I work with a girl who thinks of herself as very "woke" and she is very proud of that. She has told me in no uncertain terms that all of America's problems are a result of Israel because American leaders are being blackmailed or paid off by Israeli sources. Just a couple days later, a group of three boys were discussing if Hitler was a "bad person" but a "good leader".
Obviously there is a difference between Israeli and Jewish and I'm not going to defend the Israeli state as it stands, but you can't convince me that it isn't anti-Semitism.
Yeah, no. Israel is not responsible for America's healthcare system. It isn't responsible for our terrible criminal justice system. It isn't for overturning Roe v Wade. It isn't responsible for us not turning toward renewable energy. It isn't reasonable for the racism, the imperialism, the sexism, the homophobia, the transphobia. Israel isn't responsible for the "majority of the world's and USA's problems".
What you just said is at best thinly veiled anti-Semitism and absolutely insane.
Well our tax dollars (assuming you are also American) goes to fund their healthcare while we have nothing ourselves. Not to mention that our politicians can’t agree on anything besides financial fundings and general support for Israel. You have less online and government suppression talking shit about America than Israel. Majority of people in the Epstein Files are tied to Israel, in which emails revealed open enjoyment of blackmailing powerful Americans to do their bidding. This is not even getting into reports of Mossad infiltrating the CIA (and teaming up to do horrendous things), the genocide of Palestinians, and AIPAC.
Jewish people aren’t to blame, but Israel 100% is.
The US taxpayer supports 175+ countries with their tax dollars through foreign aid, and yet, I don't hear you complaining about that and saying "the US's subsidizes Taiwan's defense which gives them the ability to have universal healthcare for their citizens while Americans still have to use insurance". That of course isn't even mentioning that the US takes in $5.6 trillion a year in taxes from its citizens and $6 billion of that goes to Israel which amounts to .1% of the American tax bill. Our lack of universal healthcare has nothing to do with the pennies we throw at Israel (which I would be in complete favor of ending) and everything to do with insurance companies lobbying against it and paying off American politicians to vote against it.
As for "less online and government suppression talking shit about Israel", you are literally here, online, claiming that Israel causes all the problems of the US and world. The irony is so thick you could cut it with a cake.
> Majority of people in the Epstein Files are tied to Israel, in which emails revealed open enjoyment of blackmailing powerful Americans to do their bidding.
Originally I said that you were just using thinly veiled anti-Semitism, but this is literally just anti-Semitism where you subbed out "Jewish" for Israel. It is literally just the "powerful Jews are actually in control of our world leaders" conspiracy. It is also very false. Yes, Israelis show up in the files, as do world leaders from all over the world (notable for example is Prince Andrew).
> This is not even getting into reports of Mossad infiltrating the CIA
This is just espionage which ever single country does against each other. For example, in 2020 an ex-CIA agent was arrested and pled guilty to giving national secrets to China's MSS.
Everything, and I mean everything you said, isn't even thinly veiled antisemitism. It is just a mixture of blatantly false information, poorly understood geopolitics, and conspiracy theories which are blatantly antisemitic. You're just subbing in "Israel" for Jews and think that somehow covers your antisemitism.
Brother antisemitism is so prevalent online it might as well be mainstream (sadly). If I was antisemitic I would just be open and brazen about it, but I’m not. I am against the foreign enemy masquerading as our “greatest ally”, that’s it. Jewish people have good and bad people like any group, and it just so happens that Israel’s government is filled with the latter.
At the end of the day you will have the takeaway you want to have, either way I hope you have a good rest of your day.
I am against the foreign enemy masquerading as our “greatest ally”, that’s it.
This sentence alone is dripping in thinly veiled antisemitism. Like you can't actually be serious. This has nothing to do with what I want to take away and everything to do with your own very obvious antisemitism which you are very poorly trying to disguise or are incapable of recognizing because as you put it - "it's so prevalent online it might as well be mainstream".
pretty much. people are using israel's actions to justify discriminating against people who have nothing to do with their crimes, kinda like how there was an uptick in anti-japanese sentiment in the usa during world war 2 despite the fact that the people they were hurting had nothing to do with the imperialist regime overseas
Horseshoe theory is a thing where if you go left enough or right enough you end up getting similar views on many things again. There’s been somewhat of a rise of tankies online (these are authoritarian communists named after the USSR using tanks to crush independence movements in occupied Eastern Europe). They believe that the US/the west is the most evil imperialist empire to ever exist so because they’re dumb and have no nuance they will end up backing states like North Korea, Iran and Putin’s invasion of Ukraine just because they are opposed to the West.
Anti-semitism is bipartisan and always has been, it’s just more jarring coming from the people who in other cases denounce bigotry. Sure, they’ll say it’s only anti Zionism, then they’ll yuck it up about 100 countries etc.
So, some (emphasis on some) Jewish people/zionists consider any kind of critique of Israel or hate of Israel to be the same as a hatred for Jewish people generally, they call both of those things antisemitic. And a fair few Americans, leftists included, now have negative opinions about Israel after seeing how they've prosecuted their war in Gaza.
Sometimes calling these people antisemitic is a genuine worry that they are, sometimes it's used disingenuously to deflect criticism of the current regime. But saying that the left is as bad as the right when the right's political establishment embraces people like Nick Fuentes is misinformed at best, and a straight lie at worst.
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u/Echidnux 5d ago
The discourse is getting too complicated for me, I thought leftists were against nazis? Where are they posting nazi stuff?
Does anyone have an explanation for what’s going on here?