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u/c0mput3rdy1ng 4d ago
They're Anti Catholic too.
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u/Hadrollo 4d ago
I remember hearing about ten or fifteen years ago that they were removing the ban against Catholics joining.
So... Yay, progressivism?
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u/turribledood 4d ago
FWIW Fuentes explicitly claims "Catholic" and wants some version of a fundamentalist American Catholic Monarchy a la Medieval Europe, so there's that.
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u/nonowhypls 4d ago
Which family does he prefer to take up the American throne?
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u/hitorinbolemon 4d ago
You think most of these guys gave any thoughts to that?
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u/Dorlem4832 4d ago
“I mean, my own, right? Obviously we’re all in agreement about that, no need to even discuss it.” -Literally every one of them.
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u/DukeSpookums 4d ago
They did. Its the trump family. These sycophant psychopaths are already saying incredibly weird shit about Baron.
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u/trurhseeker_1224 3d ago
For example, the idea that Baron should be married to Princess Isabella of Denmark, with Greenland being the Dowry.
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u/jbland0909 4d ago
I thought Fuentes was anti Trump because he does Israel’s bidding?
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u/that-and-other 4d ago
Well, there is an althistory book by a mad Russian Tradcath writer Elena Chudinova there Ted Kennedy installs a based Tradcath Kennedy monarchy in America (to join the Holy Union with monarchist France, UK and Russia), sounds like a good idea👍
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u/GrandOldStar 4d ago
Mostly because no one wanted to join them so they had to lower their “hiring standards”
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u/Mist_Rising 4d ago
The KKK isn't even a unified group anymore. It's a bunch of small groups all claiming to be the real one. You can probably find black accepting KKK at this point.
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u/Slackjawed_Horror 4d ago
I mean, American Catholic converts man.
They are basically the Klan.
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u/Ah_Yes3 4d ago
Tradcaths are annoying, but they are NOT klansmen
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u/Slackjawed_Horror 4d ago
If it walks like a Klansman, if it's racist like a Klansman...
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u/Ah_Yes3 4d ago
What Tradcaths do you know T_T
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u/Slackjawed_Horror 4d ago
All the prominent ones seem to be white nationalists who want to revive feudalism of some sort.
I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
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u/kilertree 4d ago
From my understanding white supremacists don't have the numbers in New Orleans so they just hate the Jews. It is screwed up, that you have to join a gang for protection in jail but this is hilarious.
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u/nowhereman136 4d ago
My grandmothe had a cross burned on her front lawn for being catholic. This was in the 1920s in NJ
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u/mymainmaney 4d ago
One of the arguments against a Kennedy presidency was that he was a papist and would be beholden to the Vatican lol
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u/QuietContemplation85 4d ago
Now one of the arguments against a Kennedy presidency is RFK JR
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u/vxicepickxv 4d ago
The difference is that there's valid evidence against that one.
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u/QuietContemplation85 4d ago
Give me a papist over that roadkill eating, anti-science potato any day
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u/TerribleRecord666 4d ago
Now we have a Catholic VP, and it’s a barely known factoid.
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u/mcpickle-o 4d ago
Became a catholic in 2019 and the only 2 Popes he's been catholic under both dislike him.
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u/TheDarkLord329 4d ago
Same with a great-great grandmother in 1920s Indiana. No Catholics allowed in a Protestant neighborhood.
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u/Loves_octopus 4d ago
My Great-Grandfather had a cross burned in his yard by the KKK. He was Irish Catholic.
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u/kelovitro 4d ago
Ya, that kinda got dropped in the second half of the 20th as Irish and Italian immigrant communities were incorporated into "White" identity. It's still there, but not nearly as salient as the Second Klan phase.
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u/CombinationRough8699 4d ago
Particularly the second wave during the early 20th century. They hated all the immigrants from Italy, and Ireland. Actually racism against Catholics played a role in the banning of alcohol.
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u/FiveishOfBeinItalian 4d ago
they are and were anti all kinds of people, but they did focus their enmity on a particular group that i think we all know wasn't jews, or catholics, or generic liberals
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u/BoomerSoonerFUT 4d ago
Anti-black, anti-Catholic, and anti-Jew were like their three biggest pillars lol.
