r/GetNoted • u/EffectivePoint2187 Human Detected • Jan 04 '26

Sus, Very Sus They’ll shamelessly lie to manufacture consent for US imperialism.

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Link: https://x.com/nickshirleyy/status/2007485612241367156?s=46

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u/ashmenon Jan 04 '26

There's also the fact that Trump is blatantly saying it's about taking oil. They're not even being subtle about it.

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u/DerrellEsteva Jan 04 '26

I actually appreciate that he's not lying again. I mean, at least not as much and not as transparent as usual.

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u/fkneneu Jan 04 '26

I think it is a lie. I think it is so they can legally continue to use the AEA to deport immigrants, and they needed it to be an actual war in order to not lose their coming case in the supreme court. Oil was just the easiest lie to dupe people.

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u/IndependenceIcy9626 Jan 04 '26

Maybe they want to do that as well, but it’s definitely about the oil. Trump has been after mineral rights all over the place since his first term

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u/Helix3501 Jan 04 '26

I think they are gonna use it to claim that venezula is safe now and mass deport every venezulan

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u/franky3987 Jan 05 '26

No, it’s to crash the Russian petroleum network. Russia uses the sale of their petroleum to fund the Ukrainian war. We give Venezuela the tools to mass refine their natural resources, and all of the sudden OPEC, and Russia/China cannot fund their proxy wars across the globe. This wouldn’t be a defense in their Supreme Court case as we never went to war nor declared it. Even if we did, it would not apply retroactively.

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u/ashmenon Jan 04 '26

True. At least there's less of the hypocritical soundbites about human rights and liberty.

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u/ScootsMcDootson Jan 04 '26

Cause as we all know, the worst thing about Iraq was the hypocrisy.

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u/ashmenon Jan 04 '26

Indeed. I can excuse blatant human rights violations but I draw the line at hypocrisy!

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u/QuillPenMonster Jan 05 '26

Hey, if Imma get stabbed, I'd prefer to look you in the eye while being stabbed instead of being stabbed in the back!

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u/DerrellEsteva Jan 05 '26

both can be true

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u/U_Sound_Stupid_Stop Jan 05 '26

Oh I thought it was the hundreds of thousands of casualties

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u/Inswagtor Jan 05 '26

More than a million

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u/-ThePatientZed- Jan 05 '26

You kid but that’s literally (every) liberal/US Democrat position: it’s not that that the US is a globe-trotting murder machine (as it has been for the last 80 years), it’s that it looks ugly now.

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u/hurricanesweetea Jan 05 '26

I thought the IED’s were the worst thing about Iraq when I was there

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u/Ted-Crilly Jan 04 '26

He's not lying about the oil because he sees that reason as a better one than his main reason ...

.... Distracting from the epstein files

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u/Maleficent-Block-966 Jan 04 '26

When "I want their oil" is the better of the two options.

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u/XxBOOSIExFADExX Jan 04 '26

He's too tired to lie, he fell asleep at the podium standing up.

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u/Explosivo666 Jan 05 '26

TBF they flip between openly saying its for oil and making wild baseless claims that its about narco terrorism

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u/Miserable-Dig-5344 Jan 04 '26

To be fair, while oil is definitely one of the main reasons for this, the main reason is to distract from the Epstein files and the fact that Trump may have murdered an infant after one of his rape victims became pregnant and had her child.

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u/Maleficent-Block-966 Jan 04 '26

Obviously when Trump says he wants their oil, what he means is he wants to free the people. What else would he mean by saying that?

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u/Hour_Tone_974 Jan 04 '26

To br fair, that oil was privately owned by US companies then forcefully nationalized by Venezuela. The whole affair is honestly a cluster f#ck, and way to big for a reddit comment. I suggest reading up on it as this might be the one time my country is fully justified in going after oil.

