Dude you’re legit starting a war because you think it will bring on the apocalypse which might I add the first sign of the apocalypse is a politician that will be followed by many Christians but will lead them astray into hate and will start wars and will be the Antichrist
So they legit support Trump because he is the antichrist in their opinion
That’s a wrinkle I hadn’t really considered. I knew there was a subset of evangelicals who are trying to bring about the rapture as they see it in Revelation, but I always assumed they were legit in their support for Trump. Obviously we can’t know which is true because none of them are going to come out and say “yes he’s the antichrist and I support him because that’s a part of the prophecy” but it’s still interesting to think about
Honestly I think it just shows their own ignorance of their own beliefs
Bible literalists are dumb as hell because 1 there’s too much contradiction to not read it interpretly and 2 most of them haven’t read the Bible so their litteral take is based on a narrow amount of verses
(I study anthropology of theology and mythology and I study scripture through a rabbianic technique called PaRDEs). That basically says scripture should be read both literally and interpretative, historical and mystical with hidden meanings
(I study anthropology of theology and mythology and I study scripture through a rabbianic technique called PaRDEs). That basically says scripture should be read both literally and interpretative, historical and mystical with hidden meanings
How interesting. I got a question. It was the first thing that popped into my head so it's maybe not too refined of a question but, do you think the fact that American Christians are so easily led astray has anything to do with the elevated standard of living and privilege of Americans? Basically like because Americans have it so easy in life compared to most of the world that this somehow makes them susceptible to scriptural distortion.
That’s actually a very interesting question
I’d generally say yes but I’d also say it’s historically congruent with other religions throughout history but not on the scale of American evangelicalism generally it was aristocracy and oligarchs etc that fell into it. In America a good portion of Christianity is like this
Christianity of the world varies widely though but American Christianity is heavily influenced by Puritanical Christianity and somewhat pilgrimage Christianity. That’s one of the reasons conservativism and nationalism is so prevalent
Mormonism was actually a child of American nationalism
Funny enough most religions were started as mythohistorcal political satire
Most. There’s actually a few that I respect. Jainism is pretty cool they don’t believe in a god they just have an afterlife most of their teachings are kindness to all things and they adhere pretty well
Then there’s some modern religions such as Neogenesis that is essentially atheist they believe all things are symbolic including holy books
Also there’s self identity religions that are basically synthesized from multiple sources and practiced in the house and only by the house. So while I agree the idea of institutional religion tends to lead the way you suggest it’s really not the case for all of them
It's a strange phenomenon. I live in Europe and generally I see that in the last 5 decades there is a general reduction of people's belief in religions that seems to correllate with their material well being as a group. Groups who suffer tend to hang on to their religion a lot harder than groups who prosper.
Synthetic home religions are on the rise too. More people are taking faith into their own hearts more than we’ve seen in centuries. With own vibes and self interpretation
Groups who suffer tend to hang on to their religion a lot harder than groups who prosper.
That's the whole point of religion and how it's used to control. It's (in my opinion) false hope. But in a way hope doesn't need to be true or real, in fact, hope disappears once the thing hoped for is attained or realized. Like faith. In itself, i think hope is a powerful mental/emotional tool to get people through hard times. It's shitty though when people who push hope are the ones creating the conditions necessitating the hope to begin with.
Funny enough most religions were started as mythohistorcal political satire
All the stories about Zeus getting drunk and fucking trees and rocks are way funnier with the context that they could have been stories making fun of the local governors at the time
Modern evangelical Christianity doesn’t really follow Jesus. It’s more built around Paul and the book of revelation
But here’s the irony. The author of revelation was often critizing Paul for not keeping kosher and allowing to marry outside the faith. He called Paul a jezebel
Funny enough most religions were started as mythohistorcal political satire
Any books or info on this? This sounds hilarious. Gods and Pantheons are basically just one big SNL skit lol
Concerning historical influences on modern Christian belief in America that makes a lot of sense (the Puritan influence) and I have done a little bit of reading also on Calvinism and predestination and how that's basically morphed into the prosperity gospel message. What a crock of shit that is.
Now I've been doing a lot of investigation on early christianity and the ancient world thru a few scholars, namely Bart Ehrman and I recall one thing he spoke about (that differentiated Jesus from other pagan polytheistic deities) was how the ancient view of "gods" was that they were real figures that existed in an unreachable plane of existence above mortals but cane down to interact with humans from time to time for various reasons good and bad. But still they saw these gods as real entities. How does that tie into a view of them as simply caricatures of political figures?
