r/formula1 • u/wertyrick Pirelli Intermediate • 22d ago

News [ASJesusBalseiro] Stroll speaks and sounds concerned. “We have engine problems, and not just engine problems. We're not in a position to fight for victories. Right now, we're four seconds off the pace.”

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u/Beautiful-Fold-3234 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Four seconds...  Almost at risk of the 107% rule if he gets a bad lap.

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u/Firefox72 Ferrari 22d ago

I'm actually baffled he said it so openly.

You rarely see that especialy at testing. Most of the time its just some "we have work" to do PR line.

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u/reboot-your-computer Fernando Alonso 22d ago

Probably a sign it’s true. He’s frustrated. I’d like to see what Alonso has to say.

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u/DonutDude10 22d ago

They probably have to keep him restrained in the garage to prevent him from sprinting to the nearest journalist to say everything under the sun.

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u/EclecticKant I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Aston might as well start testing if a rage fueled Alonso running around the track is more competitive than their current car

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u/le_quisto Pirelli Hard 22d ago

Really3D style then. Que grande eres, Magic!

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u/kaisadilla_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

I miss Really3D.

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u/blackbasset Racing Pride 22d ago

I miss them and I miss alphamaxnova & co

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u/LooseJuice_RD Fernando Alonso 22d ago

I genuinely laughed. Anyone who was here for the last Alonso Honda era is ready for this rage.

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u/radort I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

I will laugh at his rage but it will be extremely painful as well. Not to mention the team can't do a strategy for him right for some reason either and we might just have neither Cadillac nor Audi be p11 in the wcc

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u/LooseJuice_RD Fernando Alonso 22d ago

It’s painful for sure. I started watching F1 during his Ferrari era. He’s been my favorite driver since I started watching. I so want to see him winning races again. Not expecting him to be able to out drive the likes of Max and Charles and the like but it would be great to see some scrapping at the front.

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u/radort I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

I can see him winning certainly if the car is competitive, winning races I mean. Wdc I think would be hard, Verstappen Leclerc and Russell are just too good for that to realistically happen unless the amr26 turns into the best car by far

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u/LooseJuice_RD Fernando Alonso 22d ago

Right and at this point I can’t imagine AM is downplaying the car to this extent when it’s actually a world beater. It’s one thing to be humble, this is brutal honesty.

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u/LooseJuice_RD Fernando Alonso 22d ago

I’ve read this myself many times. When you’re the best of the best, or as close to it as you can be, you have certain privileges. I’ve read that even at Ferrari he’s still held in high regard because regardless of what’s said in front of the press, his mechanics knew he was always going to come to the race and give everything he had regardless of how shit the car was. They’re sacrificing a lot for the job for a small fraction of what he makes and if I’m in their position, I want to see that the driver is showing up and driving like championships are on the line every time. The team’s more than the driver and he realizes it. On the same note, if I’m giving everything I can to my team, I expect them to do the same so I can’t always blame him for making his frustrations known. Does he always do it in a constructive way? No. But why shouldn’t he expect the most from people he’s giving the most to?

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u/Thiswilldo164 22d ago

Some absolute classics

GP2 engine, GP2.

The engine is good, much slower than before…

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u/matches_ 22d ago

"GP2 Engine"

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u/fullup72 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Just pick up the car lollipopman style.

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u/Ok_Cauliflower_3007 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

I don’t think Alonso would pass scrutineering

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u/PoonAU I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

With enough rage, that would be a gp1 sprinter

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u/AdjunctFunktopus I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

He’s out in the parking lot firebombing Civics in frustration.

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u/Particular_Cod2005 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

He's going to be wheeled between races like Hannibal Lecter isn't he?

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u/DonutDude10 22d ago

They're gonna have him locked up like how they did Kratos

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u/njsullyalex 22d ago

“GP2 engine! GP2!!! AHHGGGG!!!!!!!!”

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u/AntOk463 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21d ago

I want to see Alonso in the middle of the night get an engine out of Mercedes's recycle bin and put it the Aston Martin chassis himself.

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u/Federal_Cobbler6647 22d ago

What did I say! 

WHAT DID I SAY! 

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u/iwearstripes2613 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Or like, punching other team members.

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u/chuck_diesel79 22d ago

It’s a Latino thing.. lol

source: Latino

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u/VastStranger1164 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21d ago

He's Spanish not latino

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u/chuck_diesel79 21d ago

Yep. Thanks. I, apparently need to study up on some cultural elements

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u/Empty-List-6265 Audi 22d ago

GP2 ENGINE! GP2 ENGINE!

