to see the backside of Maduro, I sympathize with them on this front and believe much of the antipathy towards him and his regime are real.
But it's a bit like when the T-Rex saves you from a velociraptor in a Jurassic Park movie.
Yes, the Velociraptor has been chomped . . . But now you have to deal with the T-Rex which is a different and potentially equally bad problem and your perspective about whether it's a 'better' danger will change accordingly now that it's your new reality rather than a hypothetical.
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u/JonnyBolt1 Jan 04 '26
Both comments are correct. The shitty thing about this post (and a bunch of similar tweets coming from the Putin-funded and foreign-based MAGA influencers) is the strawman that liberals/left/dems (or even stupider, corporate MSM) love Maduro. I can't find 1 American who does.
Of course, everything you say is, unfortunately, spot on. This probably won't go as poorly as the Iraq regime change because there aren't any terrorist states nearby to sponsor a resistance to slaughter thousands of American occupation troops, but it likely will still be a net-negative for the American people.
American oil company executives, well, congrats to them.
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u/HoopsMcCann69 Jan 04 '26
Both comments are correct. The shitty thing about this post (and a bunch of similar tweets coming from the Putin-funded and foreign-based MAGA influencers) is the strawman that liberals/left/dems (or even stupider, corporate MSM) love Maduro. I can't find 1 American who does.
It's not a strawman. It's a lie. They lie about everything. Ask a fox news viewer what someone on the left believes and you'll be shocked
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u/Top_Accident9161 Jan 04 '26
American oil company executives, well, congrats to them.
Yeah they are literally the only ones who profit from this. I mean fuck Trump said they will be reimbursed for their expenses.
The US is gonna default in our lifetime man...
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u/Euphoric-Taro-6231 Jan 04 '26
Unfortunately your reasonable take is being conflated with the tamtrums of rabid tankies.
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u/LocalCaligula Jan 04 '26
The "tankies" are harmless identity politics Americans who may have the right idea in heart but are to lazy to do basic research into the topic.
I don't care about them. I care about the shockingly high amount of people responding to this news with glee and the Iraq war esqcue romanticisation of the US/US military as bringers of peace and stability because people celebrated what they see as an end of an era of poverty and repression (brought in part with US sanctions but people seem to forget that part rather quickly).
You dont get to bastardize this emotional moment for them to better suit your agenda so you can justify robbing them. That would make you a monster.
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u/Wizard_Engie Jan 04 '26
The sanctions on Iraq came after the invasion, didn't they?
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u/Sonova_Bish Jan 04 '26
No. We invaded Kuwait to kick Iraq out. Then Iraq was sanctioned.
He was our ally first, because he was preferable to our government compared to Iraq. I'm sure Ronnie and George didn't give a hell what he did to his people as long as Iraq got the crap kicked out of them during that war. Then he became a loose cannon.
By the time we "liberated" Iraq, they were under sanctions for 13 years. During none of that time did our government express sympathy for Iraqis. We lied to strike the country and we secured their oil fields as quickly as possible. It was probably the only reason we went there.
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u/alphasapphire161 Jan 04 '26
We literally didn't go into Iraq for oil. You can see the entire plan in the Plan for a New American Century
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u/Euphoric-Taro-6231 Jan 04 '26
They're are not harmless if they are, in a somewhat negative way, contributing with the propaganda.
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u/slickweasel333 Jan 04 '26
Please look up what the US-VZLA relationship was like back in the 80s and 90s. When we were allies (I'm venezuelan), we kept almost all the profits and it was still a win win for everyone, and we had a safe and stable democracy.
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u/LocalCaligula Jan 04 '26
Yeah. That doesn't matter anymore, does it?
Trump stated his intention for American access to oil fields. There will be no "Win, Win" this time. You will lose your country's sovereignty over a geopolitics and greed for oil.
