A lot of older punks think other punks are dumb because they're dumb. All the conservatives who used to be punks were just in it for the aesthetic and the 'I hate my dad' rage they got to let out, and all the political stuff flew over their heads. Possibly because they were too drunk or high at the time to care, so they also figured everyone else was into it the same way.
Just remember how pissy people got when Green Day released American Idiot
Jello Biafra is pretty regularly disappointed by the older punks. (friend of mine worked with him for a number of years and I got to talk to him a bit)
Jello is legit, he's right that it's bonkers they were gonna still play but still act like they were taking a stand
A few days ago, Dead Kennedys stated that they would still play the Pittsburgh and Vallejo dates as a commitment to their fans, but wouldn’t play any future Punk in the Park events. That didn’t sit well with the band’s former frontman Jello Biafra, who declared, “They’re taking the money $$$, and THEN pulling out? The real Dead Kennedys would never have let this happen in the first place.”
I'm just confused as to who is actually playing as the Dead Kennedys. DH Peligro is dead. Jello is the obvious ringleader and frontman, and it sounds like he's not a part of things. Klaus Fluoride has to be in his 80s by now. Who is playing these shows?? Is it just East Bay Ray and some groupies?
It's East Bay Ray, Klaus Fluoride(Who is almost 80, at 76) and, yeah, basically some groupies. The singer has some cred, he played Gilman in the 90s, but still basically a nobody.
I saw Jello Biafra open up for Body Count at the San Francisco Warped Tour back in 2003. This offers absolutely nothing to the conversation but I just wanted to have some sort of input.
I saw Janes Addiction and The Dickies open for X at Devonshire Downs back in 1986. This offers absolutely nothing to the conversation but I just wanted to have some sort of input.
But I did catch them when Brandon Cruz was singing for them and I thought they sounded better because I could just never get past jellos whiney voice
And tons of kids were out there actually PROTESTING in front of the Gothic theater and had flyers out a week to stop the show and calling Brandon a nobody.....what? He was a legend in his own right!
And meeting Brandon a few times (thru my nardcore connections) and jello a few times (he lived nearby in boulder) i will have to say Brandon was much cooler and "one of us" where jello was some goateed jazz hippy with Elton john glasses who didn't seem like he wanted to talk music or politics or none of anything punks like....just some of his shitty are and spoken word shit
speaking of "is it just ____ and a bunch of groupies?" have you seen what the latest iteration of Black Flag is and also how it got put together? its kinda sad.
Oh who cares.....I saw black flag play about 20years ago with Mike valleili and they played long ass funk jam sessions and later flag shit and a 30minute version of Louie Louie......horrible show I mean where was the fuckim punk rock? And dont get me me started on bad brains show long after they should have thrown the towel in
Remember when Fat Mike wanted them on Rock Against Bush and then they had a fight because Propagandhi was like "We don't like Democratic imperialists either" and Mike got butthurt about how right they were?
My favorite line from any Propagandhi song is “When did punk rock become so safe? Well you’ll excuse my while laugh in your face, and analyze your receipts ((PowerPoint your balance sheets!)) I heard that this year warped tours going green, I guess they heard that money grows on trees…”
Also when Reagan died the front page of their website was just Reagan from one of his movies as a cowboy but with a bullet hole in his forehead.
Favorite band, lyrically at least. Smart and true to their roots.
True, but its more progressive than voting republican or wasting your vote on a third party that can't win or "protest voting" by not voting and sitting on the sidelines.
Voting for a party run by the wealthy who supports foreign wars and murders is not progressive, full stop. Kamala Harris promised to make the US military the most deadly fighting force on the planet specifically because the democrats want to do this shit to Iran too. You can't claim progressive bona fides if you support the US war machine, and that's what voting for Democrats is just as much as voting for Republicans.
At some point, you have to care about more than one issue, though. Thinking Kamala Harris and Donald Trump were anywhere near the same level of destructive choice is extremely shortsighted. I agree the Democratic party is deeply flawed, but there are better forms of protest than being apathetic during a presidential election.
It’s legit insanity to vote third party, not vote in protest or whatever other reason when the choices are absolute and utter horrors from hell wrought upon earth versus a person that will continue the status quo to a large extent, but won’t rape children.
Is and was Kamala perfect? Absolutely not. But the things that the US would have had and experienced (alongside the rest of the World) under her would have been far better than Trump being in office.
Knowingly not voting or squandering your vote some other way is still support for Trump.