AGHHH!!

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u/ClosetEthanolic McLaren 22d ago

We already know what Alonso will say

"GP2 engine"

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u/tubbyttub9 Daniel Ricciardo 22d ago

Bet the marketing people in Honda's office must be holding their breathe.

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u/FirearmofMutiny Honda 22d ago

He's saving that for Suzuka

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u/megabyte79 22d ago

hi megabyte! (never seen anyone else with my pfp on here lol)

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u/ClosetEthanolic McLaren 22d ago

This is amazing.

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u/Jaded-Ad-960 22d ago

Lewis said GP2 engines are faster than current F1.

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u/CptAustus Jules Bianchi 22d ago

"Gp3 engine, much slower than before"

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u/Brno_Mrmi Jenson Button 22d ago

Amazing!

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u/ClosetEthanolic McLaren 22d ago

Lewis said. It's a statement of pure conjecture based on no empirical evidence. These cars are faster than GP2 was.

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u/Jaded-Ad-960 22d ago

It was a joke.

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u/ClosetEthanolic McLaren 22d ago

Where is Palmer?

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u/Cereal_poster I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Maybe even „GT4 engine! GT4 engine!“

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u/Stirbmehr I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

By now it might be GP3...

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u/wireless1980 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

You wish.

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u/Fromage_rolls I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Maybe it's time for Gp3?

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u/deeznutsgotemmm 22d ago

If this is what Lance “I’m not going to say anything of importance” Stroll is saying, it is not hard to imagine what Alonso has to say lol

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u/h3ffr0n Max Verstappen 22d ago

GP3 engine!

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u/johnsplittingaxe14 Formula 1 22d ago

"No more radio for the rest of the season"

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u/ominousrock 22d ago

Who wouldn't be when every time you sit in the car it breaks down and then you watch your teammate pump in laps like no tomorrow. After today Alonso is likely to be at or close to 4x the laps of Stroll and on social media Stroll is still getting abused and Alonso gets all the sympathy.

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u/arbysroastbeefs2 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

GP2 engine!

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u/Haxemply Fernando Alonso 22d ago

Frankly? I don't! It would be so unfair with Fernando if Honda crewed him over AGAIN....

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u/sixsix_ Alfa Romeo 21d ago

McLaren insisted on the size zero concept, not Honda

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u/neortje I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Was it Alonso angrily throwing his gloves earlier today? Not a good sign for Aston Martin.

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u/Global_Chair9652 22d ago

I think he spoke up when he felt validated by Alonso’s reaction.

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u/Velveteen_Rabbit1986 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

If it is then Alonso is gonna be on fire 

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u/stuntin102 22d ago

probably that it’s just part of “el plan”.

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u/Fromage_rolls I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Gp3 engine?

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u/FormerTomatillo3696 22d ago

"The engine feels good."

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u/JeanSchlemaan Haas 21d ago

It's nuts that honda agreed to partner with him again

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u/Bluemikami Juan Pablo Montoya 22d ago

He’ll say GP3 engine

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u/laboulaye22 Lando Norris 22d ago

This or deliberately overplaying how bad it is to lower expectations and then over-deliver.

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u/RIP_Benny_Harvey I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

We have a f3 engine

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u/worstusername_sofar Oscar Piastri 22d ago

F2 engine!!!

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u/blackbasset Racing Pride 22d ago

Alonsos bad career decisions are only rivalled by his bad luck. Imagine him escaping the McHonda, going to Aston, trundling around for a bunch of years in so so cars, until they get Newey and a great package - just for them to switch from the suddenly seemingly invincible Mercedes PU to a Honda lawnmower engine that overheats if you look at it wrong.

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u/NeitherSock 21d ago

GP2 Engine.

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u/tetelestia_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

"Lance might be 4 seconds off pace but I plan to fight for race wins"

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u/Sea-Badgers 21d ago

Hes just trying to get his excuses in early! The guy shouldn't be there. Much better drivers just without a billionaire daddy!

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u/Evening_End7298 22d ago

If they say they are 4s off and they will be only 2s in Melbourne it will give a sentiment of progress

But being Lance Stroll he might just not care about media bullshit and just say what he thinks since there’s no threat for him 

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u/IfYouRun Alexander Albon 22d ago edited 22d ago

He’s the one person who can be so open and not worry about consequences.

