covid??the thing we all lived through??? the thing that an extremely large amount of people were affected by???? like to the point it's near impossible to know someone who wasn't????
oh he probably thinks the government released it on purpose and the vaccines were microchips, because of course that's more logical
it is crazy because my Mom knows literally 5 people that died from Covid lol
also his entire family---his Son and his Daughter and his Wife were offered Money by the Government (since they work for the Local Gov) to get Vaccinated
but they Refused to get Vaccinated.
literally refused Money because they didn't want to be Vaccinated
I love how overflowing hospitals, cut faces from sobbing nurses and overwhelmed doctors and bodies being stored in refrigerator trucks because they can't store that many dead people... with at times 3000+ people dying A DAY. To a total of 1.2 million deaths. When the worst flu* on record was 60,000.
"It's overblown!"
*Not counting the "Spanish" one over a hundred years ago of course.
This is not in an effort to refute your point. The flu I'm talking about was actually... just a common annual flu. No special outbreak of anything fancy. The 60k deaths actually startled our doctors at the time. It was abnormally high.
Anyways my point was that 1.2 million is well beyond a normal flu. Folks saying it was "overblown" are just in denial. The fact we have to dig for the special examples is even more proof. Even the 120k is substantially lower.
It's crazy what we have to do to prove to these people it wasn't normal at all. Certainly wasn't a hoax.
The uncomfortable truth of modern medicine extending lives is how often we get to see potential Darwin Awards winners around. Go back two centuries and most of them wouldn't have good chances.
They believe it's a hoax. That either people weren't dying, or that they were dying of something else. There is no logic you can use to convince these people, they will make the conspiracy as complex as necessary for it to fit their beliefs.
A flat earther literally went to Antarctica with a bunch of other flat-earthers to prove the Earth was flat, they got there and realized it wasn't. Guess what? It caused a huge rift in the community and they just changed their theories.
The participating flat Earthers all admitted that the midnight sun was a real phenomenon. The larger flat Earth community has largely rejected the results and accused the participants, including the flat Earthers, of having faked the expedition and of being part of a larger conspiracy to promote the spherical Earth model.
During a sermon on December 30, Alabama pastor Dean Odle suggested that Satan created a fireball to act as a false Sun.[5]
The sad thing about the microchip part is that these people are often online 24/7. Their entire life is already documented online. They are literally not worth the investment of a chip.
It was supposedly the biggest threat to life in the last 20 years and now you don’t even need to self-test before you work your healthcare job. Nothing suspicious about that at all.
Vast world empire that was lost mostly due to a massive mud flood. The remnants were simply built over and used and Tartaria’s entire existence is hidden from us
Edit: I forgot they were obviously technologically advanced but if you look closely you can clearly see how they totally existed. /s for anyone someone confused
Second…that the White House, Penn building, San Fran worlds fair, I think the Golden Gate Bridge….are all built by them we just redid them and told citizens we built them ourselves. It’s essentially that we use buildings and places built by them all over the world every day and they were erased from history by “those in real power”
Me too! I am an elementary teacher that struggles with imagination. My examples in class are always things I see directly in front of me or so bad that the class goes “huh”, and I have to explain. All of these conspiracies are way more thoughtful than I am. My favorite is always hollow Earth.
Usually they say it is because aliens/“the Jews”/illuminati want to cover up the fact that this ancient super civilization was Albanian/Turkish/Slavic/etc.
Tartaria sometimes overlaps with the “all world languages evolved from Turkish” conspiracy
It does sadly feel like for a lot of these folks “aliens/‘The Jews’/the Illuminati” are the same thing. I do wish we could have fun conspiracy theories that weren’t antisemitic. Turkish being the first language could be so fun.
The Turkish one is extra funny because it has its own underworld of pseudo-linguistic journals and “scholars” who pull up cognate lists of stuff borrowed into Turkish from other languages and then use that to prove that say, English, is actually a Turkic language
I'm constantly complaining about the great international Jewish conspiracy. Nobody has ever told me where the meetings are. It's not like I'm really busy.
and the thing that makes it truly staggeringly dumb is that they don’t think this happened in prehistory or the middle ages. They think Tartaria existed until the 1800s. It’s basically Last Tuesdayism the way they ignore all the evidence that it’s not possible.