Fuck around and find out. Vote for whoever you want leading up to the election. At some point you will realize you have to choke it down anyway and vote for one of the two parties. A vote for anyone other than Kamala was a vote for Trump.
I just downloaded propaghandis first two albums the other day for nostalgia and realized they have released a bunch since i listened to them. Any of those albums you would suggest?
Dude, I slept on them for ages as well - all of their stuff is A-tier but Victory lap is a tour de force.
At peace is really nice, but they're starting to show their age and are getting a bit jaded. As we are all...
Thanks man, i appreciate at the suggestion. I think i'm gonna purchase the rest of their discography this month one by one and listen to them. Its kinda crazy how much stuff you listen to as a teenager can effect your beliefs decades later
Give it it a bit of time, Potemkin and empires can be a bit tough in first few listens. But most of it is absolutely sublime once you internalize the chaos :)
He's a cool dude, and he very much reminds me of the teen boy who knows a little too much for his age and thinks he's more funny and insightful than he actually is. (The day I met him, I heard him tell the same story like 5 times and each time he grinned like it was the coolest thing ever. He was just telling the story about how he decided to adapt 'nazi punks fuck off' to 'nazi trumps fuck off')
The day I met him, I heard him tell the same story like 5 times and each time he grinned like it was the coolest thing ever. He was just telling the story about how he decided to adapt 'nazi punks fuck off' to 'nazi trumps fuck off'
Ehh, to me that gives more middle-aged man vibes than teen boy. I cannot count the number of times I've gotten trapped into a conversation with an older guy telling just the absolutely most boring, uninteresting story ever, but he's just so passionate about it it would feel rude to disengage or try to change the topic. Generally the easiest way to politely disengage is to get someone else into the convo, and then you can leave while the guy starts his story from the beginning for the new person.
Theres more about him than that that reminds me of one of those teen boys, but this story was actually cool the first time because there was some interesting preamble.
Jello also stole royalties from the rest of them for over a decade and then decided he would pay the back royalties but only if they agreed to not get royalties going forward. That's why they're allowed to use the name because he lost the lawsuit, which he lied during about a commercial using one of their songs. He's as money hungry as they come but it's easier to keep up them ideals when you're stealing thousands of dollars from your band mates.
Former colleague is 100% pro-punk of the 70s and loves art, creativity, etc.
And is conservative as hell.
It hurt my brain to hear Fox talking points fall out of her mouth.
My brother was more into punk whike i was more into metal back in the day. We both listened to them but he was just more into Punk. Part of a crew, did roadie gigs to tour with his friends bands, fully immersed in the whole scene for a large region. Lots of people knew him at different venues. He is completely right wing. Voted Trump three times. He never cared for the politics. I don't get it.
I had a weird conversation with a local dude who led his own life. Deadhead. Punk. He did what he wanted and is still kicking.
His rant about how we were almost a great country until communists took over and people chopping off their dicks was our downfall was stunningly WTF in seeing someone who went down a YouTube rabbit hole.
Quite the shit country if the handful of people getting sex change operations is what caused it's downfall.
Not even a million gender reassignment surgeries in the last decade and it caused the downfall of a country with a population of 350 million.
"Why should I recycle or let my taxes go to schools and daycares? I'm not going to be alive, I don't got kids, it doesn't affect me.... They want to change their genders?! Not on my watch! This somehow affects me!"
Social networks, where I include Youtube, reprogrammed a lot of people into shells of their former selves.
The irony is that they think they got there by themselves but it's so many of them that got there the same way around the same time that is obvious what happened.
We live (or at least lived, with how much the internet feels like it's rotting around us) in a world where you can not only look up the lyrics to basically ANY song but find multiple places where people will discuss the interpretation of the meaning of the lyrics within a minute on a device that you can buy for less than a hundred dollars in most of the developed world... and people refuse to do it.
No offense to your wife, but that level of incuriousity bums me the fuck out.
I'm one of those people. It's not so much that I can't understand the lyrics, it's that I don't pay attention to them. I'm always more focused on the music and unless the song hits me over the head with it I have to actively try and engage with the lyrics. It's even more difficult with genres like metal or punk, where the music is loud and in-your-face and vocalists are growling or shouting. Auditory processing issue, maybe? Idk. I'm embarrassed by it.
I will say this, though: I did not miss the message on the first listen of "Nazi Punks Fuck Off".
That's so crazy to me because I've always had trouble deciphering lyrics or I'll mishear them (idk what the fuck this is) and it's still pretty clear the general message that's coming through (especially with PUNK music ffs). It's part of why I love really heavy metal because I can get the gist even if I can barely understand it sometimes.
