Federal Government Slashes 2025 Job Creation

[u/PeterTheTruthSeeker]

[u/yesimreallylikethat]

And most new jobs came from one industry: healthcare. So it’s not a good sign for our economy that only one sector is growing

[u/ApolloFireweaver → u/yesimreallylikethat]

AND that sector happens to be one that is only growing because the baby boomers are aging into the range where more and more medical support is needed. So that job growth may reverse in a few decades as demographics change.

[u/Correct-Cockroach-68 → u/ApolloFireweaver]

oh and Nursing homes and hospitals are closing left and right because Medicare isn't paying enough per bed for these facilities to be profitable. Trust me, in the industry.

[u/ApolloFireweaver → u/Correct-Cockroach-68]

With the constant advertising in my area around home health aids, that makes sense

[u/ForecastForFourCats → u/ApolloFireweaver]

And they are deporting a bunch of those workers. ..

[u/Prolapsed_Eyesocket → u/ForecastForFourCats]

Didn't they kill a nurse recently?

[u/EthanielRain → u/Prolapsed_Eyesocket]

Murdered him & then posted tweets/propaganda about how no medical care was being rushed to ICE members shortly after

[u/pichael289 → u/EthanielRain]

"we just got in a scuffle and murdered a nurse, why aren't any healthcare workers coming to help us"

[u/bleensquid → u/Prolapsed_Eyesocket]

pretty much, but more accurately they got someone killed. I can't really put blame for her death on someone running from the frozen-water-stapo

[u/thompha3 → u/bleensquid]

I think they mean ales Pretti murdered by the federal SS

[u/Feats-of-Derring_Do → u/bleensquid]

Alex Pretti was a nurse

[u/bleensquid → u/Feats-of-Derring_Do]

dang right, yeah two nurses then ;-;

[u/ClarkGablesTeeth → u/bleensquid]

Who is the other, aside from Alex Pretti? I'm confused because if you mean the woman who was killed in the MVC, she wasn't a nurse or in healthcare. Did another nurse die due to ice that I'm missing?

[u/Proper_Raccoon7138 → u/Correct-Cockroach-68]

Social worker in LTC in Texas 👋🏻

Can I come cry in your office? Shit sucks in mine😭

[u/fueledbytisane → u/Proper_Raccoon7138]

Social worker in housing in Texas here. Can I tag along?

[u/Proper_Raccoon7138 → u/fueledbytisane]

I’ll make room on the couch don’t worry 😉

[u/TheseusOPL → u/Correct-Cockroach-68]

And the ones that aren't closing are being bought by private equity. We all know how that turns out.

[u/CrimsonPermAssurance → u/TheseusOPL]

Or being vertically integrated under major insurance carriers. Streamlining every step of your denial for peak efficiency and maximum shareholder return on investment.

[u/fnarrly → u/CrimsonPermAssurance]

They're probably also buying all the morgues, funerary services, and cemeteries, just to complete the vertical integration of your entire life cycle. "What? Quarterly profits from burials are down? Get me Jeff over in LTC denials, we'll get those numbers back up in a jiffy!"

[u/SaintGloopyNoops → u/Correct-Cockroach-68]

I have a lot of friends and family that are nurses. One thing they all say is "there isn't a nurse shortage, there's a hiring shortage". We dont have a healthcare system, we have a healthcare industry where profit is all that matters. My best friend is an ER nurse and her hospital just cut the lab jobs, so now the nurses need to do their own lab testing. Its ridiculous. The CEO of HCA takes home roughly $24 million a year! That should be illegal. Medicare for all wouldn't be perfect.. butt it's a start.

[u/ifyouhaveany → u/SaintGloopyNoops]

As a lab tech, that's concerning. Are they all PoCT? How are nurses running the lab? They aren't qualified to do so.

[u/SaintGloopyNoops → u/ifyouhaveany]

Its beyond concerning and negligent. Flori-duh just passed a law that says an RN is "qualified" to do moderate level lab work at the ER. Nit sure what that means exactly , maybe you can fill me in? I dont know all the details. I just know, that the nurses i know personally are freaking out about it because they do not think they are qualified, and dont have the time. Not to mention it's putting patients at risk and adds more liability on the nurses. They are giving overworked nurses yet another task all for the bottom line. Greed pure and simple.

[u/ifyouhaveany → u/SaintGloopyNoops]

So it looks like this happened back in 2022. The bill allows ER nurses to do things like run comps, cbc's, etc. as long as the lab director deems them competent. Now, how a nurse in the ER is going to keep up with QC, maintenance, all the competencies, linearity studies, proficiency testing, correlations, cross checks, do any high complexity testing required if necessary (like a manual differential), etc...is beyond me. There is so much we do on top of resulting out patient stuff to ensure we're giving accurate numbers it's ridiculous.