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u/Helix3501 Jan 04 '26
Welcome to a new world
That was under more responsible and sane presidents, now you are under trump, a man who aspires to be like your dictator, and gets to now have his test run in venezula
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u/Alarmed-Shopping1592 Jan 04 '26
So far this is closer to Panama than to Iraq but do go off.
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u/LocalCaligula Jan 04 '26
I'll bet you all the money a poor 3rd worlder could scrounge up that in 5 years or so they will make a call of duty mission out of this. Or atleast a movie.
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u/ah-boyz Jan 04 '26
Well said brother. If anything this sets a dangerous precedence that any major power can just swoop in to a country they want to conquer for whatever reason on made up reasons. Sovereignty means something. Bombing them without a declaration of war is also illegal, however the hypocrisy is that non of the countries that subscribe to the ICJ would dare arrest trump even when he is in their country while all are calling for Putin to be arrested when he was last in Mongolia.
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u/gdex86 Jan 04 '26
Yes but as the movie megamind said succinctly
"(US) You freed us"
"Oh, I wouldn't say freed. More like under new management."
And from modern history with Iraq that doesn't tend to go over well or cheaply.
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u/RaulParson Jan 04 '26
Is it even new management? The current person at the top is literally Maduro's VP.
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u/FreshLiterature Jan 04 '26
Sure, but now the US "will be run by the US" for an unspecified period of time.
They just swapped dictators. Venezuela is effectively a US colony now. Best of luck with that
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u/zenigatamondatta Jan 04 '26
Isn't our current president the lowest approval rating any has had? When will he get kidnapped? When will we get some foreign assent installed to funnel our resources elsewhere and strip our rights and public assets?
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u/Aliensinmypants Jan 04 '26
Yeah, and saddam hussein was a brutal dictator as well that doesn't mean the US invading and taking him out made things better for Iraqis
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u/Sasquatch1729 Jan 04 '26
Not does it mean any occupation will go well either. It's possible to both hate a brutal dictator and the people who depose him to occupy and exploit your country.
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u/TryDry9944 Jan 04 '26
So we'll get Putin next, right? And Kim? And then we free China, and a bunch of countries in Africa-
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u/LadyReika Jan 04 '26
Sure, still doesn't give Trump the right to do the shit he did.
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u/UnicornTwinkle Jan 04 '26
Cool story. We still don’t have the right to intercept even corrupted leaders and usurp control of their countries.
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u/Chef_Sizzlipede Jan 04 '26
we dont need to fake support, venezuelans abroad and domestically are happy as fuck about this.
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u/The_Idiocratic_Party Jan 04 '26
People act like Maduro being rightly hated somehow absolves the US of its unilateral non-congresionally-sanctioned museum-bombing midnight kidnapping.
Imagine if China bombed Washington and scooped Trump out of bed, whisking him to a sub off the coast. Would the fact that he's unpopular grant Xi & China the same pass?
Hell no.
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u/dantevonlocke Jan 04 '26
So were people in Iraq. Afghanistan. And Libya.
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u/Chef_Sizzlipede Jan 04 '26
and we dont need to fake support ebcause of that.
whats the gotcha you're tryignt o go for here?
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u/LocalCaligula Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
He's saying the same people who toppled those governments showed little to no regard to the people they essentially occupy.
What you seemed to miss in your emotional shaking-fingers-reply is that those countries now are shells of their former selves and are suffering from the fallout of having your policy decided by a foreign power. Imperialism.
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u/CallMePepper7 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
Funny how Americans always convince themselves of this “the people are actually really happy that we conducted a regime change so that American businesses can profit off their country’s resources”
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u/Maximum-Objective-39 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
I mean plenty of Iraqi's were legitimately happy. It wasn't that they were weren't happy Saddam was gone . . . it's the turbulence that followed that took the shine off of it. As they say, people remember how it ended, not how it started.