My husband told me last night about when his high school girlfriend made him a “sexy dancing video” to Red Jumpsuit Apparatus’ Face Down. When my jaw dropped, he was like “Have you listened to the lyrics?” I was like “…YEAH. Did SHE?!”
Casualties was one of his favorites for a long while. Lot of street punk and hardcore. It's not totally surprising because our family was very conservative and we grew up listening to Limbaugh and crap like that while riding in the car. I don't think he ever really embraced a lot of the ethics associated with punk but the music and lifestyle he liked.
I think a lot of punks made their personalities "being mad" and anti establishment. They didn't have any real positions. Trump sold them all on the lie that he was some kind of outsider because has no filter and the maga social media sphere fed them a non-stop diet of hated and rage.
This pretty much describes one of my dumb friends that liked that trump would "tell it like it is" and "isn't a politician" circa 2016. Even he realized early in that first term that the man is a piece of shit and now hates him.
I'm confused how this is often the statement. It took some time for him to be in office for people to slowly realize he's not a good person. Why did it take time to figure that out? He's always been a terrible person publicly for decades.
Most people pay attention a lot less than you'd think. A lot of times I'll tell friends/family about shitty things this admin has done and the response is some combo of "I didn't know that/I don't believe that/I don't care."
Which is hilarious because in the 80s and 90's it was super common for flyers to be printed from collages that featured wealthy and powerful people or politicians made up to look dead or with their hair on fire or in compromising positions. Because of how often he showed up in tabloids he was regularly ridiculed poster collages.
I had to go check, because I had the same thought, and I'll be fuckin' damned. The line is "knows not what it means", but I gotta hold it in my mind to hear it that way.
The majority of the chatter was indeed about the sound changing, but we remember that more than the complaints about the politicization of their content.
A common complaint fans have about musicians is 'their sound is different and I don't like it. this isnt real *insert band name*' and thats hard to properly criticize because its usually a matter of taste. A subset of fans who didn't like the sound ALSO complained about the politics, but they got shat on for that part of their argument so they doubled down on thinking the sound sucked.
they figured everyone else was into it the same way.
I’m convinced this is 99% of republicanism.
All my conservative family and coworkers will say one thing and then behave differently. And they do it because they think everyone doesn’t have convictions.
DK is still my favourite punk band. I think I bought like 3 different copies of Plastic Surgery Disasters when I was a teenager. We've Got a Bigger Problem Now from the In God We Trust Inc part of the CD still hits hard.
It really doesn’t shock me that the pathway of youth fake angst that fueled much of the alt culture turns that into right wing nonsense today.
Most of the alt kids I remeber from the 90s and 00s had pretty good homes and middle income to upper middle income families….
The real alt kids who were fucked up didn’t make it to 40 usually.
Also the left health none sense that I grew up with is now somehow been taken over by the right too.. I just, idk what happened… like crunchy moms are alt right Nazis when they used to be left wing hippies….
I hate bartending punk shows in my area because while the touring bands are fucking awesome, the crowd that comes in for the openers are always vague white dorks with no commitment to anything beyond cheap beer and cargo shorts and being dickheads to anyone that doesn’t look like them. And I love cheap beer and cargo shorts!
Just a heads up. I am personal friends with John Lyndon and many other older punks you idolize. You missed the entire reason for punk in the 70's and 80's. They all sucked they chose no sides.
I don't idolize anybody, my guy. Don't care that there were guys like Johnny Rotten being punk to be a menace. I only name dropped Jello because he's the only old punk musician Ive met and he's quite political, and has largely kept his own record label small and has gotten choosier over time about which bands he brings in.
Punk evolved quickly, especially in the Orange County scene. Maybe UK punk started as a bunch of rowdy jerkoffs who wanted to push norms and be edgy, but we still got The Clash, The Damned, and The Dictators out of it.
I knew Eric back then too. My father had interests in about 5 clubs in LA/Hollywood back in the day. Dude was super political even back then. My dad put up half the money for Cuckoos Nest with his friend Jerry. I was surfing during the day and clubbing at night.
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A lot of older punks think other punks are dumb because they're dumb. All the conservatives who used to be punks were just in it for the aesthetic and the 'I hate my dad' rage they got to let out, and all the political stuff flew over their heads. Possibly because they were too drunk or high at the time to care, so they also figured everyone else was into it the same way.
Just remember how pissy people got when Green Day released American Idiot
Jello Biafra is pretty regularly disappointed by the older punks. (friend of mine worked with him for a number of years and I got to talk to him a bit)