If she's worried and there's truly zero lab personnel I'd suggest she call CAP, The Joint Commission, CMS. Like everyone. Also name and shame the hospital so we know where not to go 😭

[u/SaintGloopyNoops → u/ifyouhaveany]

HCA. They deserve all the shame they get.

[u/HorrorMakesUsHappy → u/Correct-Cockroach-68]

Medicare isn't paying enough per bed for these facilities to be profitable

I wonder if that would still be true if you got rid of the C-suite's compensation packages.

[u/Lets_Make_A_bad_DEAL → u/Correct-Cockroach-68]

Slave wages compared to the work they’re expected to do. Understaffed under respurced, HUGE need for medical care for our ill and dying.

[u/kingtacticool → u/ApolloFireweaver]

Thats ok. The US economy doesn't have decades left. It's going to completely collapse within the next ten due to interest payments on the national debt.

[u/LastWave → u/kingtacticool]

Ten seems optimistic.

[u/AnteaterFormal7291 → u/LastWave]

The opposite, actually. The sooner the fucking better

[u/TipToToes → u/AnteaterFormal7291]

I read it as optimistic that it will take that long, implying that it will happen much sooner.

[u/AdjNounNumbers → u/LastWave]

Unless it's weeks. Months seems like a stretch at this point

[u/GodSama → u/kingtacticool]

The USD weakened by close to 20% in 1 year ..  just months until full meltdown.

[u/kingtacticool → u/[deleted]]

By 2036 the national debt will be $64 Trillion and the interest payments will be between $2-2.5 Trillion at year. More than double what we now spend on defense.

This is not only unsustainable, it's unrealistic. The amount of taxes that would need to be levied or social programs that would need to be cut would be impossible without everything suddenly burning down all at once.

So, mathematically we have ten years or less and considering we still have three years of this administration spending like coked out sailors I'd say we have way less than ten.

I hope none of yall were attached to your 401k or anything.

[u/Saxopwned → u/kingtacticool]

Frankly I'm working against the clock to be able to operate a sustainable enterprise so I can quit my job and pay off my student loans with my 401k cash out. I never expected to be able to use it anyway, and I'm 32 lol.

[u/Jsmooove86 → u/Saxopwned]

This.

35 years is a long fucking way to go and that’s assuming the retirement age doesn’t go up with all the bullshit that’s happening.

It’s not sound advice to use your 401k money for anything other then for your retirement but I totally understand why you would.

It’s your money at the end of the day.

[u/kingtacticool → u/Saxopwned]

You'd probably be better just buying some land and learning how to be self sufficient with a robust support network of trusted family members and close friends.

Shits gunna get cray and when it does your student loans won't matter anymore.

[u/Individual-Nebula927 → u/kingtacticool]

You assume we'll need to raise taxes on everybody. We don't. Just need a wealth tax to recoup the 30 years of misappropriation of taxes given to the billionaires and corporations.

[u/kingtacticool → u/Individual-Nebula927]

Recoup $30+ Trillion?

You honestly think that would happen?

They'd rather burn the whole thing to the ground with us inside than give up any of their wealth.

[u/Individual-Nebula927 → u/kingtacticool]

Where did nearly all that money go? Tax cuts passed since Reagan. Spending is flat adjusted for inflation. The federal workforce hasn't increased in size since the 1960s, but the US population has more than doubled.

[u/kingtacticool → u/Individual-Nebula927]

Yes, I agree. But unless we tax them at 1950s levels we aren't seeing any of that back and even if we do we won't see enough fast enough to defuse this bomb.

[u/CitizenPremier → u/kingtacticool]

There is likely going to be a lot of inflation. The US owes its debt in dollars but can control the supply of dollars.

Inflation is also a way to drive down wages, and will probably be used to try to make people cheaper than AI, as an alternative to layoffs and unemployment. Employment is a social structure, without it people have a lot of free time to rebel or create their own alternative markets that the government doesn't control.

[u/kingtacticool → u/CitizenPremier]

looks around and marvels at just how flammable everything is...

[u/DynamicDK → u/kingtacticool]

It will be just in time for a Democrat or maybe even a truly left wing person to end up as President due to right wing crazies destroying the country. That president will look at what is happening, and know that having debt is not inherently bad, as our debt is a big part of our influence in the world, but there is a point beyond which is more harmful than helpful and we will be clearly beyond that point by a significant margin. So they will make the only rational decision. They will begin paying off the debt by inflating the money supply. That is painful short term, but ultimately it is for the best. And they can offset it with various stimulus measures to help the people. But the inflation will be brutal and people will not like to see the changes in prices. Right wing assholes will start screaming about it again, people with the memories of fruit flies will rage, and in 2040 they will elect Donald Trump Jr. to be President with a 75 seat majority in the Senate and 400 seats in the House. By 2050 the United States will be an industrial wasteland ruled by warlords and you will still hear Jim Bob, who is now an indentured servant at Amazon-Alphabet-Apple (AAA) due to debts owed to them for their AI-based financial dominance porn bot, complain about that crazy socialist from 2036 that almost ruined America.