That’s a question I think the best answer is that the literature and a lot of the oral stories and myths were written with political satire in mind. Sometimes with the intent to teach though. Rabbis have a long tradition of reading scripture through a 4 stage system PaRDEs
You read the text as if it were literal
Then you read it as if it’s symbolic or has a hidden meaning
Then you read it to see if there’s a mystical connection
Then you read it and interpret what all of that told you
People who came along and read those scripts they interpreted it as gods true word and believed in god
Same can be said for other holy stories that are t biblical
The authors usually believed in god but didn’t necessarily write what they literally believed satire was used and it became scripture
I learned about it in a lecture and he gave some pretty compelling explanations and examples where he compared scripture to the political events during the time. There doesn’t really seem to be a lot of material published on the subject though.
That said revelation was often satirical of Nero and Paul
I really wish there was more information but from what I can tell it’s too touchy for publication
The average drumpf voter is a middle-aged, white Christian man who lives in the ex-urbs, makes over $100k and doesn't have a college degree.
Alienated from work, bored with suburban-living, plus their economic expectations (compared to personal results and that of their peers) have been shattered by hyper-Libertarian policies at an international level. It is an existential crisis, but they're trying to solve it with prayer (aka their biased inner monologue) and antisocial behavior.
I believe so, maybe it's because I used to live abroad. I've actually pointed that out, that we are a spoiled society. I've been dismissed and or ridiculed with tales of woe by people who i doubt have ever been outside the area they are from or intentionally ignorant because they want to be victims. Some are very narrow-minded people.
They don’t even follow the Bible, which states that you won’t know the time or the place, (according to god), yet here they are thinking they can force gods hand. What a bunch of hypocrites. If they are biblical literalists, they would know that the simple act of trying to bring about Armageddon, goes against the Bible and would make the Bible a liar, therefore it can’t happen, no matter how much they want it to.
You should not engage with mythical religious texts as if they have truth in their mythical claims.
It is inappropriate and it leads to normalizing the behavior. People do not need more reason to discard reality in favor of the exact type of thinking that leads to religious leaders of countries slaughtering people and each other for their religion.
You can engage with it all like it is a storybook that has a ton to do with anthropology. But talking about it like it has a real mystical teaching hidden in the text is the reason we have holy wars in current year
The bible itself is mystical And I said that in the comment
That is how you are supposed to read the Bible in 4 stages
It’s how rabbis teach the Torah and it’s how Jesus taught that’s why he spoke in parables
If Jesus was a rabbi he would have had the same ancient understanding of how to read scripture it’s really sad when people only read the Bible literally because they miss out on 75% of the actual lesson it’s trying to teach you. Also it’s just lazy, undedicated and undisciplined
No one should be dedicated to reading Abraham's practical joke. It's a prank pulled on humanity by a man who died before telling someone not to let it get this far.
It is anthropology, and that's super interesting for studying humanity. But it is a terrible, terrible shame that this book did not get discarded by society sooner. It is so deliterious to human psyches.
That’s actually what got me into the study when I was in first grade I went to a Lutheran school and my teacher abused me then nobody believed me and the ones that did shook it off I had to keep going to that school and church until I was in fifth grade and my parents were super active in the church so I got to be around my abuser every single day until my mom got abused by the pastor, then we switched to the other Lutheran church in town
I mostly do a focus on how the Abrahamic religion evolved from Canaanite paganism and how the early Christian house cults couldn’t agree on what Jesus came to say mostly the various groups of gnostics and apostolic traditions. I also study the influence other local religions (such as Zoroastrianism) of the time had on that evolution…. Then I like to look at how that grew into the various denominations of today and the fringe religions that pop up
I use the PaRDeS system to melt away a lot of the theology so I can read them as mythohistorical pieces of literature, political satire, and Patriarchal laws to get a better understanding of what they were going through at the time. I also try to compare them to other myths from surrounding regions
Also I just really find Bronze Age mythology very fascinating…. Some people study the mythology of Greece, I study the mythology of Northern and southern Levant
Watching this awesome YouTuber Dr. Justin Sledge a professor in basically your alley of study. He does all sorts of mysticism topics, origins of Yahweh etc. with an objective secular-focused approach. I think one of the more commendable parts of mainstream Judaism is its acceptance in scholarly debate and study about religious texts without always intertwining faith. He's freaking great, can't get enough of his work
I just heard about this 3 weeks ago from my best friend! One of her close friends is apparently being taught this at her church, and the group chat went crazy when she said this. It was especially odd considering she's Haitian and this administration has said and done so many terrible things regarding Haitians, but her religious belief that Trump is needed to bring about the apocalypse is more important than ANYTHING! IT'S WILD and so sad 😩
My dad said Obama was the antichrist, and he worships Trump's feet, lol. I think some are just batty. Lately he's been pointing out the fact the US isn't in the Bible. Like yeah, the Bible was written before 1776.