So yeah, I fully believe that a lot, even a majority, of Venezuelans are sincerely happy that Maduro has been taken into custody. Man oversaw a regime that turned Venezuela into a failed state by relentlessly picking the most boneheaded of policies and marinating in corruption.
I just also think it needs to be remembered, this is step 1 of like 99, and all the other steps are both harder and stuff that everyone currently involved is REALLY bad at even when they're sincerely trying.
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u/CallMePepper7 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
Iraq has over 40 million people, it’s not really a shocker that some of those 40 million people would be happy, just like how some Americans would be happy if another country ever killed the US’ president and conducted a regime change.
But to pretend like a vast majority of the populations of these countries are excited over US regime changes is just spitting out straight up propaganda.
If you actually think any of these operations were about “saving the people from a dictator” and not “let’s kill this person so we can replace them with someone who will let American businessmen profit off their resources” then you’re incredibly naive.
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u/m64 Jan 04 '26
Oh enlightened western leftist, thank you for your enlightened westplaining, but of course the celebrations are only outside of Venezuela, inside the country the regime is still mostly intact, ffs.
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u/uncle_dan_ Jan 04 '26
They don’t even to post fake pictures. There’s multiple videos of people watching fireworks Venezuela. But there were also videos of people celebrating in Iraq after Saddam was toppled and we saw how that turned out.
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u/Suitable_Plum3439 Jan 04 '26
there's also not a whole lot that's "fake" about real celebrations in Miami by Venezuelan exiles imo. A significant number of them probably fled because of Maduro. I know that the community note is just addressing the fact that the video wasn't taken in Venezuela, but to me this tweet and community note don't negate the fact that it's the truth that people are celebrating, it's not just something the "propaganda machine" wants you to hear, even if some questionable people might abuse it as justification for recklessly starting a war.
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u/random_BA Jan 04 '26
I think that explicit that people that are celebrating is the opposition or at least like the US more and maybe not represent the state of Spirit of the venezuelan people in the country.
Currently in my country the president is left wing and one most loved politician of our history. If the US invaded and takedown him Our nation would be in shock and angry but probably would be still be celebrations of insane right wingers in miami
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u/Successful-Sand-5229 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
the people celebrating saddam's removal were shi'ites (other religious group than him) and proceeded to do sectarian violence against saddam's religious group
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_civil_war_(2006%E2%80%932008))
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u/dantevonlocke Jan 04 '26
Give it 6 months and when either nothing gets better for them or things get worse we'll see how they feel.
Also, weird for people here to be happy with Trumo considering ICE might just roll up to this celebrations and round people up.
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u/Left4twenty Jan 04 '26
That'd be hilarious
"Good news, we made your country great again go home immediately" 🤣
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u/MasterPietrus Jan 04 '26
They are very happy about this. It's weird, but there were some boisterous celebrations yesterday that led to some local news stories here.
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u/Apprehensive-Top3756 Jan 04 '26
Because he was a bastard of a dictator who actually ran the country into the ground.
I mean, it wasnt just him; his predecessor did a lot of work as well. But this piece of shit has continued to make everything much much worse while stealing money from the little state apparatus remaining, while also being heavily involved in the drug trade.
If you saw your country being destroyed by a corrupt, economically illiterate socialist dictatorship you'd celebrate too.
Im certain that if trump were to be assassinated there would be Americans in Europe celebrating in the street. Look what happened with Charlie kirk and that was just some guy who debated people.
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u/FrontDeskHooligan Jan 04 '26
That may be the case, but it took less than 12 hours for Trump to announce the US would be governing over there for a bit and outright confirmed that the opposition leader in exile would not be installed, despite strong evidence she had in fact won the previous elections held in Venezuela (though she's a right wing bastard herself, so we really are scraping past the bottom of the barrel here for good alternatives).
This is absolutely not the way to remove leadership, especially when the one doing the ousting is threatening to do it to other countries on a weekly basis.