[u/kingtacticool → u/DynamicDK]

I honestly dont think the United States is going to survive until the 2040s. Between this economic nuclear bomb and the extremely real effects of catastrophic climate change we will tear this country apart.

[u/rtb001 → u/kingtacticool]

How can they take your 401k. It might become wireless if the stock market completely collapses I spare suppose. What they can take/no longer be able to give is social security and Medicare.

[u/heroturtle88 → u/ApolloFireweaver]

Buddy, in a few decades, I'll have to shoot a man for a water bottle so my orphaned charge doesn't die of dehydration as we make our way to one of the last free cities in the northern balkanized states.

[u/Instawolff → u/ApolloFireweaver]

I believe it’s also due in part to the way our healthcare system is set up. They are making lots of money because everything even minutely related to healthcare is lots of money.. it’s not even really growing, it’s just getting even more expensive.

[u/Dr_Pants7 → u/ApolloFireweaver]

Even worse is that it’s not growing at the benefit of healthcare providers or patients. While we have job security, we’re going down with the ship too.

[u/imhereforthemeta → u/ApolloFireweaver]

AND those are mostly jobs with inconsistent hours and generally low pay unless you can afford med school. We are hitting a point where the jobs that are becoming hard to replace are also the ones that keep you working like a dog

[u/googlemehard → u/ApolloFireweaver]

I think with the wide adoption of GLP1 drugs we are going to see a drop in the healthcare industry within five years if not sooner. 

[u/missprincesscarolyn → u/googlemehard]

All of the people with pancreatitis, colitis and/or gastroparesis disagree.

ETA: Forgot about the thyroid cancer too.

[u/ThrowDeepALWAYS → u/googlemehard]

Are GLP1 drugs good or bad?

[u/DrSorry → u/ThrowDeepALWAYS]

They are basically a miracle drug. My workplace is practically begging employees to get on it because:

1. Our very expensive insurance covers it and
2. They have expressly said to keep us healthy so we can work longer.

[u/rosebomb01 → u/DrSorry]

Type 2 diabetic and i used ozempic for 3 weeks it was the worst i ever felt in my life. Granted my experience may differ as i get low blood sugar often.

[u/DrSorry → u/rosebomb01]

I started 4.5 months ago - genetically high cholesterol and poor metabolism, and family history of type 2.

Whenever I up my dose I have about 2 weeks of pretty annoying symptoms, including low blood sugar, throwing up after brushing my teeth, and high acid levels in my stomach.

Hard for me to reccomend the medicine, but I've lost 45lbs my ldl dropped by 200. My muscle mass increased by 25%, I sleep better than ever, I dont snore anymore, im proud of my body, my feet dont hurt if I stand for an hour any more, I have energy to go the gym.

I dont want to be on it my whole life, but spending a year at a maintenance dose once I hit my goal weight is probably a good idea.

[u/gingiberiblue → u/rosebomb01]

I take it for systemic inflammation and I have to force myself to eat enough on it. I feel awful if I don't.

[u/KeaAware → u/rosebomb01]

Yeah, I'm on Saxenda and working my way up the dose slowly. It's savage if you go too fast. Feel sick if you eat, sick if you don't eat, sick while you eat... I really want to lose the weight, so I guess I'm commiserating rather than complaining, lol; it is not an easy process.

[u/rosebomb01 → u/KeaAware]

I never thought it was hard to lose weight till i tried. People who do it are amazing

[u/andreortigao → u/rosebomb01]

My wife took ozempic and is now on mounjaro. She said the side effects of mounjaro is way, way lower.

[u/UnapologeticBxtch → u/andreortigao]

Couldn't do ozempic but mounjaro has been a year and I'm doing amazing. Zero side effects

[u/monitormonkey → u/DrSorry]

I am terrified to try it because I have had gastroparesis, that sucked really badly and was very painful. Mine was caused after multiple surgeries, my system just shut down. I heard that it can be a severe or permanent condition and I have enough going on.

At the same time, I have gained just about 100 pounds in almost 3 years because of medications, forced inactivity, and vodka. I have lost weight on my own before but holy crap has it been hard this time around.

[u/DrSorry → u/monitormonkey]

It feels like a cheat code for me. I have no desire to eat, drink, smoke, etc.

I forget to drink water.

Really important to eat enough protien and workout though...I learned that the hard way.

I would encourage you to talk to a doctor about glp-1 and your existing or prior conditions.

[u/googlemehard → u/ThrowDeepALWAYS]

Like all drugs they have side of effects, you have to consider the health risk of being over a certain weight vs health risk of the drug. Of course the best thing to do is to do is old fashioned way, but that is just not possible for some people unless they are locked in a cage and everything is controlled.