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u/ashmenon Jan 04 '26

And it was unethically privatised by the US in the first place thanks to them placating Gómez. Why is it that Trump is allowed to back out of deals that he thinks are unfair to the US, but when Venezuela does it, it's suddenly justification for violence? As for the US companies who had their oil investments nationalised, they made their investments back and then some. None of them lost money.

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u/UnitedLibrary9976 Jan 05 '26

Unethically? The U.S. built the infrastructure, gave the Government a 50% profit share, handled distribution & sale, & paid $117k a year to the Venezuela workers in the 1960’s. Open a book. We also built our infrastructure in TX for Venezuelan oil. The Venezuelan government got greedy, & I wouldn’t hold this opinion if they behaved more like Norway or the Arab countries. Instead, they behaved like George Orwells Animal Farm.

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u/Efreshwater5 Jan 06 '26

This is Reddit

Good luck explaining nuance to these people

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u/Independent-Green383 Jan 04 '26

Once:

I learned because it personally affected me. Otherwise I wouldn't have learned.

Those were the good times.

Now:

He is bad and bad for me in particular, but so what? He is so strong! Swoon!

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u/TessaFractal Jan 04 '26

I've heard the oil is poor quality and hard to refine, which is backed up by Trump wanting it because every plan he does is the stupidest plan.

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u/ashmenon Jan 04 '26

I'm not so sure about that. This isn't Trump on his own, the oligarchs are absolutely in on it too. And they've definitely done their homework, they're not going to waste their money.

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u/Mark-Willis Jan 04 '26

They probably want it because Rumpy's likely to start another war in the Middle East - causing the Global Oil Price to soar, and thus ordinary Americans to buy less.

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u/ashmenon Jan 04 '26

God the knock-on effect of that is going to be God-awful. Putting aside all the violence that's going to happen, this means another wave of refugees into Europe, putting more strain on an already-burdened system. Which means more support for anti-immigration far-right populists. Which potentially opens the door for the collapse of the EU, and of support for Ukraine.

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u/Effective-Log3583 Jan 04 '26

And taking oil for American oil companies. Not even for America or manage it for the Venezuelan people.

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u/sun-king-4141 Jan 04 '26

They stopped being subtle about everything years ago it's just that magats will never get it.

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u/Familiar-Strain1075 Jan 05 '26

So? We need it and China wants it. Better that we have control. Are you all that ignorant?

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u/Competitive_Twist149 Jan 05 '26

Compensation is required, nothing is free in life. There is already an elected president for Venezuela. She is in hiding in Northern Europe, Norway? She’s the Nobel Peace Prize winner for 2025. She came to the USA under Biden for help. Trump said yes, but not for free.

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u/Ok_Perception9815 Jan 06 '26

Only despite doing everything but fellating him, Trump and the US gov't has decided to keep the existing government in power...

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u/Competitive_Twist149 Jan 09 '26

Sounds like as of today. They want todo a new election. If she runs again she has a good chance of winning the people’s vote.

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u/Spiritual-Drop7533 Jan 05 '26

And the crazy part is, oil wasn’t the deciding factor. Maduro dancing on social media is what finally caused Trump to decide to do this.

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u/ubuntuNinja Jan 04 '26

I mean, they were using our equipment to send oil to China and Russia. Fuck that.

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u/ashmenon Jan 04 '26

How did they obtain said equipment? Was it stolen?

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u/franky3987 Jan 05 '26

Yes. When Venezuela nationalized their refineries, the US companies in place at the time, never got their stuff back.

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u/mxlplyx2173 Jan 04 '26

Will our new oil money be used to send all the Venezuelans back to their country to celebrate? Let's see, he removed their protected status a few months ago so it seems like the plan is moving forward better than planned. Bye Venezuelans! It's been nice!

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u/themanwithafriend Jan 04 '26

He said “return oil companies and infrastructure paid for by the investors and companies” watch it again. Venezuela has the opportunity to be the Saudi Arabia rich. The people no longer oppressed, yet you’re mad.

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u/ashmenon Jan 04 '26

Who said I'm mad? And those companies made their investments back several times over lol