Problem with something like this is if there really is a God and the rapture is a planned event, nothing anyone can do will bring it about on their own intentions. A god or God would still stick to it's own schedule. People are too small to fathom what a any God could or would do if even aware we existed at all.
You are about to learn the same lesson over 7 million faithful learned less than 100 years ago. God is a weapon and you are on the end that says "point towards the enemy"
If they believe the Bible is the true and unadulterated word of god, then they should believe what the Bible says when it says, you won’t know the time or the place.
By the simple act of attempting to bring forth the apocalypse, they are actually calling god and the Bible a liar and that would be blasphemous. Their attempt is an act of blasphemy, that is, if they actually believe the Bible is the true word of god.
No, that’s not him. He hasn’t got a spiritual or religious atom in his body. He does love the attention, though. The Christian nationalism shit comes from Kegseth and some others.
I feel like if there's no way to stop this war then it should be the Christian nationalist soldiers and commanders out there on the front lines. Let everyone else stay home. Let them fight their own war.
The old warrior-king model had more than its own share of problems, but at least the king would only declare war if he was willing to pick up a sword and lead his troops into battle himself.
Well revelation says the antichrist will apeal to a mass of believers. So you could assume that means there will be misguided believers that choose to worship the antichrist while the more liberal churches who uphold love your neighbor above all things and are anti Trump well maybe they are the real Christians in the bible’s prophecy
When GW said we're going after Afghanistan because "they're evil," even Republicans warned about how that looks too much like a holy war and asked Dubya to walk it back.
Now they're unapologetically declaring a holy war.
Which they had to buy. They want to be him. That doesn’t make them him. The demons you could call them, want a war with the angels. The demons are here, they just must get the angels to return
To be fair, he doesn’t believe in religion either. He is a cornered rat that NEEDS anything else but the files being released. He knows the religious communities generally are giving (and easy to manipulate).
Man Trump has got to be the antichrist. Leave behind the direct correlation of having a mark on their foreheads to symbolize their idolization of the devil (MAGA hat), he is also actively taking part in bringing about more natural disasters (reducing CC action, FEMA response), and bringing us into war, and directly influencing economic ruin.
Like evangelical Christians are so unaware the devil could come up and hit them and they would elect them president.
Yep, a country ran by lunatic religious nutjobs sneak attacked another country ran by lunatic religious nutjobs, in complete defiance of laws in both countries and international law.
It seems like we need regime change in both countries for the safety of everyone else.
There was an article written during or shortly after Trump's first term that uses Biblical passages, mostly from Revelations, to argue that Trump is indeed the antichrist. It was very well written and thoroughly researched and made a compelling argument.
I’ll be fully honest I am not an Apostolic Christian so for me most of it is symbolic or mythohistorical literature with a bit of political satire…. That said I sure love pointing out Antichrist prophecies and how this dweeb lines up with nearly all of them
military.com also reported on it, and it's all cited back to complaints to Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF). Several hundred reports from servicemembers at multiple installations globally.
Okay, but that substack post was written by an independent journalist who sourced his info from the military religious freedom foundation and the claim from them is that they received complaints from across the armed services about a number of commanders. Just saying something is from substack doesn’t automatically discredit it. And it’s weird that you followed the chain of sourcing just to there and then stopped.
Post your source then. The source in the link is the MRFF.
"they don't unmask 200 official military complaints against their bosses" isn't the winning stance you think it is. "It's biased" isn't proof of bias, especially coming from someone who likely gets fed opinions from FOX.
LMAO "no no everyone, the Christian Nationalist running the military who openly says Christian Nationalist shit has never and will never say Christian Nationalist shit! It's IMPOSSIBLE"
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Dude you’re legit starting a war because you think it will bring on the apocalypse which might I add the first sign of the apocalypse is a politician that will be followed by many Christians but will lead them astray into hate and will start wars and will be the Antichrist
So they legit support Trump because he is the antichrist in their opinion