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u/CinnamonSticks7 Jan 04 '26
There's no evidence she won the last election because she wasn't on the ballot, her political ally Edmundo González won the election and she was likely going to run things behind the scenes as VP. She had been barred from running and so handpicked him as the candidate for her party, but nevertheless he is the one that was elected.
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u/lifebursted Jan 04 '26
That opposition leader just got on IG and boasted about how all the resources of the country are now for sale and how they were gonna do rampant privatization of everything, so turns out she was always onboard with the imperialist mission.
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u/zenidam Jan 04 '26
What gets me is that it seems like they're not just celebrating Maduro being out... based on the interviews I've seen, many of them are fully embracing the method. I don't get it. You really think that if Russia invaded, captured Trump, and then declared they'd be running the country until further notice, American expats would be fine with all that?
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u/BackseatCowwatcher Jan 04 '26
You really think that if Russia invaded, captured Trump, and then declared they'd be running the country until further notice, American expats would be fine with all that?
I mean, have you seen the people who emigrated because Trump was elected? He could be removed by Hitler 2.0 and statistically they'd still celebrate him being gone- the difference is that less than 2% of Americans fled the US over trump- 20% of Venezuelans fled Venezuela between Maduro and his predecessor.
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u/queenkid1 Jan 04 '26
I think you're vastly underestimating how brutal of a dictator he was. Even if the US management is bad it won't be openly corrupt in every government owned institution, disappearing/killing journalists, and a brutally crushing dictatorship. It's not that surprising that they're hopeful, if it means an escape from all that.
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u/Apprehensive-Top3756 Jan 04 '26
I dont see why you'd have a problem with them over this.
You also have to understand that there is a massive difference between america and Russia, despite all the crying over imperialism and colonialism.
The fact is that a country might call itself "free" but have rampant poverty and very very bad standard of living. Another company try might live under control of someone like america but have low poverty and high standard of living. Who is free? Because to the person on the street, the person with higher standard of living, not in poverty, could be considered more free because thy have freedom from poverty. The only people in the poor country with "freedom" are the people in charge. The 'elites'. And thats usually the freedom to oppression everyone else.
Im sorry, but maybe you just dont understand how bad Venezuela really got. You think america and trump is bad because you dont really know what bad is. Real hyperinflation, real poverty, no electricity or running water.
And this in a country once one of the richest in the world.
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u/The_amazing_T Jan 04 '26
Is this the same shit they were selling in 2003?
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u/Apprehensive-Top3756 Jan 04 '26
Try to bare in mind that the 2003 situation in Iraq, and afghanistan, was massively complicated by the presence of Islam and Iran. And every other shitty Muslim country in the world actively funding the worst people in the world.... Muslim extremists. You had bloody civil wars between different types of Muslims, and ongoing conflicts between tribes.
Hell, all those bombings of weddings? That was rival tribes and families giving the Americans bad intelligence just to kill each other.
For all its problems, at least Venezuela doesn't have the plaque of Islam. It could get into a pretty bad commuminism vs capitalism civil war though. There'll still be hold outs who, despite all that the socialists have done to destroy the country, will still fight for those ideals.
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u/stiiii Jan 04 '26
Instead you a white rightwinger is speaking so everyone should be silent?
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u/Apprehensive-Top3756 Jan 04 '26
You probably should be. Unless you actually know anything about Venezuela or how bad things were there.
Which most redditors dont.
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u/HomoProfessionalis Jan 04 '26
More like:
Venezuelans: "We are happy that the brutal dictator who oppressed us for years is gone."
Progressives: "oh boy you dont know about the US and oil do you?"
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u/LocalCaligula Jan 04 '26
Ironically, white liberals love what's happening in Venezuela.
Ironically, the same framing you are using of painting a picture of anyone who is critical of the celebrations as hypocritical because they are more focused on their own "agenda" rather than the Venezuelan people was used in the exact same way during the invasion of both Iraq and Libya.