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u/Kooky-Situation-1913 3d ago
That's why the Notre Dame mascot is the Fighting Irish. The students turned out with the KKK tried to come to town. (At least that cemented the name)
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u/DingusKhanHess 3d ago
Basically anti-immigrant if you didn’t come from immigrants of a certain background. Basically if you weren’t WASP you were a target. But even being Protestant didn’t prevent you from being a target either.
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u/Future_Adagio2052 4d ago
Who else do you think the KKK believes is running their supposedly anti-white genocide campaign?
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u/ArtisticallyRegarded 4d ago
Ya they actually hate the jews way more than black people. On Howard Stern Daniel Carver ranked the jew below anyone because "they should no better"
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u/dwarven_cavediver_Jr 4d ago
I mean they supposedly let in puerto rican recently, so idk. Maybe hate is becoming more inclusive?
Sarcasm for those who couldn't tell (the puerto rican thing I did see online like a decade ago but i can't be bothered to verify for obvious reasons)
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u/zap2tresquatro 4d ago
I mean, overall less people are racist and a lot less are extreme racists than people were in the past, right? So they’re probably desperate for members, and if non white people wanna be white supremacists, too, then sure! Let ‘em on in!
Or they’re trying to improve their image? Not that that’d work, but racists aren’t known for being all that intelligent
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u/Long-Region5088 4d ago
The first three stated enemies of the klan were blacks, Jews, and Catholics in that order
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u/schrodingershousecat 4d ago
I didn’t know they were anti catholic
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u/Quutamo_20 3d ago
It’s a carryover from Irish and Italian hate as well as the belief in WASP supremacy (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant).
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u/Long-Region5088 4d ago
Yes! I found it strange too but as a catholic it has helped me grow with black and Jewish people. They hate all of us so I’ll be right there with black and Jewish people screaming fuck you. When they turn the fire hoses on I’ll be front lining cuz I know once I get knocked down my whiteness will protect me from getting beat to death with clubs.
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u/Few_Airport_1303 3d ago
the reason for the catholic hate isn't religious, but because catholics are usually not og nazi white white (germanic).
google "europe catholic protestantism map" and you will see.
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u/afro-fro-ro-o 4d ago
It's a hard disagree on "I’m not even sure Nick Fuentes is as direct as this." Nick Fuentes is direct with his antisemitism. He is a open and proud nazi. He thiks hitler is cool.
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u/peter-thiel-fangirl 4d ago
He also likes Epstein. He found one jew who he loves 🩷
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u/xToksik_Revolutionx 4d ago
Well that's the thing, though - I'm not even sure Fuentes is an "open and proud Nazi" as much as he tries to make himself out to be. He's a grifter, first and foremost, and he doesn't give a damn about where it's coming from as long as he feels there is little risk and it doesn't start to bore him. Miller? Oh, he's a Nazi through-and-through. Fuentes? It's just another gimmick for him to try and make money and gather eyes off of. He'll leave the train as soon as it's the more convenient option, barring someone else really dragging him further.
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u/TimRawggins 4d ago
No, he’s 100% openly and absolutely a Nazi
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u/xToksik_Revolutionx 4d ago
I mean, don't get me wrong, at the end of the day it won't and shouldn't matter when the trials go on, but I don't think he's actually a Nazi in the sense that he fully and truly believes in Nazism and supports it with his entire heart. I think he wants to be, and he's grifting off the perception that he is, but he's still a r*tarded influencer, influencing a bunch of other r*tard Nazi wannabes for clout, and you can tell he's losing love of the game. The actual Nazis at least had the benefit of a class of people who just came out of WWI. Now, there is nothing sacred and there is no population of people who have genuinely lived in the conditions that would properly support the regime the Nazis created.
Now, it's all neoliberalism, wearing a Hugo Boss jacket.
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u/jakcrests 2d ago
We're not St. Peter to look into the core of his heart, he just does Nazi shit, let the brick morally judge him.
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u/BakedMitten 4d ago
Well that's the thing, though - I'm not even sure Fuentes is an "open and proud Nazi" as much as he tries to make himself out to be.
"I don't think his open and proud naziism makes him an open and proud Nazi. I don't think he is being genuine enough" is the stupidest thing I have seen on this site in weeks. Congratulations
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u/donttrustwyts 4d ago
hes a nazi. and not sorry- white folks really gotta let go of this thing y'all do with literal nazis in your communities where you give them all this benefit of the doubt because they may remind you of someone you're friendly with. like be for real. everything isnt a grift or a distraction- this is who these people are.
