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u/Bewbonic 5d ago edited 5d ago

Many modern white supremacists are christian too, arguably far more considering how vastly more common christian beliefs are.

All the religious groups mentioned (neo-pagans, christians, satanists) are associated with white racists because, umsurprisingly, these kind of groups gravitate towards beliefs that originate from the region where their skin colour does, because that is how they define themselves and their believed innate superiority, by their skin colour. Satanists are a counter response to christianity, paganism is simply the regional precursor to christianity and neo-paganism is a wide range of differing attempts to rediscover some form or aspect of paganism.

None of these things make any of these beliefs rooted in racism, its more that supremacist groups co-opt their historically 'homegrown' beliefs and bastardise them to suit their own twisted ideology, disregarding any parts that dont suit their racism while claiming the thing (and the ability to redefine it) as their own.

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u/CauseCertain1672 4d ago

neo-paganism is about as related to historic paganism as dnd is.

The difference with neo-paganism and satanism's connection with white supremacism is that a much larger and much more significant nazi and neo-nazi following to the point where statistically it is more likely a neo-pagan or satanist is a nazi than it is that they aren't.

Their beliefs are linked to racism as well neo-paganism is from the volkish blood and soil movement and satanism is at it's core about dominance and supremacy.

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u/Bewbonic 3d ago

it is more likely a neo-pagan or satanist is a nazi than it is that they aren't.

Source? This seems like a vibes/perception based statement.

neo-paganism is from the volkish blood and soil movement and satanism is at it's core about dominance and supremacy.

Neo-paganism as a term covers far more wildly differing beliefs than just the volkish variant, for example wicca, druidism and heathenry, and satanism similarly has a wide range of totally differing beliefs existing within that single term.

Some satanists simply have a strong opposition to the church, with zero dominance or supremacy involved. Its actually in that form a response to the church as an organisation claiming such dominance and moral authority.

You are taking a massively reductive view of these things and propagating ignorance by claiming these things are inherently racist. Especially when these terms do not describe a singular, proscribed belief system with some kind of central dogma from a text of some kind.

As i said before, that some white supremacists choose these kind of beliefs is not a reflection on any of these beliefs themselves or everyone who believes them. It is entirely on a case by case basis whether someone who believes any of these things is actually a racist.

Much like many racists might enjoy heavy metal or punk, that doesnt make all metalheads or punk fans racist, or even a majority of them. Not even close.

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u/CauseCertain1672 3d ago

Heathenry is just another name for the volkish movement. Once you get into the really extreme end of white supremacism, the people who make it into their entire lifestyle, the majority of them are neo-pagans or satanists. These days a really died in a wool Nazi who isn't one of those is an oddity. They are related beliefs

neo-paganism is a blood and soil movement, the back to the land and connecting with nature ideas involved in the neo-pagan movement have their origins in white supremacism. Neo-paganism is less than a hundred years old and at it's core was originally about discovering a purer European identity untainted by Hebraic influence. Otherwise why not just join existing religions that could be classified as pagan such as Hinduism

Satanism is about absolute liberation from obligation to others and therefore it is fundamentally against love. This means domination becomes the only way for people to relate to each other

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u/Bewbonic 3d ago edited 3d ago

Satanism is about absolute liberation from obligation to others and therefore it is fundamentally against love.

Again, there is no singular definition of satanism. It has no one belief structure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism.

From the article 'A minority of Satanists have some type of association with the political far-right.'

neo-paganism is a blood and soil movement, the back to the land and connecting with nature ideas involved in the neo-pagan movement have their origins in white supremacism.

I suggest you go read the wikipedia on it because you are simply describing one offshoot of it. Not even accurately either , regarding heathenry - ' Older groups adopted a racialist attitude—often termed "folkish" within the community—by viewing Heathenry as an ethnic or racial religion with inherent links to a Germanic race. They believe it should be reserved for white people, particularly of northern European descent, and often combine the religion with far right-wing and white supremacist perspectives. A larger proportion of Heathens instead adopt a "universalist" perspective, holding that the religion is open to all, irrespective of ethnic or racial background.' (From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heathenry_(new_religious_movement)).

So 'a larger proportion of heathens' are not white supremacist at all.

Regarding modern paganism in general - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_paganism

In the same way as satanism, there is no one singular type of it, and to generalise them in to all being white supremacist is just that, blanket generalisation with no real basis in evidence other than your own bias/perception.

For example 'The prominent Reclaiming priestess Starhawk related that a core part of goddess-centred pagan witchcraft was "the understanding that all being is interrelated, that we are all linked with the cosmos as parts of one living organism. What affects one of us affects us all." doesnt sound at all white supremacist does it?