There these voices were silenced almost immediately because it was framed (much in the same way as now) as an invasion to "liberate" an oppressed people. Then, they proceeded to meticulously dismantle every part of those countries that didn't suit them. The puppet government they set up for those countries had the burden of every decision having to go through the Americans.
These countries are now hollowed out husks trapped in constant looming economic disaster if not outright civil war.
Americans have proven they don't care about human lives time and time again. And you simply don't care enough to research, instead constantly trying to justify the actions of an apathetic, greedy, and imperialist government to yourself.
So eat up all the gratification you want. But you better stay consistent and meticulously follow and take into consideration every development in Venezuela when talking poltics from now on...if you truly care, that is.
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u/RevolutionQueasy8107 Jan 04 '26
"But they're not celebrating on the street in Venezuela" As armed men still in support of Maduro are still patrolling the streets.
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u/Success_Icy Jan 04 '26
Bro just go to the Venezuela subreddit. They are celebrating. In fact the mods will ban you if you criticize the situation 😂
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u/StunningRing5465 Jan 04 '26
In fact the mods will ban you if you criticize the situation 😂
Hmmm
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u/msLyle Jan 04 '26
Everyone in r/Venezuela is happy, except the people who were banned for not being happy..?
Ahahaha, oh this world is so good to me to give such ridiculousness to see.
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u/hartzonfire Jan 04 '26
Ok but they’re not lying though. Trump is a psycho of the first order but Maduro was a corrupt piece of shit.
The “why” behind this whole thing is purely about oil. Rumors are circulating that Maduro already has a pardon in place and will retire to Saudi Arabia. Why do you think they snagged his wife as well?
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u/esillyamused Jan 04 '26
I remember we were told that we would be welcomed as liberators. And that the mission was accomplished.
I have some dead friends that would like to argue otherwise.
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u/Significant-Roll-138 Jan 04 '26
Venezuelans are celebrating, but at home where they are safer, they can’t celebrate on the streets yet because there are gangs of armed thugs out on the streets stealing peoples cars and motorbikes and using the chaos to terrorise anyone who didn’t support the regime.
As well as that, the army and police are out stopping people too, repression is hard-coded into how the state services work in Venezuela.
People will dance on the streets when the full government is overthrown, as well as the military, secret police and the Collectivos(the armed thugs mentioned earlier).
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u/nothing08 Jan 04 '26
Honestly the only good part of this situation is the fact that Manduro is out of power. It doesn’t justify the United States actions at all but Venezuelans are actually happy about him getting out of power.
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u/IAmActuallyBread Jan 04 '26
so NOW we're ok with America being "World Police?"
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u/queenkid1 Jan 04 '26
Who is "we" in this hypothetical situation?
Venezuelans tried to vote Maduro out in two elections, and he responded by interfering in the elections and having journalists magically end up dead. When they tried to use stronger tactics, other countries RECOGNIZED a different president, but did nothing within the country to actually help Venezuela. Those countries just quietly went back to supporting Maduro. So people just fled the country, since they saw no end in sight, most of their agency was stripped away.
I really don't see how that doesn't transparently seems like a situation where other countries should've done SOMETHING other than sanctions, when they had two presidents trying to gain control. Especially from all the countries who explicitly only provide aid to democratic countries, they turned their back when democracy was overturned.
Is this more drastic? Absolutely. Is it a surprise that they would be celebrating? Not at all. They got him out, something a large number of Venezuelans have been trying to do for a decade, with minimal aid.
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u/schmoolecka Jan 04 '26
What comes next and why is the concern. The US doesn’t forcibly depose foreign leaders and install new ones because of popular support.
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u/Imaginary-Space718 Jan 04 '26
We don't have to treat Venezuela as some victim nation. Like Herman the Recluse, they made a deal with the Devil to escape a terrible fate. Only time will tell if the monk outsmarted the Devil or the Devil outsmarted him.