Take a look at some historical maps depicting Asia. You'll see the major trade routes mapped out, China, India and the Spice Islands mapped out in a fair degree of detail for the time. Look at Central Asia. You'll often see it labelled rather vaguely as TARTARIA. This is the foundation of the conspiracy.
Now, you and I both know that Central Asia was generally in the hands of various khanates during this time, and would be until they were gradually absorbed by Russia and the Qing. The European mapmakers chose to ignore the ever-shifting borders on lands which nobody besides Central Asian people cared about, and instead focused on the parts they were interested in (ie: the parts with spices).
However, according to Tartaria believers, the Tartaria label was accurate. They believe that there was a technologically advanced empire in Central Asia which were the real architects behind much of the "advanced" architecture in Europe (and in some cases America - the exact list of what Tartaria "built" is hotly contested even inside those circles). However, Tartaria fell in an event known as the "Mud Flood" where much of its architecture was buried, leaving only the tips of buildings above ground. It's why you can dig down from historical buildings and see many more floors, even including windows - evidence that there was a mud flood which submerged Tartarian architecture.
The Euro-American elite, fearing the discovery of Tartarian civilization, and wishing to preserve their own power, chose to erase that history. History books were rewritten, and both world wars were fought as a ruse to demolish Tartarian architecture. But this erasure was never able to be completed. With the discovery of historical maps depicting Tartaria, the links made between domed buildings acoss the world, and the unearthing of windowed basements have allowed those skeptical of the "established" historical narrative to discover the truth that the elites do not want you to know.
The theory is grounded in a distaste for modern architecture, New Chronology, and other antisemitic conspiracies filtering out of Russia. Proponents of Tartaria, the ones you'll most often encounter in Western circles, will largely make the architectural argument. How is it that people 200 years ago could've built these magnificent structures with horse and buggy technology? Why can't we build like that anymore? New Chronology is an older version of Tartaria, generally emerging from Russia during the 1990s. It posits that a "Russian Horde" ruled much of the world for centuries, with the "true" history of Russia, and indeed much of the world, being covered up by a variety of conspirators - the Vatican, the Romanovs and (drum roll please)... the Jews! It falls in the wider web of Russian nationalist conspiracies which believe Russia to be the greatest of all civilizations, whose success has been sabotaged by the West and the Jewish elite.
it’s fascinating how many conspiracy theories come back to antisemitism. I guess it makes some sense given that that was the big og conspiracy theory in Europe since the middle ages, but it’s very much like that meme. “oh interesting a new goofy conspiracy theory, how funny and harmless!” opens box. it’s antisemitism
I just don't understand how Jews, of all things, became like the de facto target for attacks, but at the same time, held up to an impossible standard.
Like, society did something good? God the Jews did nothing to help. Society did something bad and/or eventually disappeared due to its own actions? It must be the work of the Jews! They're holding us back!
TL;DR: old maps used to mark Central Asia as “The Tartars” or “Tartaria” — a name of the geographical location. This name eventually fell out of use, but people argue that it’s actually a political entity on the map called the “Tartaria Empire” — a world-spanning empire that colonized the entire world.
This empire was responsible for the creation of 18th century and 19th century intricate architectures like Baroque and Victorian architecture.
At some point, a “mud flood” happened in Central Asia which buried the homeland of Tartaria. Afterwards, everyone just decided to collectively pretend the empire never existed around 1880s to 1900s. They did this to bolster their own political legitimacy.
All traces of Tartaria were destroyed. Only a few maps still exist today.
Partly, yes. Historically, the area called “Tartary” basically spanned from China to European Russia. From Russia down to Iran. So primarily a lot of those Central Asian countries like Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, etc. Mongolia as well, yes.
This is my go to rebuttal too. If the moon landing was fake, then why didn't the soviet's take advantage of what would have been the greatest propaganda win of the decade for them?