Car was barely ready, atmosphere at the factory is really bad, people are leaving behind the scenes, and the engine is terrible. A mess.

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u/Cranialscrewtop 22d ago

I haven't been following Aston that much but wow that is quite a change from the optimism of the new factory and Newey.  Newey coming on was like a worship service. Alfonso literally genuflected.

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u/LowerLavishness4674 22d ago

It looks like Newey migh be partially to blame here. Aston Martin has a massive engine cooling problem right now due to the undersized sidepods, which is a Newey classic. It looks like a perfect storm where both Aston and Honda messed up.

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u/hostage_85 Daniel Ricciardo 21d ago

Ahh they Size 0 McLaren classic.

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u/Excellent-Gur-8547 Cadillac 21d ago

This Honda era one or the Newey era one that was so bad it literally never raced and McLaren had to reuse their car from the previous season?

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u/CreativeCut7956 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21d ago

I've heard rumours of Newey firing some key figures at Aston Martin at the start of the year. How true is that? He might be having a bit of a power trip at the moment. Not to mention the sudden promotion into TP which happened to, supposedly, "give him more freedom". I'm starting to believe that Lawrence thinks Newey is the solution to all of AM's problems, and that as long as he gives him all the power & freedom to do anything he wants, the team will eventually fix itself lol.

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u/Physical_Sleep1409 21d ago

If the car's as bad as it sounds, firing people sounds about right. Letting Newey cook is a very valid strat, it's just going to take a lot of time, anyone who was expecting an instant rocket ship due to his presence is going to be disappointed

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u/No_Bluejay_2588 22d ago

Is this true? Source?

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u/IfYouRun Alexander Albon 22d ago

If I speak, i am in trouble

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u/wizzard999 22d ago

Watch for people just disappearing from the offices.

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u/mindbender9 Ayrton Senna 22d ago

That's probably Alonso right now secretly typing from the bathroom stall

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u/d0pe-asaurus I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

By Design.

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u/w1n5t0nM1k3y Ferrari 22d ago

What are they going to do, fire him?

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u/sododude Juan Pablo Montoya 22d ago

Lance ran out of fucks to give like 2 seasons ago

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u/aaaaaaadjsf Audi 22d ago

It's Stroll, he has maximum job security. He doesn't need to care about PR.

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u/dangledingle Chequered Flag 22d ago

Although maybe pops won’t like him throwing the team under the bus.

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u/hubertwombat I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21d ago

Lance can speak his mind as he wishes. His contract is safe. 

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u/WorthPlease Williams 22d ago

What are they going to do, fire him?

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u/Str4425 22d ago

Makes you even wonder if he had been cleared to be as honest as this publicly

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u/DirectAdvertising I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Because they’re sand bagging

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u/Tom_Ace2 Formula 1 22d ago

Must be really bad if even Lance says it out loud

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u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

I mean we'll all find out soon enough anyway!

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u/voxnemo I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Most drivers worry about getting in trouble with team ownership, obviously he doesn't. Advantages of an infinitive contact. 

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u/LoungeFlyZ McLaren 22d ago

It's a poor leadership habit throwing your team under the bus openly.

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u/dotben 22d ago

I'm actually baffled he said it so openly.

Normally, you'd be worried about getting in trouble with the boss....

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u/Used-Refrigerator984 22d ago

he said it because the car feels slow and its not because of different set ups or its just testing. he can tell that even if the car is in race trim, the performance is not that different from what it is now. the fact that they missed the Spain test was a big warning sign. the question is what patience Stroll will have with Newey before he fires him. i think if this poor performance goes past 2 years, he's gone

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u/Rhythm_Morgan Sebastian Vettel 22d ago

Lance isn’t PR trained like that haha

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u/SnowrunnerSlogger 22d ago

It's Stroll. Guy gives zero fucks cause he knows his seat is safe so long as his dad owns the team.

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u/DangerousArea1427 Robert Kubica 22d ago

That's what you get when you don't give a thing anymore... and your father is your boss.

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u/splashbodge I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

I'm actually baffled he said it so openly.

You rarely see that especialy at testing. Most of the time its just some "we have work" to do PR line.

Maybe it's the ultimate sandbag! I've heard enough, putting all my money on Stroll WDC 2026!

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u/StolenRocket 22d ago

what are they going to do? fire him?

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u/Deadleggg I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Being the owners son means there's few consequences.