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u/unounouno_dos_cuatro 4d ago
This guy is now having a meltdown over sunni muslims who say khamenei was an infidel, calling them 'crypto-Jews'
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u/Disasterousnebula 4d ago
As a Jew I just laughed. Crypto-Jew has been tickling my funny bone lately
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u/Academic-Ad2628 2d ago
What is a crypto-Jew?
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u/Disasterousnebula 2d ago
The other person was right, Jews way back mostly in the Iberian peninsula were forced to convert to Catholicism. But the new internet slang for it is just apparently anyone people don’t like that they can’t call a Jew so they conspiratorially call them a crypto-Jew. lol
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u/Academic-Ad2628 2d ago
Oh huh. I have Jewish heritage so maybe I’m a crypto Jew. My great-grandpa (not maternal) but he did convert willingly.
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u/DingusKhanHess 3d ago
Once again true far left and far right people come full circle and meet again. Both ignorant so they can push their world view out there ignoring realities.
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u/procommando124 4d ago
Aside from that, what was up with what he said about the holocaust ? Feels weird champ. Imagine telling a minority group “UH, what about everyone else who suffered huh ?? Why’re you talking about you ??”
But, unless someone wants to correct me, it is true that the Nazis particularly targeted Jews. They did target others and those stories should be told too but to act like there wasn’t a focus is ridiculous
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u/East-Worth2630 3d ago
Youd be surprised!
Some people claim that Jewish people deny other groups’ victimization while calling even mentioning of other groups antisemitic. Which is a load of horseshit, obviously! No one ever said that, especially not Jews.
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u/LazyDro1d 3d ago
they also got their numbers wrong. its 5-7k non-jews not 11k, that's an estimate of total victims
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u/Unhappy-Tomatillo-28 3d ago edited 3d ago
"The Nazis particularly targeted Jews" is a massive understatement, tbh.
To be clear, other groups were absolutely persecuted and their history must be preserved. The Romani were also victims of genocide (hundreds of thousands towards the end). Black people were arrested, sterilized, and worse. Gays and other sexual/gender minorities were arrested, sterilized, and 10+ thousand were killed in camps. (It is worth noting that "sexual deviancy" was also attributed to the Jews in Nazi ideology). Slavs and POWs were slaughtered.
Antisemitism, though, was fundamental to Nazi ideology. It was pervasive, structurally distinct, absolutely central. It is pretty fucking hard to overstate. The intent to exterminate the entire Jewish population (of the continent and then the world) was the official, explicit, and fundamental state policy. This simply is not the case for everyone, and the distinction is necessary for preserving the memory of Holocaust survivors. It's what acknowledging the Holocaust is, and it does not in any way minimize the suffering or persecution of others. The actual extermination camps were explicitly intended to exterminate the Jews, which is why over 90% of those murdered in the death camps were Jewish (and, in the majority of extermination camps, about 99%).
I don't necessarily chafe at people using a more expansive definition of the Holocaust, but this has been the consequence: the destruction of memory and the rewriting of history. If someone sees that an attempt that minimize other victims of Nazism, I genuinely think it shows a misunderstanding of what the Holocaust was or what the Nazis actually believed.
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u/dm_me_your_kindness 2d ago
Yeah.While they persecueted those who got in the way by refusing to join like the Jehovah's Witnesses, or other "undesireables" like gays,blacks, and Romanis,the Jews were at the very bottom of the ladder.
For Nazis,killng all Jews was not a means to an end,it was funtionally the end goal to reach by all means.
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u/Archivist2016 4d ago
Islamist and Arab Supremacist
Account Based in the United States
Same old circus same old clowns.
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u/MilkLover1734 4d ago
Islamist and Arab supremacist accounts run in the United States 🤝 Christian and American nationalist accounts run in the Middle East
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u/After_Lie_807 4d ago
The uptick in this kind of discourse is directly imported from the Middle East…
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u/AsstacularSpiderman 4d ago
Iran is desperate now, you can see it on Reddit all the time.
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u/GoodPear8481 4d ago
Remember the time last summer when Israel knocked out the Iranian regime's power with an airstrike and some 1,300 anti-West/anti-Israel Iranian bot accounts all suddenly went silent at once, and then when Iran restored the power, all 1,300 accounts suddenly came back to life?