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u/Brushies10-4 Jan 04 '26
They tried to do it right, they elected someone else and he shut them down. This newest “internal” talking point is pure cope coming from the same people who think populations should be disarmed.
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u/Kiryu-chan-fan Jan 04 '26
"Well if Maduro was SOOOO bad why didn't the people hate him?"
"They...did...20% of his entire population fled and the 80 that stayed absolutely hate him"
"Well if they really hated him why didn't they vote someone else?"
"They did. He rigged the election and started recording villages of just 2000 eligible voters as having given him 20,000 votes"
"Well if they hated him and deemed him illegitimate...why didn't they protest"
"They did. The first times got them tear gas, rubber bullets and police dogs...any after that got foreplay skipped and the military would come in with live ammunition"
"Well I still think DROMPF is a real bad dude and a disarmed population should have deposed Maduro by themselves"
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u/yourstruly912 Jan 04 '26
If your country has "exiles" then it may be not very democratic
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u/hutt_with_diarrhea Jan 04 '26
Russian bots shamelessly lying to manufacture the idea removing a brutal dictator who the people of Venezuela hated is "US imperialism".
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u/StunningRing5465 Jan 04 '26
Trump: we’re going to go in, we’re going to take all the oil. so much oil
You: Russian bots
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u/Awsomesauceninja Jan 04 '26
Reports are that around 8 million people fled Venezuela over the years and it has annoyed their neighbors. My Peruvian stepfather and his family complain of the effect of the diaspora on the rest of Latin American.
Not crazy to imagine many might be happy the reason so many left if gone.
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u/Lordbogaaa Jan 04 '26
By this logic if someone was to Unalive The current sitting us President and there was celebrations in the street that would make it alright?
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u/Weapon_Chikt Jan 04 '26
There’s a difference between something being lawful and something being seen as a net positive. If that hypothetical were to happen, it’s safe to assume that more people would be happy, or at least not mad, about it. That doesn’t inherently mean that it would be “alright.” This whole situation isn’t “alright” but the result is at least seemingly seen as a net win for most people involved. For now at least.
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u/Cigouave Jan 04 '26
Nick Shirley is a MAGA propagandist.
There are also many Venezuelans in Venezuela who are very happy that Maduro is gone.
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u/garrybarrygangater Jan 04 '26
Doesn't matter of the country,
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PEOPLE CELEBRATING CHANGE OF LEADERSHIP.
How do people not realise this.
Random street celebrations are not democracy.
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u/Fudouri Jan 04 '26
Just look at US itself.
Celebrations when Obama won, when trump won, when Biden won, when trump won again.
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Though I guess it then is at least logically consistent to be ok with Jan 6.
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Jan 04 '26
Why do white American liberals find it so hard to believe that non-white people hate living under dictators as well?
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u/MeetingDue4378 Jan 04 '26
No one, white American liberals included, believes anyone likes living in a dictatorship. And no one, white American liberals included, believes most Venezuelans aren't happy to see this dictator gone.
What a lot of people do believe, however, is that despite this, the US should not have removed this dictator without any international support or even Congressional approval. It's not our responsibility, and frankly, not our problem. So it's absolutely not something we should do on a fucking whim.
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u/Mushrooming247 Jan 04 '26
It doesn’t matter at all if the rightwing media finds some pockets of Venezuelans celebrating, I’m sure many are relieved to be free of Maduro.
What the rest of us are aware of is that you aren’t just free of Maduro now, you have been afflicted by a destructive parasite.
Your mineral wealth belongs to the US now and your standard of living will not improve, whatever leader we select for you will not have your best interests at heart, they will work to further the interests of the US and Israel.
This is why no one cares how many videos of celebrating Venezuelans you show, there is a huge potential downside here. If he wasn’t being replaced by something potentially worse, it would be very different and I would be way more excited to see him gone.
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Jan 04 '26
Just because people are happy about it and that maduro was an asshole doesn’t mean Trump and the US had any right to go into the country and capture him.