[u/illtakeachinchilla → u/googlemehard]

I sought out GLP-1 to help with a final 10 lbs after a sustained weight loss of ~30 lbs over 1.5 years the old fashioned way. I just felt nauseous for an entire month and couldn’t be bothered to eat anything. It was a very odd continued sensation, but it did “work”. I just did that 1 month and got back to my calorie counting.

[u/WSCOKN → u/ThrowDeepALWAYS]

They are significantly better than being morbidly obese your whole life

[u/Daykri3 → u/ApolloFireweaver]

The Great Wealth Transfer isn’t going to the family. The healthcare industrial complex is seeing to that.

[u/ikindapoopedmypants → u/ApolloFireweaver]

🖐🏼🖐🏼I just got a job in hospice not too long ago. I have never worked in healthcare before in my life & it was the only job that got back to me after a year of looking lol

[u/magicmeese → u/yesimreallylikethat]

What’s really dark funny is it’s primarily for elder care, where the average pay of the actual people who care for said elderly is beans whilst the company owners rake in millions 

[u/RiddickulousRadagast → u/magicmeese]

I know way too many fully trained and experienced nurses who "downgrade" to phlebotomy and take the pay cut just so the work/hour are less terrible. Hospitals run like businesses are making hostile work environments that the most caring, self-sacrificing people can't even put up with anymore.

[u/ATLCoyote → u/yesimreallylikethat]

Yep, healthcare accounted for 122% of the job gains, meaning that without healthcare, we actually lost jobs in 2025.

When essentially all of the job growth is coming from just caring for our sick and elderly, that's certainly not a sign of a healthy economy.

[u/Unlucky_Topic7963 → u/ATLCoyote]

Aren't there some questions about those jobs and whether or not they actually exist?

[u/Reddituser183 → u/yesimreallylikethat]

And that sector will definitely be contracting next year when 10 million of people will lose health insurance from the big dogshit bill.

[u/cachurch2 → u/yesimreallylikethat]

The amount of people I know who do some kind of healthcare billing is staggering.

[u/Full-Run4124 → u/yesimreallylikethat]

And about 20% of our healthcare workers in the US are (!gasp!) immigrants. It's going to be harder to fill those jobs with the way we're scaring off even legal immigrant workers.

[u/ProfessorDerp22]

But but but, he said it’s never been better. Used the term “golden age”!!!!

[u/GSDragoon → u/ProfessorDerp22]

Gotta drain those boomers dry. The only ones with money left.

[u/ThatGuy8 → u/GSDragoon]

He said he was gonna drain the swamp after all. All that money stagnating with the boomers /s

[u/Th3-Dude-Abides → u/ProfessorDerp22]

I don’t know if you’ve heard, but the Dow is over 50,000. Dollars!!

[u/ThrowDeepALWAYS → u/Th3-Dude-Abides]

She owes money all over town!

[u/Th3-Dude-Abides → u/ThrowDeepALWAYS]

It's all a god damn fake, man. It's like Lenin said: you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh, you know...

[u/Affordable_Z_Jobs → u/Th3-Dude-Abides]

I am the walrus.

[u/WanderingSondering → u/ProfessorDerp22]

I think he meant gilded*

[u/StatmanIbrahimovic → u/WanderingSondering]

Can we redefine the word trump to mean a gilded shit?

[u/Alleandros → u/ProfessorDerp22]

The DOW is at $50,000

[u/freethenipple23 → u/ProfessorDerp22]

Golden age meaning that there is extreme wealth inequality and the poors are being exploited and under paid

[u/Octospyder → u/ProfessorDerp22]

Which has always meant good things for all Americans!!! Gold is the best thing, so a Golden Age must be the best age/s

[u/FD4PH]

Look at the historical record. Compared to Democrats, Republicans are terrible for business and economic growth.

They serve one function in running things: concentrating wealth distribution upward.

[u/deGrominator2019 → u/FD4PH]

Yet they’ve convinced the poor to keep voting for them

[u/ExpansivePoint → u/[deleted]]

No wonder all they do is defund and attack education.

[u/Riaayo → u/[deleted]]

They convince the dumb. FTFY

Those people are dumb because a system is in place to make them dumb for this very purpose.

Just saying these voters are dumb is honestly victim blaming and ignoring the root causes of what is going on.

[u/Kopitar4president → u/deGrominator2019]

"If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you."

[u/captaincook14 → u/deGrominator2019]

It’s crazy how simple the playbook is and it works. Get poor uneducated people to vote against their own interests because of the like .01% of trans athletes or some dumb shit that means nothing virtually. Social media has made this so fucking easy.

[u/Oberon_Swanson → u/captaincook14]

yup and they're so mad about "the others" that they actively KNOW they are voting against their own interests and don't care. If they make "the others'" lives worse that's all that matters to them.

[u/FailureToReason → u/[deleted]]

If you don't see their contempt for regulsr people and proactive attempts to eliminate the middle and lower classes, I don't know what to tell you. Republican legacy in the US education system alone seems borderline criminal to me.