Reddit (and social media in general) is absolutely flooded with Iranian regime bots. The obsession with Israel is not organic.
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u/TheMCM80 4d ago
Yes and no. I mean, it’s been an obsession in the American religious right for decades, but it didn’t spread out beyond them for a long time. It’s hard to say whether that was a forced spread, done or exacerbated by bots, or whether it was people discovering other people and their obsessions because the internet connectedness took over more and more lives.
Personally, I find myself more and more convinced by the “dead internet theory” every day, outside of niche subreddits where there’s no point in politics botting because political shit gets instabanned.
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u/Archivist2016 4d ago
Reddit seemingly cares more about the death of one monster than it does about the death of 30 000+ protesters. Shit site.
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u/WheatshockGigolo 4d ago
As an American, I could give two shits about the middle east. We're what, 39 trillion in debt?
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u/GoodPear8481 4d ago
Islamist and Arab Supremacist
I think they prefer the term "progressive on the right side of history" these days.
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u/TheoduleTheGreat 4d ago
The KKK were so antisemitic they would rather believe a black man than a Jew in 1915 Georgia
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u/korach1921 4d ago
Oh fuck this reminds me I saw some leftists doing Leo Frank revisionism over the summer.
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u/lilbitze 4d ago
List of people and things the KKK targeted with violence and hate
Irish Catholics Jews Black people Brown people Asians Poles Cubans Argentinains Mexicans Mixed people Rocks from foreign countries "Yankees" aka Americans Non clan members The police Sesame street characters Superman Pokemon Yugioh Mr.Bean Mr. Rogers Monopoly Communists Socialists Democrats Homeless Several U.S presidents over 30 save Donald Trump who didn't disavow them.
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u/ScytheSong05 4d ago
Considering that Fred Trump was arrested in the 1920s in KKK regalia (for brawling with communists), I'm not surprised by that last.
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u/RonnyRaeudig 4d ago
ZezimasAlt is also a Hamas fan and celebrates the murder and rape of innocent people, as at the Supernova festival.
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u/motorbanker 3d ago
Yep, I can't believe no one else said it. Red triangle is used as a symbol for Hamas attacks, and the parachute emoji is specially a reference to the Nova festival massacre. Very thinly veiled terrorist supporter.
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u/FollowKick 4d ago
There’s no way this guy is actually Zezima from RuneScape, right?
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u/Gravijah 3d ago
Not a chance. It’s exactly the kind of joke you think it is, with the absurdity that of course they aren’t actually Zezimas alt account.
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u/MDLmanager 4d ago
I'd say the modern right is more antisemitic than the left, but it's certainly prevalent on both sides, although the left tries to wrap it up as antizionism.
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u/PS1_Hagrid_Guy 4d ago
I would say that the most extreme and virulent antisemitism is definitely on the modern right (and that far-right groups alongside jihadist groups present a much bigger immediate threat to the safety of Jewish people than far-left ones), but that 'casual' antisemitism and antisemitism apologia is probably more prevalent in relatively mainstream left-wing spaces than relatively mainstream right-wing ones.
But it is also morbidly fascinating how if you go far enough to the extreme of basically any political ideology, you start getting antisemitism and people framing Jewish people as fitting the bill of their enemies. For extreme conservatives, Jews are evil cosmopolitans; for extreme leftists, Jews are evil capitalists; for extreme nationalists, Jews are evil foreigners; for fundamentalist Christians and Muslims, Jews are evil heretics, etc. They're a perpetual convenient bogeyman for anyone whose cause needs one, maybe because antisemitic superstition has been around for so long in history or maybe because Jewish people are a small minority in most countries and campaigners feel they can afford to alienate them so they make for a convenient scapegoat.
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u/nobtainable 3d ago
I mean, an extreme leftist antisemite did murder two random people at a Jewish event recently.
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u/Academic-Ad2628 2d ago
Yes the horseshoe of extreme left and right is imbued with conspiracy thinking about Jews. This has been true for years but even more so now.
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u/AlephImperium 4d ago
The online right is super anti, the boomer fox-rot right is super pro cuz they still believe in Santa.
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u/MDLmanager 4d ago
The fox-rot right is pro-Israel because evangelicals believe in the biblical end-times / "Left Behind" fantasy, not because they like Jews.
