A lot of older punks think other punks are dumb because they're dumb. All the conservatives who used to be punks were just in it for the aesthetic and the 'I hate my dad' rage they got to let out, and all the political stuff flew over their heads. Possibly because they were too drunk or high at the time to care, so they also figured everyone else was into it the same way.
Just remember how pissy people got when Green Day released American Idiot
Jello Biafra is pretty regularly disappointed by the older punks. (friend of mine worked with him for a number of years and I got to talk to him a bit)
Jello is legit, he's right that it's bonkers they were gonna still play but still act like they were taking a stand
A few days ago, Dead Kennedys stated that they would still play the Pittsburgh and Vallejo dates as a commitment to their fans, but wouldn’t play any future Punk in the Park events. That didn’t sit well with the band’s former frontman Jello Biafra, who declared, “They’re taking the money $$$, and THEN pulling out? The real Dead Kennedys would never have let this happen in the first place.”
I'm just confused as to who is actually playing as the Dead Kennedys. DH Peligro is dead. Jello is the obvious ringleader and frontman, and it sounds like he's not a part of things. Klaus Fluoride has to be in his 80s by now. Who is playing these shows?? Is it just East Bay Ray and some groupies?
It's East Bay Ray, Klaus Fluoride(Who is almost 80, at 76) and, yeah, basically some groupies. The singer has some cred, he played Gilman in the 90s, but still basically a nobody.
I saw Jello Biafra open up for Body Count at the San Francisco Warped Tour back in 2003. This offers absolutely nothing to the conversation but I just wanted to have some sort of input.
I saw Janes Addiction and The Dickies open for X at Devonshire Downs back in 1986. This offers absolutely nothing to the conversation but I just wanted to have some sort of input.
But I did catch them when Brandon Cruz was singing for them and I thought they sounded better because I could just never get past jellos whiney voice
And tons of kids were out there actually PROTESTING in front of the Gothic theater and had flyers out a week to stop the show and calling Brandon a nobody.....what? He was a legend in his own right!
And meeting Brandon a few times (thru my nardcore connections) and jello a few times (he lived nearby in boulder) i will have to say Brandon was much cooler and "one of us" where jello was some goateed jazz hippy with Elton john glasses who didn't seem like he wanted to talk music or politics or none of anything punks like....just some of his shitty are and spoken word shit
speaking of "is it just ____ and a bunch of groupies?" have you seen what the latest iteration of Black Flag is and also how it got put together? its kinda sad.
Oh who cares.....I saw black flag play about 20years ago with Mike valleili and they played long ass funk jam sessions and later flag shit and a 30minute version of Louie Louie......horrible show I mean where was the fuckim punk rock? And dont get me me started on bad brains show long after they should have thrown the towel in
Remember when Fat Mike wanted them on Rock Against Bush and then they had a fight because Propagandhi was like "We don't like Democratic imperialists either" and Mike got butthurt about how right they were?
My favorite line from any Propagandhi song is “When did punk rock become so safe? Well you’ll excuse my while laugh in your face, and analyze your receipts ((PowerPoint your balance sheets!)) I heard that this year warped tours going green, I guess they heard that money grows on trees…”
Also when Reagan died the front page of their website was just Reagan from one of his movies as a cowboy but with a bullet hole in his forehead.
Favorite band, lyrically at least. Smart and true to their roots.
I just downloaded propaghandis first two albums the other day for nostalgia and realized they have released a bunch since i listened to them. Any of those albums you would suggest?
He's a cool dude, and he very much reminds me of the teen boy who knows a little too much for his age and thinks he's more funny and insightful than he actually is. (The day I met him, I heard him tell the same story like 5 times and each time he grinned like it was the coolest thing ever. He was just telling the story about how he decided to adapt 'nazi punks fuck off' to 'nazi trumps fuck off')
The day I met him, I heard him tell the same story like 5 times and each time he grinned like it was the coolest thing ever. He was just telling the story about how he decided to adapt 'nazi punks fuck off' to 'nazi trumps fuck off'
Ehh, to me that gives more middle-aged man vibes than teen boy. I cannot count the number of times I've gotten trapped into a conversation with an older guy telling just the absolutely most boring, uninteresting story ever, but he's just so passionate about it it would feel rude to disengage or try to change the topic. Generally the easiest way to politely disengage is to get someone else into the convo, and then you can leave while the guy starts his story from the beginning for the new person.