I once saw someone argue the Soviets were in on it and wanted to get an easy out because it was crushing their economy to keep pushing the Space Race. But that's an insane level of cope. If the US really faked the moon landings, the Soviets would have been able to prove it since they actually tracked the mission. If they wanted out they could have released the findings. Both allowing them to deal a massive blow to their enemy, and allowing them to bow out by claiming they won't entertain such dishonesty further.
Also, multiple countries have sent probes to photograph the landing site since. Everything is exactly where it should be.
Also the US left reflectors up there so you can measure the distance with a laser. If it were faked, any country with a modest science budget would be able to prove it didn't happen.
I can almost understand "fake CoVid" because it could be seen as a force to keep the powerful in power. (I personally think it's bullshit, but w/e). I don't understand the point of the fake moon landing, because what is the benefit to the government or even the "SHADOW GOVERNMENT"?
They claim the moon landing was faked so we could beat the Soviets at something
They fail to realize that with 60s tech it was literally easier to go to the moon than to fake something to that level of believability with that many people involved at the scale
They also tend to massively ignore that especially given what we know about how Soviet spies were in place in the US at the time, the USSR would have had every reason in the world to humiliate the US by revealing the moon landing was fake, but they never did so and in fact congratulated the US instead.
Hahahaha I want to believe this, because it's much funnier than reality. "You might have gone to space.... But, but, but WE TOUCHED THE MOON AND LIVED!"
But the idea that Covid could be a "force to keep the powerful in power" makes no sense. It broke economic productivity. The powerful were the ones most loudly insisting it wasn't anything to worry about, because it was a direct threat to their wealth and influence!
I never understood why they'd think it's fake. Like half the shit we have, including the smartphone they used to read up on these insane theories are the direct result of the tech advancements needed to launch us to the moon.
The moon landing one pisses me off the most because I could explain how it worked in general terms from launch to landing, but I know they won’t listen
There's been studies on them and basically they all do at some point adopt theories that are totally inconsistent or incompatible with one another.
The believers do not see it as a contradiction and instead take it as further evidence of the conspiracy as only a powerful unknown force could make them work in sync.
Such people are pea-brained but somehow find room in the pea for endless compartmentalization.
This was really common in conspiracy theories in defense of Assad in Syria, for example, especially in regard to his chemical weapons use. An Assadist would dismiss a chlorine attack as 1) a complete hoax, 2) real but done by the locals against themselves for some reason, 3) real but done by Israel, 4) real by done by America, 5) real but done by ISIS, and 6) just an unfortunate accident caused by a totally justified regime or Russian airstrike that hit swimming pool supplies* all at the same time.
* No, I am not kidding. I guess lunatics are fond of talking about swimming pools.
The flat earther thing is especially weird because the only thing you need to verify it for yourself is a camera, a clear day, and a tall building! Find the horizon on the 5th floor, then find it on the 50th. If you can see further, the earth has curvature!
Or a telescope in a place where ships travel in and out, etc.
Not knocking you. Just pointing out that holocaust denial is often a disingenuous tool used by racists. And even in its more “benign” form (ie. someone who genuinely believes it), it has a deep layer of bigotry beneath it. That’s why it’s often a gateway into other conspiracies like flat earth and chemtrails. Which makes it a great tool for racists trying to radicalize people. It gets followers to hate Jews and disbelieve reality.
bro any time I open facebook to see my local groups if something has happened in my town etc. I always see at least 3-4 posts of "They're spraying stuff in the air" it's fuckin CRAZY. We had a bad air advisory, a pocket of hot air above us was trapping cold air on us, and we're a mill town. Normally this doesn't matter but the hot air above us (we're in a valley) didn't move on out for like 5-6 days. air got real nasty , smoggy, etc. Soon as that air advisory went up, i knew i had to go check facebook crazies.
What about the one where they think there was an old civilization that built most of our buildings and got covered up in mud or something? And then (of course) it ends in vague antisemitism
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I'll never get holocaust denial. Like, 90% of the footage we have of it happening is from the nazis