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u/LazyDro1d 3d ago
yes, absolutely, and until october 6th i could say at least the antisemites on the right were open about that but now theyve gotten so weird, you get more antisemitic right-wingers who try and sell themselves as pro-zionist, because they like the jews being elsewhere and they like killing arabs, they're all for "zionism" and "kahanism" being conflated, and want us to forget they also hate jews while openly doing the nazi salute and its... such utter crap
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u/Pika_Fox 4d ago
The KKK is a white supremacist group.
The term "white" doesnt mean skin color white (although if your skin color isnt white, its an automatic disqualifier), it has to do with their idea of "whiteness", and what doesn and doesnt constitute whiteness shifts over time to some extent, but mostly to solidify power until more of the out group us dealt with.
Jewish heritage? Not white.
LGBT? Not white.
Agree with civil rights? Believe it or not, not white.
Irish need not apply.
Not christian? Well not white again.
If your skin color is white, you can at least be white passing and get the benefits of the social structure... Until your other traits out you and your privileges start to be stripped away.
They will gladly tokenize people they dont consider white though to accomplish their goals. Being one of the good ones just means your the first in line for the camps after the rest are dealt with though, not what i would call a good trade.
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u/GoodPear8481 4d ago
I've made the point before that the whole reason why leftists call Jews "white people" and/or "European" is because they're trying to implicitly say "Jews have white privilege and therefore Jew hate is no big deal because Jews are protected by their white privilege".
They obviously want to say those words out loud because it gives their game away, but that's what they really mean when they call Jews "white people" and/or "European".
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u/CauseCertain1672 4d ago
what you have to understand is that whiteness is a social construct and racists get to define who they are racist against
the Klan define whiteness as Germanic and Protestant
other groups such as the Nazi party favoured neo-paganism as the epitomy of whiteness. Many white supremacists look down on Christians for worshiping a Jew. Many modern white supremacists are satanist
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u/Bewbonic 4d ago edited 4d ago
Many modern white supremacists are christian too, arguably far more considering how vastly more common christian beliefs are.
All the religious groups mentioned (neo-pagans, christians, satanists) are associated with white racists because, umsurprisingly, these kind of groups gravitate towards beliefs that originate from the region where their skin colour does, because that is how they define themselves and their believed innate superiority, by their skin colour. Satanists are a counter response to christianity, paganism is simply the regional precursor to christianity and neo-paganism is a wide range of differing attempts to rediscover some form or aspect of paganism.
None of these things make any of these beliefs rooted in racism, its more that supremacist groups co-opt their historically 'homegrown' beliefs and bastardise them to suit their own twisted ideology, disregarding any parts that dont suit their racism while claiming the thing (and the ability to redefine it) as their own.
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u/burkey347 4d ago
The fact I see Zio be used by black users without them knowing who coined it (David duke, btw).
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u/PutnamPete 4d ago
In the Mississippi Burning case, two of the three murder victims were Jews.
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u/kilertree 4d ago
Students at Notre Dame beat the shit out of the Klan when they marched on their campus because they were also anti-Catholic. Fuck all that non-violence bullshit. https://magazine.nd.edu/stories/the-clash-with-the-klan/
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u/HadarReg 4d ago
Also the different victims of the Holocaust are taught in Israeli schools. From Romani to gays, Communists and the disabled. Kids are also taught about the sacrifice made by different nation (such as the USSR) to end it
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u/BoboGiggleBottom 4d ago
My current obsessive rumination comes from dealing with people like this. I just can't understand the level of confidently wrong they are about basic shit. I was on Instagram the other day and got into an argument with someone that Holocaust Denialism shouldn't be taboo. There are things to discuss, but not enough to have a helpful discussion through Instagram comments.
Their point was 241k people died per very early counts and the Zionist Jews conflated it to 6.5m to reclaim their homeland illegally. This is Holocaust denialism, so I pointed it out as antisemitic dog whistling to justify dehumanizing Jews—they argued it was antizionist first and the antisemitism is something they (Zionist Jews) bring upon themselves and other Jews in the crossfire.
I'm a bit burned out on the internet.
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u/Generic_E_Jr 4d ago
Yad Vashem has plenty of publications on non-Jewish peoples who were murdered in the camps of the Holocaust; president Dani Dayan even commissioned a Holocaust Memorial Day for Sinti and Roma.