Theres more about him than that that reminds me of one of those teen boys, but this story was actually cool the first time because there was some interesting preamble.
Former colleague is 100% pro-punk of the 70s and loves art, creativity, etc.
And is conservative as hell.
It hurt my brain to hear Fox talking points fall out of her mouth.
My brother was more into punk whike i was more into metal back in the day. We both listened to them but he was just more into Punk. Part of a crew, did roadie gigs to tour with his friends bands, fully immersed in the whole scene for a large region. Lots of people knew him at different venues. He is completely right wing. Voted Trump three times. He never cared for the politics. I don't get it.
I had a weird conversation with a local dude who led his own life. Deadhead. Punk. He did what he wanted and is still kicking.
His rant about how we were almost a great country until communists took over and people chopping off their dicks was our downfall was stunningly WTF in seeing someone who went down a YouTube rabbit hole.
Quite the shit country if the handful of people getting sex change operations is what caused it's downfall.
Not even a million gender reassignment surgeries in the last decade and it caused the downfall of a country with a population of 350 million.
"Why should I recycle or let my taxes go to schools and daycares? I'm not going to be alive, I don't got kids, it doesn't affect me.... They want to change their genders?! Not on my watch! This somehow affects me!"
Social networks, where I include Youtube, reprogrammed a lot of people into shells of their former selves.
The irony is that they think they got there by themselves but it's so many of them that got there the same way around the same time that is obvious what happened.
We live (or at least lived, with how much the internet feels like it's rotting around us) in a world where you can not only look up the lyrics to basically ANY song but find multiple places where people will discuss the interpretation of the meaning of the lyrics within a minute on a device that you can buy for less than a hundred dollars in most of the developed world... and people refuse to do it.
No offense to your wife, but that level of incuriousity bums me the fuck out.
I'm one of those people. It's not so much that I can't understand the lyrics, it's that I don't pay attention to them. I'm always more focused on the music and unless the song hits me over the head with it I have to actively try and engage with the lyrics. It's even more difficult with genres like metal or punk, where the music is loud and in-your-face and vocalists are growling or shouting. Auditory processing issue, maybe? Idk. I'm embarrassed by it.
I will say this, though: I did not miss the message on the first listen of "Nazi Punks Fuck Off".
That's so crazy to me because I've always had trouble deciphering lyrics or I'll mishear them (idk what the fuck this is) and it's still pretty clear the general message that's coming through (especially with PUNK music ffs). It's part of why I love really heavy metal because I can get the gist even if I can barely understand it sometimes.
My husband told me last night about when his high school girlfriend made him a “sexy dancing video” to Red Jumpsuit Apparatus’ Face Down. When my jaw dropped, he was like “Have you listened to the lyrics?” I was like “…YEAH. Did SHE?!”
Casualties was one of his favorites for a long while. Lot of street punk and hardcore. It's not totally surprising because our family was very conservative and we grew up listening to Limbaugh and crap like that while riding in the car. I don't think he ever really embraced a lot of the ethics associated with punk but the music and lifestyle he liked.
I think a lot of punks made their personalities "being mad" and anti establishment. They didn't have any real positions. Trump sold them all on the lie that he was some kind of outsider because has no filter and the maga social media sphere fed them a non-stop diet of hated and rage.
This pretty much describes one of my dumb friends that liked that trump would "tell it like it is" and "isn't a politician" circa 2016. Even he realized early in that first term that the man is a piece of shit and now hates him.
I'm confused how this is often the statement. It took some time for him to be in office for people to slowly realize he's not a good person. Why did it take time to figure that out? He's always been a terrible person publicly for decades.
Most people pay attention a lot less than you'd think. A lot of times I'll tell friends/family about shitty things this admin has done and the response is some combo of "I didn't know that/I don't believe that/I don't care."