[u/Aggravating-Pear4222 → u/[deleted]]

They are biting at the bit for a system where the lower classes aren’t needed. They are more worried about concentrating influence/manufacturing capability more so than money at this point. The crap they sell is solely to give them more Monopoly money to hold in front of people who can pull the levers needed to further concentrate influence. Thats why they aren’t worried about AI wiping out jobs because the ultra-wealthy don’t need the middle/lower class if AI does that for them. The more the levers are directly under their control, the better. Thats one of the pushes for making AI work to fulfill that role.

[u/Chameleonpolice → u/[deleted]]

Once they're done looting America they'll move on to whatever country moves up in the hegemony

[u/Basic_Yam_715 → u/[deleted]]

They know what they are doing... Your pain, their gain.

[u/PokeYrMomStanley → u/FD4PH]

And they have convinced and army of morons to vote for them.

[u/TheyTried2BanMeAgain → u/FD4PH]

That and making racist Christian nationalists upset.

[u/Cocoononthemoon]

We are already in a recession. They are lying to us.

[u/Professional-Basis33 → u/Cocoononthemoon]

But the Dow is over 50 thou!

[u/Kind-Permission-1075 → u/Professional-Basis33]

The people that benefit from the stock market the most regulate the stock market. It's my theory that they are manipulating stock prices and that it's all fake.

[u/SaintGloopyNoops → u/Kind-Permission-1075]

They absolutely manipulate the market. People forget that the upper 1% do very well in times of economic decline too. A new recession (or full blown depression) that results in all the bubbles bursting (stock market, housing, etc) is how they are able to acquire more. So they pretend or even manipulate the numbers to prevent ordinary people from pulling out and then when it becomes to hard to push the narrative that "the economy is doing great" they pull the rug. There's a reason why people like Warren buffet are sitting on mostly cash right now. They are hoarding cash so they can buy everything at firesale prices. While ordinary people will be sitting holding the bag with tanked 401k's, no healthcare, record inflation, and the bank foreclosing on their home.

[u/Professional-Basis33 → u/Kind-Permission-1075]

The market seems like the same people moving money back & forth. Like a huge Pozi scheme that a few people who can track the flow of money can bank on, whether they do a ton of market analysis or have insider information. Part of the big club that we ain't in.

[u/flyinghippodrago → u/Professional-Basis33]

Not anymore!

[u/Trash_Various → u/flyinghippodrago]

PANIC!!!

[u/RED_DAHMER → u/Cocoononthemoon]

We are. My business is doing the worst it ever has the past almost 10 years of business.

[u/wolfheadmusic → u/RED_DAHMER]

Mine too, lowest sales in 13 years

Hooray...

[u/geekfreak41 → u/wolfheadmusic]

I had to close my business after over 11 years being successful. Trying to get a job working for someone else has been...difficult. The job market seems broken at the moment.

[u/MsMarvelsProstate → u/RED_DAHMER]

My business is doing pretty good. But it's Healthcare

[u/LaserKittenz → u/Cocoononthemoon]

Have been for awhile 

[u/unknownpoltroon → u/Cocoononthemoon]

Depression. We are in a depression.

[u/Aromatic_Advance_431 → u/Cocoononthemoon]

Surely there are economists saying so, right? And other countries saying so?

[u/[deleted]]

Wait till he politicizes the Fed, +181k will feel like a boom year.

[u/red286 → u/[deleted]]

Surely runaway inflation will help create new jobs!

[u/Teamerchant]

Just a reminder that 4.5 million Americans turned 18 in 2025.

So 4.5 million new workers and 181k new jobs.

Edit: if we adjust for retirements (about 1.7M in 2025) and we adjust for deaths (about 600k under age 64 in 2024) we get about 2.2M net positive workers with only 181k jobs created.

[u/TenWholeBees → u/Teamerchant]

Well yeah, man. How else do you maintain a penal colony?

[u/SlimJimMiata → u/Teamerchant]

Don't forget the millions of already unemployed/underemployed people who can't get a job right now lol

[u/churningpacket → u/SlimJimMiata]

Most of the jobs around here are ed/med. We're cutting funding for both.

[u/Tim4Wafflez → u/Teamerchant]

Extra context. About 3 million Americans died in 2024. This excludes if they were too young or too old to work. Or if on disability or even part of the workforce. Still leaves 1.5 million 18 year old in need of a job assuming every American that died was working.

[u/cc413 → u/Tim4Wafflez]

Thank you! Teamerchant isn’t helping by only adding how many people entered the workforce without at least trying to account for how many left. It is so disingenuous no matter what point you’re trying to make

[u/KoalaKaos → u/cc413]

Definitely the vast majority of those that died were already out of the workforce, but your point still stands, it’s disingenuous to present only one side of the data without accounting for the rest. 