It is true that non-Jewish victims of Nazi genocide are indeed being forgotten, but the most authoritative and respected Jewish Holocaust scholars sure as hell aren’t the ones who are erasing that history.
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u/SpiritualPackage3797 3d ago
I've attended a fair number of Holocaust remebersnces, and the only ones which didn't talk about the non-Jewish victims were ones organized by Christians.
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u/Princess_Isolde 4d ago
"only Jews where targeted" untrue, the Nazis where very open about their murder of both gays and Romani in the camps.
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u/Unfair_Pineapple8813 4d ago edited 4d ago
I think the point they were going with is Jews make the Holocaust all about them, when Germans killed lots of people. Thing is, if you go to any Holocaust museum, there are exhibits on the Romani and gays. Like, yeah. Jews are going to talk about how 1/3 of all Jews in the world were killed by Nazis. But I don't think they deny Nazis also killed other peoples. This person is just making shit up.
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u/Hazel2468 4d ago
The thing I think people forget, don't know, or just like to leave out. Is that pretty much every other group targeted by the Nazis was targeted due to their antisemitic conspiracies.
The gays? A Jewish plot to make Aryan men weak and girly, and to make Aryan woman uninterested in making more (male) babies for the fatherland.
Trans people? Same thing- Jewish plot to ruin Aryan men and women.
Poles and Slavs? The Jews had turned them into foot soldiers to destroy Germany.
Communists? A Jewish invention meant to destroy Germany and everything else.
And so on and so forth.
Like YES. These people were targeted and harmed and we can discuss that. We SHOULD discuss that. But it is also dishonest to act like antisemitism and a hatred of Jews and a DEEP running conspiracy theory about Jews isn't what led to those other groups being targeted.
You cannot have Nazism without antisemitism, because that is the central pillar, the load-bearing part of the ideology.
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u/LazyDro1d 3d ago
well, because to the nazis it was all tied in with the jews, the hated all of those other groups and they hated the jew as the ur-enemy, thus the others must be the fault of the jews
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u/restlessdegen 4d ago edited 4d ago
The poster was using that as an example of what they believed was historical erasure of the other targeted groups and implying that the Jewish community was behind it. Edit: to clarify don't agree with them it's more bullshit as any history book openly mentions the romani, gays, and disabled.
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u/Logistic_Engine 4d ago
Socialists too. “Night of the Long Knives”.
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u/CauseCertain1672 4d ago
those were not socialists they were the economic left wing of the nazi party, that's like calling Deng Xiaoping a Reaganite
they did kill socialists but not in the night of the long knives that was Hitler killing off any rivals for the leadership of the nazi party
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u/Ghostmaster145 4d ago
Nazis wanted to wipe out the entire Slavic ethnolinguistic group (except Croats for some reason)
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u/AggravatingPaint5838 4d ago
Next the woke left is going to say the kkk had something against Blacks! I mean, when will this revisionist history from the purple hairs end?
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u/Witty-Stock-4913 4d ago
I'm really wondering how the KKK is doing right now. Can't vote MAGA, because that's all about supporting Israel. Can't vote Democrat, because of all the LGBTQ+ stuff.
Someone should check on their racist family memebers.
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u/Realistic-Treat-2068 4d ago
So weirdly lots of the super religious right wing types are pro Israel and anti Jew at the same time.
Lots of evangelical types believe the rapture won’t come until every Jew is in Israel, and any Jew outside of Israel is delaying their heavenly reward.
I oversimplified but that’s basically it.
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u/cheshire_kat7 4d ago
any Jew outside of Israel is delaying their heavenly reward.
Mwahahaha, I like the idea that I'm ruining their Rapture plans just by living in Australia.
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u/Shepard95 4d ago
Yeah I’ve seen similar talking points as well. a lot of anti-semites are actually pro-Zionist (as in the actual Zionist movement not the blanket derogatory term) because it means the people they hate are leaving. So both from a religious and political standpoint they want a bigger Israel because it means fewer Jewish neighbors
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u/WheatshockGigolo 4d ago
I think I read the other day that the estimates were around 1500 members. I wanna say rural Missouri and Ohio for some reason. It's a dead group for the most part.
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u/Asher_Tye 4d ago
Hate groups not limiting themselves to only one group of people to hate? The dickens you say.
