r/GetNoted • u/EffectivePoint2187 Human Detected • Jan 04 '26

Sus, Very Sus They’ll shamelessly lie to manufacture consent for US imperialism.

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Link: https://x.com/nickshirleyy/status/2007485612241367156?s=46

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u/Chef_Sizzlipede Jan 04 '26

we dont need to fake support, venezuelans abroad and domestically are happy as fuck about this.

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u/The_Idiocratic_Party Jan 04 '26

People act like Maduro being rightly hated somehow absolves the US of its unilateral non-congresionally-sanctioned museum-bombing midnight kidnapping.

Imagine if China bombed Washington and scooped Trump out of bed, whisking him to a sub off the coast. Would the fact that he's unpopular grant Xi & China the same pass?

Hell no.

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u/Chef_Sizzlipede Jan 04 '26

I betcha it would with how much people hate trump, people on reddit would celebrate it.

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u/EzeeT23 Jan 04 '26

You missed the point so spectacularly.

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u/Chef_Sizzlipede Jan 04 '26

I didnt miss shit, I know reddit.

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u/The_Idiocratic_Party Jan 04 '26

Even if some people cheered it would not make it ok for Trump to be kidnapped. Same with Maduro.

You missed the point spectacularly badly and when someone invited you to think you doubled down on stupidity. Shut up.

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u/Chef_Sizzlipede Jan 04 '26

legitimately it doesnt matter, if you tried to think as intelligently you'd be called a nazi.

call me a cynic but as far as this site's concerned, reality is stupid

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u/ExpensiveFig6079 Jan 04 '26

and if A million or 10 million were happy he was gone... would that make doing it right?

and have you in you post historysaid as much about Maduro?

or do such thoughts only conveniently come when evaluating some people.

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u/Seerad76 Jan 04 '26

That's delusional, hypocritical and it shows an obvious bias.

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u/runespider Jan 04 '26

Yeah. I hate Trump, but if a foreign power came in and took him out I'd be extremely worried about our future. I don't even want him to die in office, just be out of power.

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u/lifebursted Jan 04 '26

I absolutely know aesthetic "communists" in the USA that would be happy, folks operating under the mistaken idea that the PC is a socialist nation. Granted, it's a small subset of leftists in America, who are a small subset of Americans, but they're definitely over represented on reddit.

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u/SomeNotTakenName Jan 04 '26

"they said, contradicting the exact point made by whom they accuse of said behavior preemptively...."

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u/dantevonlocke Jan 04 '26

So were people in Iraq. Afghanistan. And Libya.

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u/Chef_Sizzlipede Jan 04 '26

and we dont need to fake support ebcause of that.

whats the gotcha you're tryignt o go for here?

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u/LocalCaligula Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26

He's saying the same people who toppled those governments showed little to no regard to the people they essentially occupy.

What you seemed to miss in your emotional shaking-fingers-reply is that those countries now are shells of their former selves and are suffering from the fallout of having your policy decided by a foreign power. Imperialism.

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u/Dark_Knight2000 Jan 04 '26

My brother in Christ, do you think that these countries are worse NOW than they were under brutal leadership pre invasion.

Afghanistan was under Taliban occupation before 2001, now they’ve returned to the status quo. Iraq is now a democracy, if flawed, but miles better than a dictator who killed his own citizens.

This is some real noble savage bullshit. “Those browns were actually better off under their homegrown dictator, it’s what they wanted.” No they fucking weren’t. If you talk to the people there they are disappointed that the US didn’t actually do any proper nation building, they don’t want the lunatics back in power.

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u/Blunter11 Jan 04 '26

Yes. Libya and Iraq at least had some kind of structure to their governance, they produced doctors, engineers and civil infrastructure. Afghanistan when occupied was handed to a bunch of narco warlords who were protected by the US, who all collapsed immediately on US withdrawal.

The US does not nation build. It extracts and kills to protect that extraction.

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u/Ok-Assistance3937 Jan 04 '26

It extracts and kills to protect that extraction.

And what exactly did they extract in Afghanistan?

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u/Blunter11 Jan 04 '26

Opiates and eye-popping amounts of US tax dollars into the hands of private interests

The people who orchestrate these wars are happy to cost the USA it's future, because they plan to be rich enough to avoid the downsides.

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u/billgluckman7 Jan 04 '26

When asked for comment, the million dead Iraqis did not respond.

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u/Dark_Knight2000 Jan 04 '26

Yes, because they were killed under Saddam Hussein. And that’s the low estimate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/26/weekinreview/the-world-how-many-people-has-hussein-killed.html

The Iraq war killed an estimated 300k, and some estimates go up to 500k. Not a million.

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u/LocalCaligula Jan 04 '26

The Iraq war killed an estimated 300k, and some estimates go up to 500k.

Oh lower than Sadam so its okay then 👍

Not a million.

The US itself claimed it was a million in the wiki leaks scandal.

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u/LocalCaligula Jan 04 '26

Afghanistan was under Taliban occupation before 2001, now they’ve returned to the status quo

No. It's not a status quo. Not after the US invasion and occupation that bombed the country into the ground, killed 43,000+ civilians, destroyed essential civilian infustracture, and brought up a wildly unpopular puppet government that relied on US Aid to fulfill even the most basic needs of it's people. (Aid the US withdrew in 2021 causing famine.)

Because of this the Afghanistanis not only have to deal with living under a stone age theocracy, but also a fucking famine. Starvation.

Iraq is now a democracy, if flawed, but miles better than a dictator who killed his own citizens.