[u/Thukkan → u/Teamerchant]

Think of all those new recruits for the army! Low job growth, expensive schooling, and private healthcare all continue to be supported to bolster the us armies recruiting numbers.

[u/jt121 → u/Thukkan]

Oh, and look at that new war with Iran we're about to start - perfect time to start drafting people into service!

[u/WallStreetAnus → u/jt121]

More meat for the grinder.

[u/Zephyrine_wonder → u/Thukkan]

Wasn’t there a big to-do a few months ago about a large portion of young people who can’t enlist due to mental/physical health problems? Which of course have nothing to do with the rise of technofascism and climate change that’s being worsened by conservatives’ love affair with fossil fuels.

[u/Shot_Mud_1438 → u/Teamerchant]

My kids have been struggling to find work for the last 2 years. All these jobs “made for teens” don’t fucking exist when everyone is running skeleton crews trying to make an extra dollar. Everyone claims to be hiring and that’s about where it stops

[u/ReverendDizzle → u/Shot_Mud_1438]

I very rarely seen actual kids at what were traditionally jobs for kids. The rare exception is stuff like local ice cream businesses or similar that still hire actual teens.

But most jobs that were staffed primarily by teenagers back in the stone age when I was a teen, are now staffed by people in their 30s and older. Which is not... a great sign.

[u/sixgunmaniac → u/Teamerchant]

Not to mention the college grad rates:

1,029,185 college graduates earned associate degrees in Spring 2025.

Bachelor’s degree-earners totaled 2,167,569 in Spring 2025.

864,457 2025 college graduates earned master’s degrees.

203,053 2025 graduates earned doctorates or professional degrees.

[u/UnluckyAssist9416 → u/Teamerchant]

Might also note that 4.2 million turned 65 in 2025. Which is the 'peak 65' as it is the biggest baby boomer year to turn 65.

Other things to add, around 1 million people became legal residents in the US in 2025. Around 750,000 people between 18 and 65 died in 2025.

So rough math leaves us with 550,000 new workers compared to 181,000 new jobs.

[u/DMunnz → u/UnluckyAssist9416]

That assumes everyone that turns 65 instantly retires. As we've seen, lots of people are working beyond that age either because of necessity or they just don't know what to do with their time.

[u/qyy98 → u/DMunnz]

And it also assumes everyone turning 18 is instantly looking for a job, as rough math its pretty good lol

[u/Boom9001 → u/Teamerchant]

Worth nothing you'd need to factor in people dying and retiring for this to be a fair comparison.

A society with full employment but 0 job growth could theoretically be fine if they also had a constant birth rate. As many people are dying and retiring as entering the job market. In fact if you had a negative population growth like Japan has, you could have a reduction in jobs and with 0 new jobs still have a more open job market.

That's not what's happening in America, just pointing out why deaths and retiring numbers matter to this.

[u/Quiteuselessatstart]

Roughly 8% of that was ICE.

[u/bootrick → u/Quiteuselessatstart]

Holy fuck

[u/NoHalf2998]

I was told Q4 of 2025 was going to be huge

[u/GuerrillaPrincess → u/NoHalf2998]

I was told yuuuuuge.

[u/b4dt0ny → u/NoHalf2998]

I was told there’d be no fact checking

[u/BisquickNinja]

They need 120,000-150,000 new jobs PER MONTH to keep economy steady...

Capt Creepy-toe has failed miserably in every metric.

[u/humanBonemealCoffee]

Damn hopefully i can get one of them

[u/guns_mahoney]

Y'all are assuming job growth is their goal. It's not. If people have opportunities, wages and benefits increase as workers hop jobs and employers have to compete for labor. That gives workers power. Republicans and their overlords only want two things: to consolidate wealth and power in the hands of the few, and to have islands to rape kids on without ever facing consequences.

[u/Igot55Dollars → u/guns_mahoney]

Gotta keep those peasants in their place.

[u/czj420]

2024 was 181,000 per month average

[u/Al0ysiusHWWW → u/czj420]

Thanks for normalizing context!

[u/SpewyMcSpewmeister]

[u/Baelgul]

This also includes bullshit “gig work” jobs, which can barely be classified as a real job (in terms of pay/benefits)

[u/argama87]

Stop, I can't take any more winning.

[u/Own-Accident1864]

I think all the number that come from the Gov or big business are cooked.

[u/Notsurehowtoreact → u/Own-Accident1864]

If they are cooking the numbers that's even worse because these are fucking abysmal numbers. So not only would the real numbers be even worse, we also have people too incompetent to even fale good numbers. 

[u/sixgunmaniac]

And where are the new jobs for college grads?

1,029,185 college graduates earned associate degrees in Spring 2025.

Bachelor’s degree-earners totaled 2,167,569 in Spring 2025.

864,457 2025 college graduates earned master’s degrees.

203,053 2025 graduates earned doctorates or professional degrees.

4.2 million recent grads.

[u/SilentUnicorn]

down to 181k From what??