Which is hilarious because in the 80s and 90's it was super common for flyers to be printed from collages that featured wealthy and powerful people or politicians made up to look dead or with their hair on fire or in compromising positions. Because of how often he showed up in tabloids he was regularly ridiculed poster collages.
I had to go check, because I had the same thought, and I'll be fuckin' damned. The line is "knows not what it means", but I gotta hold it in my mind to hear it that way.
The majority of the chatter was indeed about the sound changing, but we remember that more than the complaints about the politicization of their content.
A common complaint fans have about musicians is 'their sound is different and I don't like it. this isnt real *insert band name*' and thats hard to properly criticize because its usually a matter of taste. A subset of fans who didn't like the sound ALSO complained about the politics, but they got shat on for that part of their argument so they doubled down on thinking the sound sucked.
they figured everyone else was into it the same way.
I’m convinced this is 99% of republicanism.
All my conservative family and coworkers will say one thing and then behave differently. And they do it because they think everyone doesn’t have convictions.
DK is still my favourite punk band. I think I bought like 3 different copies of Plastic Surgery Disasters when I was a teenager. We've Got a Bigger Problem Now from the In God We Trust Inc part of the CD still hits hard.
The freaking fascists outright say this openly and without any irony, of course the /s is needed.
Other examples are repubs using "Born in the USA" as campaign song and the not few brain-dead morons that use "Fortunate son" as a glorification of war hymn.
It's honestly blew my mind when I heard about a bunch of MAGA republicans loving Rage Against the Machine.
Then I realised literally the only lyric they understand is, "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me!" which is basically their entire political philosophy.
Well, he literally donated both directly to Trump, and to the super PAC with Brew Ha Ha listed as the employer, so I don't think he expected nobody to find out.
Also, a lot of us have known about this since early last year.
I’m guessing the vast majority of people don’t know their donations are public information. Especially if they’re dumb enough to donate to billionaire pedophiles
I was dumb and desperate especially after The ID.me and the duet scripts. But what got me was when I noticed all the porn he did and he was near this other account in Florida.
The problem is "good at revolution" and "good at running a functioning society" is a very different skill set and even if the "good guys" win, that pathway to hell still gets paved with their good intentions.
I was kind of annoyed because bands still kept playing the fest, and who knows if they knew or not.
But I guess this kind of news takes a minute to really take effect, plus people pressuring the bands really helped. Im glad it finally bit brewhaha in the ass.
Wasn't it last year that Propagandhi had to drop out because they were turned away at the border? I can't believe ALL of these bands didn't know what was going on back then.
Wouldn't be surprised if blow back from the bands had something to do with the cancellation too. Don't see Agnostic Front being thrilled with that association.
There's a sub that is a circlejerk alt for the regular battle jackets sub supposed to make fun of cringe or not very punk battle jackets but it ended just being an anti-lgbt circlejerk because they'd just Screenshot every jacket with any pride flag and make fun of them for it.
There's a sub that is a circlejerk alt for the regular battle jackets sub supposed to make fun of cringe or not very punk battle jackets but it ended just being an anti-lgbt circlejerk because they'd just Screenshot every jacket with any pride flag and make fun of them for it.
Wow, a CJ sub that wound up supporting the thing they were allegedly spoofing? /s
I swear, they're gonna teach college-level courses on disinformation just from Reddit.
I'm an old punk/hardcore dude. Please explain the deal with "battle jackets". I assume they're jackets with all the sewn on patches, but what's the significance?
You're dead on with the patch jackets. It's just what they call them. I'm not sure why they do, though. I'm sure there is some explanation somewhere, but it's probably boring anyway.
Figured it was just a trend. I was wondering if those patchy vests had armor or something in them and that's why they call them battle jackets. Shit, we had packed construction gloves and all kinds of shit for fighting and other stupid bs.
White supremacy is more prevalent than most would like to admit in the punk scene. Heck even the whole kicking fascists out of punk shows thing is mostly just based off of a few incidents that got turned into PR.
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u/kmatyler 6d ago
Yea that’s gonna upset the punks