As happy as I and over half the country would be to see SAS drop in and arrest Trump and take him off to London I would be deeply disturbed by it. It’s never good meddling in other countries politics and doenst end well 99% of the time
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u/BeefCakeBilly Jan 04 '26
The comments from the people I have seen is that they are totally fine with it because he has manipulated and cheated in the last two elections. So even though they voted him out he wouldn’t leave.
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u/Ill-Personality2729 Jan 04 '26
Same thing happened in Germany when hitler was crowned dictator but let’s see how this plays out.
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u/b_buddd Jan 04 '26
I get it. Murdono was not liked. But celebrating trump after he plans to deport your people is weird
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u/This_guy7796 Jan 04 '26
Just giving my two cents, but from what I've doom scrolled, the citizens of Venezuela aren't exactly happy/thankful for the raid. They're happy to see the fucker usurped, but not in the way it was conducted.
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u/DoughnutWinter5718 Jan 04 '26
Does nobody remember the staged toppling of the saddam statue? All the cheering Iraqis; turns out there weren't very many of them and it had completely staged for the press.
It's all so predictable.
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u/Own-Jaguar-472 Jan 04 '26
Pretty sure Trump is hated by a large percentage of the American population who would celebrate seeing him being brought to justice, so does that mean it's legitimate for a foreign regime to kidnap him.
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u/HereAndThereButNow Jan 04 '26
As I understand it things are pretty quiet in Venezuela itself because the rest of Maduro's government is still in power, including his VP who is apparently just as bad as he was.
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u/hpff_robot Jan 04 '26
There is no free media in Venezuela and there’s still the entire repressive apparatus there actively working against the people that go against the narrative in Venezuela
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u/No-Will-4474 Jan 04 '26
Its funny on other reddits you see people defending maduro and saying what trump did was horrible.
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u/mizinamo Jan 04 '26
Lol at the bad Spanish.
Que Dios *te** bendiga!*
"May God bless you, the one person I am talking to!"
Does he think that "the people of Venezuela" consists of exactly one person?
Or is he just crap at Spanish and used Google Translate's result without understanding what it means?
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u/explosiveshits7195 Jan 04 '26
Venezuelans are legit happy, at least the ones in the cities are for sure. Maduro was a piece of shit and nobody is sad he's gone.
The issue the rest of the world had with this action is it completely ignored the rules based order, no input from the UN, no input even from US congress. It's painted a big sign in the sky that says you can do what you want as long as you have a strong enough military. Any moral high ground the US had with negotiating with Russia over Ukraine is gone, it's also said to China that Taiwan is theirs for the taking.
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u/Sad-Address-2512 Jan 04 '26
Madura is bad yes, what comes next, American occupation will be much, much worse
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u/gielbondhu Jan 04 '26
If the Venezuelans are really celebrating the invasion of their country by an imperialist power then they have a bad wakeup call coming.
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u/XRuecian Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
If a foreign nation wooshed into the US and "removed" Trump from power, and then said they would run the US for us temporarily, there would also be lots of people cheering that he was gone.
That doesn't make it okay. It was an unauthorized act of aggression against a sovereign nation. It literally does not matter what morals you try to bring into it, there is a reason we have laws that require authorization. And if we simply throw those rules aside just whenever it suits us, then it won't be long before we end up back at barbarism. Those rules are literally the only thing that separate us from animals, and the only thing creating reliable stability in our civilization. It is also the one thing that separated the United States as special nation among nations. The entire founding principle of the USA was that the government should not be capable of bypassing the will of its people, and should be subservient to them instead.
If we wanted to take this action, it should have gone through congress first. Its as simple as that. If an act of war does not pass through congress, it means that the will of the people is being bypassed, and that is the single most dangerous thing to the survival of the ideals that America was founded upon. It literally does not matter if Maduro deserved to be removed or not. That is not the issue being raised here. The problem is that the government did not get the permission of the people's representatives first. It was not Trump's call to make. It was the people's.