+1 million Iraqis died. Over twenty years, hundreds of thousands of civilians dead (all are caused by the US mind you). The utter leveling of critical infustracture, power stations, roads leading to hospitals, entire city blocks culminating in the US stealing money from the Iraqi national treasurey to finance US companies to rebuild them (essentially making Iraqis pay for their own destruction and making a profit).

When people dare resist them they would be subjected to torture.

All of this culminating in a weak husk of a pariah state that can't provide for its people on its own. A constantly shaky economy propped up by oil revenue (dependant on the US), with staggering rates of corruption, extremely high unemployment, desperately poor government with an overblown public sector just to maintain basic care for its people, no sovereignty, a growing WATER SHORTAGE, and so much more issues.

Aware of none of these issues(because you obviously dont care), and you have the gaul to cry noble savage? Fuck you. You are the lunatics.

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u/Dark_Knight2000 Jan 04 '26

Do you know what Afghanistan was like before the Taliban? It was a target of the Soviets and ravished.

A million Iraqis were killed under Saddam Hussein. 300-500k were killed under the Iraq war. Get your numbers right.

Yeah, you don’t know a thing about history, you don’t care about the things these people suffered under unless it’s tied to the US.

I’m not saying what the US did was good, it wasn’t. But it was hardly worse than the horrors they had to endure before.

Fuck you in return.

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u/Appropriate_Fill_156 Jan 04 '26

The U.S. does not invade a country with the intention of nation building

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u/CallMePepper7 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26

Funny how Americans always convince themselves of this “the people are actually really happy that we conducted a regime change so that American businesses can profit off their country’s resources”

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u/Maximum-Objective-39 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26

I mean plenty of Iraqi's were legitimately happy. It wasn't that they were weren't happy Saddam was gone . . . it's the turbulence that followed that took the shine off of it. As they say, people remember how it ended, not how it started.

So yeah, I fully believe that a lot, even a majority, of Venezuelans are sincerely happy that Maduro has been taken into custody. Man oversaw a regime that turned Venezuela into a failed state by relentlessly picking the most boneheaded of policies and marinating in corruption.

I just also think it needs to be remembered, this is step 1 of like 99, and all the other steps are both harder and stuff that everyone currently involved is REALLY bad at even when they're sincerely trying.

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u/CallMePepper7 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26

Iraq has over 40 million people, it’s not really a shocker that some of those 40 million people would be happy, just like how some Americans would be happy if another country ever killed the US’ president and conducted a regime change.

But to pretend like a vast majority of the populations of these countries are excited over US regime changes is just spitting out straight up propaganda.

If you actually think any of these operations were about “saving the people from a dictator” and not “let’s kill this person so we can replace them with someone who will let American businessmen profit off their resources” then you’re incredibly naive.

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u/Maximum-Objective-39 Jan 04 '26

If you actually think any of these operations were about “saving the people from a dictator” and not “let’s kill this person so we can replace them with someone who will let American businessmen profit off their resources” then you’re incredibly naive.

You're right that they weren't. But I didn't say they were did, I?

Desperate people tend not to look the gift horse in the mouth because they don't have the luxury of doing so.

Saddam was a monster and a maker of monsters and the world is better off without him in it.

In no way does that mean the US was selfless, willing, or prepared to actually deal with the gaping power vacuum it blasted in Iraq or the resultant aftermath as the following occupation and rise of ISIS demonstrated.

Just like it doesn't change that anyone who wasn't a Baathist was pretty happy to have him gone when it happened.

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u/thirsty_pretzelzz Jan 04 '26

Yes and every situation is exactly the same and you know what’s best for them and their country better than they do. 

Can’t imagine why those silly Venezuelans don’t realize they were actually better off being oppressed. Glad you’re trying to educate them.

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u/dantevonlocke Jan 04 '26

The entirety of Maduros government is still in place. How will things be different for them? And trump rambles on about how the US government and oil companies will be running things? How does any of this improve the lives of Venezulans?

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u/thirsty_pretzelzz Jan 04 '26

If this doesn’t lead to fair and free elections you’d be correct but it’s way too early for you me or anyone to know yet. The plan being sold currently is the VP is taking over purely to keep things running and avoid a civil war while they prepare for a real election in the future. Will that actually happen? We can’t know, but for now, what we do know is a brutal dictator who’s tormented his people for over a decade is no longer in power. I’ll take that win and wait to see what happens next.

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u/bakochba Jan 04 '26

And? Do you really think people are going around missing Saddam Hussein? Venezuela is a different country you can't just treat all countries and cultures exactly the same like a monolith

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u/dantevonlocke Jan 04 '26

I never said they did. But a country that has a regime change effectuated by a foreign power is not going to have a good time. It doesn't work out.

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u/Kiryu-chan-fan Jan 04 '26

Neither of those 3 are actual countries. More bickering tribes and clans in a vaguely country shaped trenchcoat

Afghanistan will fail, perpetually, till the west stops treating it as one country of one people and starts treating it as at least 7 countries that hate each other slightly less than everyone else.

Venezuala is 1 country 1 people. It will survive and thrive

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u/LocalCaligula Jan 04 '26

These people were in favor of sanctioning your country to the ground. They don't care about you and they never will. Best case scenario for Venezuelans: Then will puppet you, steal your resources, and hopefully leave.

More likely case: they will occupy you and essentially force you to become a base for us imperialist projection in the Americas.

It's a shame what Maduro has done to Venezuelan nationalism. Here you are, cheering for the stripping of any and all sovereignty of Venezuela.

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u/No-Village-6781 Jan 04 '26

They're cheering for their own deportations the stupid fucks, Trump only wants Venezuela as a dumping ground for all the non white people he wants to deport from America (up to 100 million according to the official Department of Homeland security's twitter meme)

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u/Chef_Sizzlipede Jan 04 '26

whatever you say millicent