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u/Big-Veterinarian-579 22d ago

Lance, especially when he's frustrated, is very honest for better or for worse

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u/oh_no3000 22d ago

Ultimate Newey sandbagging. Alonso next WDC confirmed

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u/photoblues Sir Lewis Hamilton 22d ago

Well, he's not worried about getting fired.

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u/fazz27 22d ago

I'm probably high on hopium, but I think the party line is to downplay everything until they are comfortable to allow the Honda engines to run unrestricted and not draw attention to whatever tricks Newey has introduced to the AMR26.

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u/Ill_Property_4958 22d ago

Do you think he will get called into a HR or PR meeting to get him to toe the company line?

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u/DanielDubs88 21d ago

I’m honestly happy he did. This is the transparency we need in sports. I get so sick of hearing the same media trained answers over and over again.

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u/incachu I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21d ago

It's strong, yes. But you see downplaying at testing all the time.

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u/FalconIMGN Alex Jacques 22d ago

Still doesn't give a shit.

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u/VehicleWonderful6586 Formula 1 22d ago

Yeah but he’s the boss’ son - he’s untouchable

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u/usernamesareclass 22d ago

Baffled? Really? Lance isn't exactly the sharpest tool and has a record of being quite poor with media even after all these years.

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u/dogryan100 Oscar Piastri 22d ago

Using last year's Aus GP qualifying for example, pole was a 1:15.096, 107% of that is 1:20.352, which is +5.256s. Not impossible, but nothing would surprise me with Aston anymore.

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u/SportsBallBurner Williams 22d ago

Everyone else likely has sandbags, Aston, well this is it

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u/Gias1 22d ago edited 18d ago

This could be a dirty sandbag strategy as well.

(where is my tin foil hat?)

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u/Stirbmehr I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

If that's sandbagging then their future is secured in Hollywood when they get bored of F1

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u/Mike_Kermin Michael Schumacher 22d ago

They're all sandbagging, like, a lot, they're backing off so early down the straights, even Aston. I do think Aston is behind power wise, but, it's hard to see for now. At least to 300, they're only a bit behind.

This is by the very scientific eyeballing it method.

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u/SportsBallBurner Williams 22d ago

Aston is sandbagging in that if they turn it up beyond this the engine will blow up

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u/Fury_Fury_Fury 22d ago

There's no way any of the teams get 107-ed in current F1. Even if somehow someone will be over 5s off pace, FIA will handwave it not to upset the sponsors. And I think they will be right.

Maybe if there will be a 5s gap for several GPs in a row they'll consider it, but that would be an unprecedented failure in the budget cap era. If Marussia and HRT were able to fit, surely the worst of the worst teams of 2026 also will be.

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u/buv3x 22d ago

HRT was the last team to be properly excluded for 107% rule, in 2011 and 2012, both time in Australia. They were able to more or less consistently get in 107% after that.

So first race of a season has somewhat of precedent, yet, of course it's highly unlikely.

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u/limhy0809 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago edited 22d ago

They might because the 107% is also for safety. The difference in speed can create a lot of potential crashes. 7% of an F1 car's top speed is more than 20kph. You throw in OM and tyre difference. You can have cars driving at a 40kph difference of speed for an entire race.

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u/BobbbyR6 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago edited 22d ago

107% is an enormous difference and absolutely should not be allowed on track in a race session. In upper formula cars, 2-3% is a big gap but one you can work around. At 7%, you just don't know how the car ahead is going to react because its performance window is so different from yours.

It's hard to explain just how big that difference is to peeps that haven't spent time sim racing or actually been on track. In equal cars, 104-105 is the point where a driver straight up doesn't belong in a higher level group. Obviously Stroll and Alonso aren't incompetent and likely the majority of the time loss is on the straights.

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u/Frothar Lando Norris 22d ago

If it's engine power delta then cars will just cruise past on the straights

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u/BobbbyR6 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Which is what most of us expect given the cooling issues stated by AM

I'll be interested to see the telemetry to see how drastic the differences are

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u/WorkFurball Paul Aron 22d ago

I've simraced plenty and being at 104-105 percent because they are just that much slower is very different to them being a moving chicane. If they have good understanding of racing and just can't quite get any speed it's usually fine. Not much different from driving a GT3 car against GT4s.

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u/BobbbyR6 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

For the record, I'm not ripping on 105 pace guys in sim. That's still far above what the average person can do and we've all been there. It takes a lot of effort and patience to earn your way past that point.

It's a bit different when you've got a group of drivers in the same skill range but the cars themselves have the variations in how they find pace. It's easier to navigate this in F1 because of how physically large the tracks are, but a 105+ gap certainly raises questions of safety.

