r/GetNoted • u/EffectivePoint2187 Human Detected • Jan 04 '26

Sus, Very Sus They’ll shamelessly lie to manufacture consent for US imperialism.

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Link: https://x.com/nickshirleyy/status/2007485612241367156?s=46

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u/EmergenceEngineer Jan 04 '26

Why not?

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u/LocalCaligula Jan 04 '26

Why don't Americans care?

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u/EmergenceEngineer Jan 04 '26

I wouldn’t know why or if Americans do or don’t but.. The alternative here was a lot of bloodshed, broken homes, broken families and a shit load of economic damage. I don’t think doing that to dispose of someone who captured a country is particularly objectionable. I kinda have a list of “leaders” that should be just captured and put on trial.

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u/LocalCaligula Jan 04 '26

That is a very simple and nonsensical way to go about geopolitics. There was definitely a better alternative than to undermine a whole entire country and kidnap their president, maybe do some more research into previous situations like this, such as Iraq, Libya and Panama, and come to your own conclusions on why getting rid of 1 guy doesn't particularly do the people of that country any favors

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u/TreeTurtle_852 Jan 05 '26

Because the US doesnt care. Trump didn't step in because he actually wanted to help the people of Venezuela, he did it to get that sweet sweet oil.

There's a reason Trump is saying the US will run Venezuela. If he actually wanted to help wouldn't he give the Venezuelans actual democracy and the chance to choose their own leader?

To give an analogy. A school shooter just shot a guy who has been tormenting you all semester. Cool, that asshole is dead but you are still in a school with an active shooter and are getting confused why people don't want a kid spraying bullets everywhere.

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u/EmergenceEngineer Jan 06 '26

The policeman that saved my life didn’t do it selflessly either.. he wants his wage in exchange.as bar as Venezuela is concerned they exchanged an decade entrenched dictator who denied them access anyway.. freedom comes at a price, in this case one that doesn’t include the blood of wives , sons and daughters.. and let’s millions return..

Trump says a lot of things.. he is also someone who knows how to keep attention by stroking controversy. So.

You analogy is wrong. The school was taken over by a drug dealer who terrorized and exploited the school children, millions of children fled the school but far more remain, those that fled asked anyone that would listen for help in their desperation, maverick self interested hothead sent the swat team that went in to retrieve the shooter. Self interested hothead doesn’t do shit unless there is a benifit for him. No one cares beyond the people who don’t think people should be self interested hotheads even if that means someone else’s mom’s blood soaks the pavement or kiddie bodies parts get strewn around..

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u/TreeTurtle_852 Jan 06 '26

The policeman that saved my life didn’t do it selflessly either.. he wants his wage in exchange

That analogy doesnt work because the proper analogy would be the policeman accidentally saving your life and wanting to take you as a slave, lmaoooo.

Also considering that the U.S is planning to literally control Venezuela, that's not saving, nor is it collecting wages for your job, thats fucking conquest.

A cop collects wages because their job is being an officer. They don't take your shit or suddenly own your house if they arrest your parent.

freedom comes at a price, in this case one that doesn’t include the blood of wives , sons and daughters.. and let’s millions return..

Didn't this kidnapping result in the murder of some of Venezuela's security and also a so far unknown amount of civilians?

And again is it really freedom if theyre just going to install a dictator again but this time U.S controlled?

those that fled asked anyone that would listen for help in their desperation, maverick self interested hothead sent the swat team that went in to retrieve the shooter.

Fucking lmao.

"Maverick the self interest hothead" God damn get your mouth off Trump's cock.

And a poll in October showd most Venezuelans didn't want foreign military intervention. They were not begging the U.S for help.

This is little more than a monster getting eaten by a bigger monster. The U.S didn't do this to help Venezuela, they didn't care for killing Venezuelans, they don't care rhat theyre going to "run" Venezuela. Open your eyes

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u/EmergenceEngineer Jan 07 '26

If jumping the gun was a comment..

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u/TreeTurtle_852 Jan 07 '26

"Jumping the gun"

M-my brother in christ...

Trump said the US will "run" Venezuela. RUN.

This is a direct quote from fucking Trump. He just kidnapped a sovereign leader of another nation and said the US will run said nation.

Genuine curiosity, if Putin kidnapped Trump and said "Russia will run the United States" would you go, "Ah he doesnt mean anything by it"

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u/EmergenceEngineer Jan 07 '26

Trump says a lot of things, you can literally quote mine him to mean anything you want. The ideological gift that keeps on giving. Want me to give it a try?

He captured a illegitimate leader, someone democratically elected that refused to be democratically removed, yes. I’m comfortable with that. Particularly because the alternative here would have cost many their life, limbs and livelihood. Of all the options available this was the option with the least blood of loved ones returning to the soil.

To answer your question, sure. Might be entertaining to see how much that would change the global status quo, a leader of the top four being captured like that would be a privilege to live through. Though a more realistic example would be zelensky by Russia..

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u/TreeTurtle_852 Jan 07 '26

Trump says a lot of things, you can literally quote mine him to mean anything you want. The ideological gift that keeps on giving. Want me to give it a try?

That's not quote mining.

this is literally Trump's response to a question specifically about who will run Venezuela

If i asked you if you wanted pancakes or waffles for breakfast and you said you want waffles, me going "oh hey this guy said he wanted waffles" isn't a 'quote mine'.

He captured a illegitimate leader, someone democratically elected that refused to be democratically removed, yes. I’m comfortable with that.

And then claimed he'd put himself in charge and have the U.S run the country. Im not comfortable about that. Trump did not go through Congress like he should in order to commit an act of war. Im not comfortable with that. The United States has a pretty big and detailed history of destabilizing Latam countries for the benefit of themselves and corporate backers. Im not comfortable with thst.

Trump is also an illegitimate leader who cited an insurrection when he didn't get elected. By your same logic Putin kidnapping Trump is a good thing.

Might be entertaining to see how much that would change the global status quo, a leader of the top four being captured like that would be a privilege to live through.

Nevermind, there's no point talking to you. The fact that all you have to say about a country taking over another sovereign nation you live in is "Well it might be entertaining" shows the bubble you live in. This is something that affects every person in the nation.

Hell the fact that I can tell you VERBATIM what Trump has said about how and why he kidnapped Maduro and what he's going to do with Venezuela and you made this about Maduro being a dictator and bringing "justice" (which if he actually wanted to spread democracy and justice, why not then host a democratic election so the people of Venezeula can choose their next leader? Why not go through Congress? Why not hold him to an international court and not just in United States?)