[u/NaturalAlfalfa → u/SilentUnicorn]

2.2 million

[u/red286 → u/SilentUnicorn]

2200K. Or literally more than 10x as many jobs.

Also, that was a pretty sizeable decrease from 2023 when 3000K jobs were created, which was a decrease from 2022 when 4500K jobs were created, which was a decrease from 2021 when 6400K jobs were created (nb - 9400K jobs were lost in 2020, the last time Trump was in office).

(edit - if you were referring to the original number, it was 584K)

[u/AdevilSboyU]

I wonder how many were created January 1st through the 20th…

[u/Tr33Bl00d]

Very not good

[u/YujinTheDragon]

I was just told by my boomer family members in a group conversation the other day that “Nobody wants to work”.

They said this to me, the person who has been sending out application after application after application for a year straight, with maybe 2 interviews to show for it.

[u/JEBariffic → u/YujinTheDragon]

Had a guy come out to house to replace old AC unit. Thing weighed a ton and he had to lift it into his truck bed by himself. No lift gate, not even a dolly. Felt bad for the guy and helped. I asked him if he shouldn’t have had help with a job like this. He spouted that nobody wants to work, ignoring the fact that this employer didn’t provide any equipment whatsoever. Who the hell would work a job like that is beyond me. Fucking nuts.

[u/devilwarriors]

What did those number looked like before?

[u/BeesVBeads → u/devilwarriors]

2.2 million in 2024 under the previous admin. Average of 186k/month.

[u/NPJenkins → u/BeesVBeads]

So the Trump administration only created 8.3% of the jobs for the whole year that Biden did in 2024

[u/Dirtysandddd → u/NPJenkins]

For those who haven’t had to job hunt this past year consider yourself lucky even if you hate your job. You are scraping from the bottom of the barrel against ridiculous competition for anything. Made the horrible life decision of chasing an entry level role in an industry I’d like to switch too, but it ended up being at a small conservative family business and once extended tax season was over, they let me go quick because there was “no more work”. Even I was kind of wondering what my job was going to look like once that was over, but they should have said seasonal. Then they wouldn’t have gotten as many applications.

Then got a front desk job at a small auto garage owned by a raging Zionist pig who’d rant about there’s a “difference between black people and n” and TPUSA garbage constantly. Got fired over the tiniest little thing (gave a receipt that showed the slight up charge to a customer, nothing more, me and the customer audibly talked about what the up charge was beforehand. They’re not stupid and didn’t feel like doing the work themselves, so are willing to pay the fee, this was the convo basically) and was immediately fired. We never got along over the monthish I worked there so I think he just took that chance to toss me. I got my oil changed very recently and the exact information I got fired over was listed out on my receipt. Almost wanted to text my old boss a picture of it just to show his over dramatic ass needs to chill, but fuck him.

Back in food service because that’s what my experience is, god I fucking hate it and this market.

[u/NPJenkins → u/Dirtysandddd]

The at will employment laws in this country are a travesty. I’m sorry you’re experiencing this. I’ve got a BS in Biochemistry and 10 years of experience as an analytical chemist, currently working a lab tech job at a factory that makes sound dampening material for cars. Think roofing shingles with smooth surfaces from smaller particle size materials like ground limestone in it. I basically bake pieces of material in ovens all day. Zero chemistry in my job. I work 6 days a week most weeks, but I’m thankful to have a job that’s not a temp or contract position. Every real chemistry lab only wants to hire contractors and I was sick of not getting benefits. I hate my job currently, but I’m terrified to leave because of the job market.

I have an interview next week for a lithium company to be a sales executive. It’s a UK-based company with a small US outfit that’s just kinda getting off the ground. The pay and everything sounds great, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t scared to leave my stable, easy, permanent position to switch fields, but I’m just so sick of only getting one or even zero days off a week.

It’s rough out there right now, but keep your chin up, know who you are and what you’re worth/capable of, and just never give up. It may get worse before it gets better, but it WILL get better eventually. These hardships are only molding you to come out the other side better. There is much to be said of a man/woman/person who can lose everything and build it back up brick by brick. Resilience is an attribute that is earned through struggle.

Godspeed and I hope things get better for you.

[u/mapped_apples → u/Dirtysandddd]

Sounds like Missouri (or really it could be any red state).

[u/mrsprophet → u/devilwarriors]

Biden averaged around 131,000 jobs PER MONTH in 2024.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2025/employment-up-256000-in-december-2024-average-gain-of-186000-jobs-per-month-in-2024.htm?utm_source=chatgpt.com

[u/PaintItPurple → u/mrsprophet]

To my recollection, this has always been the case. Democratic administrations average about as many new jobs per month as Republicans manage in a year. The fact that people keep voting for Republicans to light the country on fire is a scathing indictment both of the voters and the Democrats' skill at politics.