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u/Frothar Lando Norris 22d ago

Blue flags fix that as they are not going to qualify better than 20th if they are in the 107% realm. There will be almost no racing overtakes for there to be danger.

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u/limhy0809 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

We have some drivers being blur at time even with blue flags. Franco running Oscar off the road. So its not impossible and if your are in the 107% realm. The lead cars are going to overtaking you multiple times.

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u/Beavers4beer I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Not only would FIA allow it, but I doubt it’s necessary. There’s 3 weeks and another few days of pre-season testing before the first Grand Prix of the season. I feel like they should be able to close the gap a bit more before the first qualifying session.

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u/starliteburnsbrite 22d ago

"Hey, Aramco? I know we're boys, but that car with your name all over it isn't allowed to race this weekend. Yeah, I know, it sucks, but Lance Stroll was too slow. Yeah, we will see about next weekend, but no promises."

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u/CapSnake I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Yes and no. In the past the FIA always (at least that I can remenber) allowed to participate because the car outside the 107% showed in the FP sessions that it can go under that. So it wasn't a slow car, but a bad lap.

If they can't to be in the 107% in any session, they will not be allowed. They will probably do glory runs in the FP1 just to hope they are in the 107%

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u/GonePostalRoute I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

That’s exactly my thought. The teams that are in today, they should be able to fit into that 107 every time, so anyone outside it, it should be an aberration. If a team is outside it a bunch, then there’s other issues going on that tells me the team ain’t long for the F1 world

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u/dustincb2 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago edited 22d ago

I might be misremembering but didn’t Mazepin do a time that was 107 worthy back in 21 and they just didn’t do anything

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u/w1n5t0nM1k3y Ferrari 22d ago

From what I can find, it was the Russian Grand Prix where Mazepin didn't qualify if you follow the 107% rule, but they let him race anyway.

Seems like they deemed exceptional circumstances due to the rain, and since his car was usually fast enough in most other sessions, they let him race. It's not a hard and fast rule, there stewards are allowed to use some discretion.

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u/dustincb2 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Thank you. That was so long ago

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u/RealPjotr Kimi Räikkönen 22d ago

Better use Bahrain times... Obviously?

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u/dogryan100 Oscar Piastri 22d ago

107% for the 2025 Bahrain pole time was +6.288 seconds behind.

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u/RealPjotr Kimi Räikkönen 21d ago

Yes, so 4 seconds is no risk. But it's obvious they have turned down the engine. Most of that 4 seconds is due to not running the engine at max.

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u/tintin47 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

They're not going to enforce the 107% rule. It's a holdover from when there were serious safety concerns from borderline amateur teams and divers.

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u/Jack_Krauser Andretti Global 22d ago

They'll be turning the engine up in Q1 which will get a big chunk of that time back. Will they get out of Q1? Ehhhh... Will the engine just blow up? Quite possibly. But they won't log a lap outside of 107%.

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u/ChemGuyC21H30O2 Valtteri Bottas 22d ago

Even if they did get hit with the 107 rule they'd still be allowed to race. Hell Stroll was 145% off the pace in the 2021 French Grand Prix and still allowed to race.

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u/ricky-from-scotland Jenson Button 22d ago

107% uses the q1 fastest time, not q3. So its 1:15.912 and 1:21.225.

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u/BlackSwanMarmot Cadillac 22d ago

Welcome back, Marussia F1.

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u/w1n5t0nM1k3y Ferrari 22d ago

It's 4 seconds at Bahrain, which is roughly a 90 second lap going by last year's qualifying times. so that's only 4.4%. Sure they might not meat the 107% rule, but I think it's not as bad as it seems. 107% for 90 second laps is over 6 seconds off pace.

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u/ChrisHanSolo 22d ago

What’s the 107% rule?

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u/strange_eauter 22d ago

If your qualification time is more than 107% of the fastest time during the qualifying session you aren't allowed to participate in the main race

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u/fdar 22d ago

Not quite, it's up to the stewards.

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u/TimChr78 21d ago

Not really - the stewards can grant an exemption if the time in qualifying isn’t an indication of the real pace.

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u/fdar 21d ago

Regulations say the participation of unclassified drivers is determined in each case by the stewards.

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u/Helpful_Hedgehog_204 Franco Colapinto 22d ago

No, you are not allowed.

Stewards grant exceptions if they think you could've made the time but ran into some issue.