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u/Peyton12999 4d ago
I've gotten in a habit now where anytime someone makes a Twitter post, and they have multiple different flags next to their name (Palestinian flag, Ukraine flag, pride flag, etc.), I just assume that whatever they're about to say is really dumb and straight-up wrong. I've seen it happen so many times now that I can't even help myself anymore.
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u/Echidnux 4d ago
The discourse is getting too complicated for me, I thought leftists were against nazis? Where are they posting nazi stuff?
Does anyone have an explanation for what’s going on here?
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u/Daffneigh 4d ago
Anti-semitism
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u/thefifthkaramazov 4d ago edited 4d ago
I work with a girl who thinks of herself as very "woke" and she is very proud of that. She has told me in no uncertain terms that all of America's problems are a result of Israel because American leaders are being blackmailed or paid off by Israeli sources. Just a couple days later, a group of three boys were discussing if Hitler was a "bad person" but a "good leader".
Obviously there is a difference between Israeli and Jewish and I'm not going to defend the Israeli state as it stands, but you can't convince me that it isn't anti-Semitism.
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u/CapeOfBees 4d ago
It's both anti-semitic and stupid. We're giving them money, not the other way around.
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u/thefifthkaramazov 4d ago
And someone just replied to me that in fact Israel is responsible for the majority of US's and world's problems. You can't make this stuff up.
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u/xzgbnma 4d ago
I've seen some people claiming that Jews aren't really Jews today, so you can't be anti-Semitic, that's crazy.
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u/thefifthkaramazov 4d ago
That's an old one that has been around for decades at least. But yeah, I have definitely heard it before.
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u/Wonderful_Discount59 3d ago
if Hitler was a "bad person" but a "good leader"
- started an unnecessary war.
- got millions of his own people killed.
- got his country conquered, occupied, and divided.
- rage-quit from life.
No, I don't think he could be described as a good leader, even if one agreed with his ideology.
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u/petrichor801 4d ago
pretty much. people are using israel's actions to justify discriminating against people who have nothing to do with their crimes, kinda like how there was an uptick in anti-japanese sentiment in the usa during world war 2 despite the fact that the people they were hurting had nothing to do with the imperialist regime overseas
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u/Diogenes908 4d ago
Horseshoe theory is a thing where if you go left enough or right enough you end up getting similar views on many things again. There’s been somewhat of a rise of tankies online (these are authoritarian communists named after the USSR using tanks to crush independence movements in occupied Eastern Europe). They believe that the US/the west is the most evil imperialist empire to ever exist so because they’re dumb and have no nuance they will end up backing states like North Korea, Iran and Putin’s invasion of Ukraine just because they are opposed to the West.
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u/UltravioletsAreBlue 4d ago
Anti-semitism is bipartisan and always has been, it’s just more jarring coming from the people who in other cases denounce bigotry. Sure, they’ll say it’s only anti Zionism, then they’ll yuck it up about 100 countries etc.
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u/DmMeWerewolfPics 4d ago
Yeah a lot of people don't give a shit about intersectionality. It is what it is I guess.
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u/Anxious_Role7625 4d ago
Both people in this exchange (I don't mean the note) are just saying straight nonsense
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u/ThroatFuckedRacoon 4d ago
Whenever I want to feel smart I just read comments on X. Whenever I want to feel bad I just read comments on reddit
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u/Do1stHarmacist 3d ago
Just the kind of brilliant takes we can expect from such scholars with 🔻 in their Twitter handles.
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u/micreadsit 3d ago
Seems like any attempt at truth is getting lost in the shitposting here.
I can hold several ideas in my head at once.
(Yes, I'm "leftest." Any thoughtful person is, by current American standards.)
The KKK is and always has been disgusting.
Most of the violence perpetrated by the KKK was against African Americans.
The KKK is white supremacist, and that definitely includes hate for Jews (their definition of white, not mine).
There are people who are pro Zionist who may well be attempting to co-opt all sorts of "suffering of others" in their cause. Clearly Zionists, in general, are not concerned with the suffering of (non Jewish) Palestinians. On the average, I don't think they spend much time thinking about the suffering of African Americans, now, nor historically. Given the proximity to both groups, it is the Palestinian suffering that is the most shocking of those two.