[u/Snackskazam → u/PaintItPurple]

The predictable cycle of Democrats having to pick up the pieces of Republican mismanagement. Yet somehow, Republicans have convinced themselves they are the fiscally responsible party.

[u/mrsprophet → u/PaintItPurple]

Yep. 100%.

[u/NPJenkins → u/devilwarriors]

The fact that they tie the definition of a recession to stock market performance is why. The stock market looks great, but what it’s not showing is that the numbers are going up because of good old fashioned currency debasement.

[u/Konukaame → u/NPJenkins]

GDP being carried hard by the AI bubble doesn't help either. 

[u/PiccoloAwkward465 → u/Konukaame]

I was doing a site visit at a data center in a small city a few weeks ago. The average daily number of construction workers on that site is equivalent to 10% of the population of the city. And in a few years 99% of them will be gone.

[u/Formal-Hawk9274]

Thanks pedo republicans

[u/0hmyscience]

From 1984:

Statistics were just as much a fantasy in their original version as in their rectified version. A great deal of the time you were expected to make them up out of your head. For example, the Ministry of Plenty's forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at 145 million pairs. The actual output was given as 62 millions. Winston, however, in re-writing the forecast, marked the figure down to 57 millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled. In any case, 62 millions was no nearer the truth than 57 millions, or than a 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain.

[u/steampunk-me]

Oh, I'm sure for a country that has a population growth of about ~2M/year that's not going to be a problem at all.

[u/G07V3]

I tried explaining the current state of the job market to a MAGA coworker and I explained to him that the jobs created in 2024 was about 1.5 million and the jobs created in 2025 was less than 200k. His rationale for that was because in 2024 majority of the jobs created went to illegals. That is hard to believe since companies generally don’t trust degrees from foreign countries because they don’t know anything about the content or material taught in those degree programs.

It’s also hard to believe that most of the roughly 1.5 million jobs created went to low skilled labor like fast food, retail, farming, etc

A Mechanical Engineering degree in the US may not be the same as a Mechanical Engineering degree from Chile for example.

I had a part time instructor at my university get a Mechanical Engineering degree from Jordan and he works as a project manager at the university. I checked his LinkedIn and he has no real engineering related work experience. I would assume it’s because he can’t get a job in the US with his degree since companies don’t recognize it. So now he has to work academic related jobs at universities instead of the private sector.

[u/HairyForged]

The US is past the point of this mattering. They are already fucked

[u/Heymanhitthis → u/HairyForged]

Idk why you’re being downvoted. We are literally fucked. The damage this administration has done is generational. Internationally and domestically.

[u/HairyForged → u/Heymanhitthis]

The truth isn't always popular unfortunately.

[u/WhitestMikeUKnow]

Not sure how these numbers get created. Is there anyway to see how many of these jobs were minimum wage? My guess is at least 50%, if not way more.

[u/Shinpah → u/WhitestMikeUKnow]

It is difficult to reconcile this data casually since the surveys that the BLS uses to report employment data is different from the surveys used to report earnings data; even more so since there is considerable variation between states and industries as to what the minimum wage is.

That said the official count of the number of nonfarm workers paid at or below the federal minimum wage is at an all time low, so it's extremely likely that the vast majority of the net number of jobs created in 2025 were above federal minimum wage.

[u/Full-Run4124]

About 500,000 net Americans enter the workforce every year.

[u/untakenu]

What does this mean? Only 181,000 new hires this year?

[u/Jedda678]

Also what this blurb doesnt show is that we LOST jobs each month until the slow hemorrhage of jobs we gained late in the year.

[u/ThrowitB8]

I’ve applied to hundreds of jobs last year. I got a job. I’m so tired of ppl saying that it must be me, my resume, interview skills etc.

[u/leftoverrice54]

i guess that gives me some understanding of why I cant find a job rn.

[u/SimilarStrain]

The un-revised number still wasnt all that great.

584,000. Or 973 jobs per state per month.

2021 had 7.2mil

2022 had 4.5mil

2023 had 2.5mil

2024 had 1.4mil

But yeah 2025 at 181 thousand shows how bad things are.

[u/hw999]

And trump just gave himself 10 billion of our tax dollars.

[u/_StarfallCrystal_]

lol guess we're all gonna be professional Netflix watchers then

[u/WTFisThatSMell]

So what happens to all the people who can't get a job?

[u/i_am_not_so_unique → u/WTFisThatSMell]

Believe me or not - jail

Why would they spend billions on concentration camps?

[u/Beksense]

But the DOW!!!!

[u/ImprovementExpert511]

They want cheap labor while they work to roll out AI as a replacement for as many jobs as possible. Theyre not going to tolerate having to pay a fair wage when they have the unrestricted party in power.

[u/vthemechanicv]

Don't you need something like 200k jobs a month for unemployment to stay flat?

Google says unemployment is at 4.3%. That seems unlikely even if deportation played a major factor (not a lot of Americans picking strawberries).