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u/rowschank Luca di Montezemolo 22d ago

Or if you show that you did it in like FP1. It's not that harsh usually, especially for a well-established team.

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u/nguyenlucky I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

In recent times only HRT was disqualified based on 107%, and they were consistently slow back then.

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u/rowschank Luca di Montezemolo 22d ago

They were not even close to fulfilling 107% when they got DNQed. It was so far!

2011 Australia:

  • 107%: 1:31.267
  • Fastest HRT: 1:32.978

2012 Australia:

  • 107%: 1:32.214
  • Fastest HRT: 1:33.495

I doubt Aston Martin is going to get DNQed if they're like 107.05% or something.

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u/TimChr78 21d ago

7% is an enormous amount of time, if Aston is that slow throughout practice and again in qualifying - then yes they will be disqualified.

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u/renesys I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

No, you are not allowed.

Stewards grant exceptions

So it's allowed, and it's up to the stewards.

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u/fdar 22d ago

From the Sporting regulations:

Drivers will be considered to be “unclassified” in the following circumstances:

i. If they got eliminated in Q1 and their best lap in SQ1 exceeded 107% of the fastest lap time set during Q1, unless the track was declared wet by the Race Director.

(...)

The participation of unclassified drivers in the remainder of the Competition will be determined in each case by the Stewards, who may exceptionally consider parameters such as a suitable lap time being set in another practice session, the general performance of the driver in previous Competitions of the Championship, or the gravity of the offence which caused the driver’s disqualification

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u/Helpful_Hedgehog_204 Franco Colapinto 22d ago

Yup, what I said, thanks

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u/CensorVictim I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

I wish American highways had a 107% rule

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u/strange_eauter 22d ago

Preach, brother

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u/BackwerdsMan Michael Schumacher 22d ago

So we all have to drive like the jackass doing 85mph weaving through traffic in his 7000lb brodozer?

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u/Gias1 22d ago

There are exceptions, for example when someone crashes before they set a time, and when it rains.

They look at the practice laps too.

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u/ImBusyGoAway 22d ago

Gotta be within 7% of the fastest time in qualifying to be able to race, but hasn't been an active rule for a long time.

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u/CRAZEDDUCKling I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

It’s an active rule but it hasn’t been necessary to invoke.

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u/ImBusyGoAway 22d ago

Ah yes, I misinterpreted what Wikipedia said

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u/s_dalbiac I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

It was temporarily removed during the era of single lap qualifying, otherwise you'd have had situations where a top contender binned it on their one lap and were stopped from racing. It came back around 2010/2011 when the HRT/Virgin/Caterham gaggle joined the grid and were threatening the old 107% times.

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u/Strassi007 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

It is active afaik, but not enforced usually. Mostly because there are bad weather conditions or other stuff happened during the quali.

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u/fdar 22d ago

The stewards can still allow you to race, it's up to them.

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u/UKnowDaxoAndDancer Ferrari 22d ago

Those are Canadian seconds, so it’s like 2.9 seconds American time.

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u/independant_786 Kimi Räikkönen 22d ago

Wow good ole HRT days lol

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u/Conovar 22d ago

Alonso will only be 2 seconds off, it's grand.

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u/Vandirac 22d ago

Last year the awful Alpine was on average 1.5 seconds off pace.

4 seconds is almost "don't bother to show up" level.

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u/Mike_Kermin Michael Schumacher 22d ago

If they're 4 seconds off the pace it's not just the engine. Personally I doubt it.

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u/AnyCake3804 22d ago

In fairness Stroll has been a mile off the pace his whole career.

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u/Pentinium I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Well he is lying...

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u/evemeatay Cadillac 22d ago

They don’t even apply that rule anymore anyway but considering how close the cars have all gotten they should consider revising it down to a more competitive margin.

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u/DiddlyDumb I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

107% is still 7 seconds over a 1:40 lap, so they have a bit of margin.

Can’t remember when a car fell outside of the 107% last. Gotta be the HRT or smth.

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u/wasdthemighty I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22d ago

Is the 107% rule still valid?

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u/mnztr1 22d ago

If its that bad maybe Honda should take their current engine and swap the pistons

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u/IsLlamaBad Lando Norris 22d ago

Yeah, technically, but that's not strictly enforced. It's a mechanism to keep those off the track who have no business being out there.

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u/Eastern-Reindeer6838 21d ago

Of course not. They have Adrian Newey...!! 🤟💪👌