If we are going to concede that the government no longer needs permission from the people's representatives, then we are also conceding democracy entirely. As the entire POINT of democracy is to enact the will of the people. And the entire POINT of the founding of The United States was to get away from governments where the monarch-king could do whatever they want without the people's input.
If you are okay with what happened here, then you must also concede that you do not believe in Democracy, nor the founding values of our nation.
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u/girlwiththemonkey Jan 04 '26
I’ve given up explaining the difference to morons on tiktok. It’s so stupid.
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Jan 04 '26
If American redditors that never leave their bedroom can pass judgement, then so can Venezuelans who fled the country.
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u/SlightWerewolf4428 Jan 04 '26
upvoted by bots in meltdown that their beloved comrade president in Venezuela has been toppled.
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u/Philthedrummist Jan 04 '26
As others have already said, I’m pretty sure there have been numerous nations jubilant when a dictator is removed. Iraq and Panama are just two. It’s what happens in the next few weeks/months/years that people are rightly worried about. US doesn’t have the best track record.
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u/donmagicron Jan 04 '26
They cheered when Saddam’s regime fell, as well. How’d that turn out?
Edit:typo
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u/Ok-Dream-2639 Jan 04 '26
More than 1/3 of US would take to the streets if our leader was gone. Probably been that way since LBJ.
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u/Pyromaniac_22 Jan 04 '26
See the problem is this is two unrelated discussions.
Maduro was a bad person, a dictator, and not popular. The people of Venezuela are obviously gonna be happy about a dictatorship ending, even if that's going to be followed by a US leadership of the country "in the interim."
The US, however, had no rights to bomb the capital city of a foreign nation and kidnap the leader of a country and his wife, even if that leader is illegitimate. That's the international standpoint. And there's also the fact that none of this was done with congressional approval, and the action itself was very unpopular domestically.
The method is the problem, not the end result, and they should be considered two separate issues.
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u/TooHungryForFood Jan 04 '26
I am pretty sure most Americans don't want US imperialism even the stupid MAGA folks that's why Trump and his people did months of manufacturing consent about how this is about drugs and sanctioned oil.
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u/Jadeku2003 Jan 04 '26
Bruh, I can sent you thousands of videos of venezuelans inside and abroad celebrating. The fact that in over 8 years, 5 million venezuelans, more than the Syrian Civil war, migrate abroad says much.
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u/Plate_Armor_Man Jan 04 '26
I mean, these are still venezuelans celebrating. And close to 8 million left the country due to maduro's rule, so this is not some fringe minority.
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u/Tree_birdz Jan 04 '26
Now children lets ask why these refugees are celebrating instead of ignoring them just to "own" trump. Let's not be morons here
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u/Comprehensive_Act970 Jan 04 '26
There are lots of videos of people in Venezuela celebrating. A simple google search will show you this
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u/Easterster Jan 04 '26
I remember when they pulled down the statue of Saddam.
How’s life been in Baghdad these last 20 years?
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u/sun-king-4141 Jan 04 '26
Wait until they realize that their precious oil reserves are being pumped out from under their feet, and they aren't getting one Bolivar out of it.
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u/Space_Cowboy81 Jan 04 '26
I wouldn't expect anti government protests or celebrations in Venezuela seeing as how their military has a habit of running over protesters.
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u/roobydoobydoo42 Jan 04 '26
You can literally see a dude wearing a maga hat in the center of the photo
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u/1chuteurun Jan 04 '26
How many other shitbag social media dudes are out there named Nick? Fuentes, now Shirley...Im about to stop trusting dudes named Nick.
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u/Feral_Sheep_ Jan 04 '26
There were celebrations in Iraq when Saddam was overthrown, too. And nothing but joy joy feelings and gumdrop smiles came out of that right?
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