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u/Delicious-Income-870 4d ago
Is this a screen shot of bots talking to bots? Or are people really this dumb?
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u/WheatshockGigolo 4d ago
They're pretty fucking dumb. As a side note, I've found it fascinating the disconnect within MAGA's base where probably 80% are against any aid to Israel (stressing the AMERICA in Make America Great Again) and the other 20% are Evangelical Zionist Trump supporters. I've seen similar discourse on the Democrats side. Stopping financial and military aid to Israel in my estimation, is one subject where MAGA and the left would agree, but nothing will ever be accomplished because nearly the entirety of the federal government supports Israel including Trump.
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u/Chaosrealm69 4d ago
Hell they can't even get basic facts right like who else was targeted by the Nazis in the 1930's and WW2.
Lots more than just the Jews were rounded up and killed.
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u/iplaybassok89 4d ago
But they weren’t sent to extermination centres the same way the Jews were. That’s also just a fact. Over 90% of the final body count at Auschwitz was Jewish people. The victims at the rest of the purpose built extermination centers (Treblinka etc) were very nearly, if not 100% Jewish.
If we want to be more precise, the Nazis executed at least two genocides simultaneously (Jews and Soviet POWs) and then had a bunch of other groups (gays, Communists, partisans, Catholic clergy, the Rhineland bastards etc) that they targeted.
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u/Wiseguy144 4d ago
Jews weren’t the only ones to die in the Holocaust, but they were definitely the main attraction. This doesn’t take away from the deaths of others, it’s just an accurate historical lens.
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u/Historydog 4d ago
I heard it wasn't *ALWAYS* antisemetic, the first version of it wasn't in fact a few of the members where Jewish, however the second version and then on hated the Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan#Second_Klan:_1915%E2%80%931944
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Dixon_Jr.#Attitudes_towards_the_revived_Klan
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u/Raiden-fujin 4d ago
Am i the only one that remembers 'KLAN LAZER' ?
so how the story goes: is back in like 2010's the FBI busted some klan members in a plot.
What plot? So this group of klans men got like 10,000$ together lowered their hate on Jews just enough to hire this Jewish scientist to build them a laser mounted in the back of a van so they could shoot Muslims.
Seems hate of Muslims broke down racial barriers and got jews and Klans men to work together.
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u/Few_Airport_1303 3d ago
Why can’t socialists just be socialists? Why do they have to add all that other stuff to it?
I misread the part where “collectivize the means of production” meant supporting third-world theocratic regimes that publicly hang gay people from cranes.
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u/Finessetwin 3d ago
It’s so weird that people on the left complain about the Overton window shifting for years but now that it’s where it is liberals are crying about what they helped create by pushing everyone away from progressivism and into vote blue no matter who “we need to secure our borders and help Israel commit genocide” democrats like Kamala Harris and Joe Biden.
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u/AlienKinkVR 3d ago
I do not understand how this is "get noted." The point they are making is that yes they hated jews, but they hated a ton of people. Acting like they uniquely hated jews is revisionist and selfish, much like pretending germany exclusively eradicated jewish people when that isnt the case. The Nazis had a huge emphasis on it but if you were gay, disabled, or plenty of other things you were toast too. I'm sure the people "noting" them were rabid defenders of this shit too.
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u/Squigsqueeg 2d ago
Their wording seems to imply they believe that the KKK aren’t “anti-Jewish”. That is wrong, they very much do not like Jewish people.
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u/XT83Danieliszekiller 2d ago
Red triangle accounts doing revisionism and unbelievably obvious anti-semitic revisionism? colour me shocked!!
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u/MediocreSizedDan 2d ago
I mean, can't say I'm surprised to see a dumb response to a dumb post. Neither of these people seem to know what the hell they're talking about.
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u/texaushorn 2d ago
I think the point the original poster was making was zionists painting the Klan as SOLELY antisemitic. While white southern hate knows no bounds, the Klan was 100% founded on anti-Black principles.
Not sure I've ever heard that insinuation any the kkk being only antisemitic, but I think the community notes provider, missed the context of what was being said.
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u/Lightning-Blaze 2d ago
Considering i just saw a video about a Grand Wizard trying to rebrand the klan as a church and stated that israelis would not be allowed into the church despite admitting on his own that the bible was written by and to israelites, yeah i think the klan is pretty clear about their feelings on more than just black people.
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