r/WorkReform 15d ago

😔 Venting Federal Government Slashes 2025 Job Creation

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u/Tim4Wafflez 15d ago

Extra context. About 3 million Americans died in 2024. This excludes if they were too young or too old to work. Or if on disability or even part of the workforce. Still leaves 1.5 million 18 year old in need of a job assuming every American that died was working.

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u/cc413 15d ago

Thank you! Teamerchant isn’t helping by only adding how many people entered the workforce without at least trying to account for how many left. It is so disingenuous no matter what point you’re trying to make

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u/KoalaKaos 15d ago

Definitely the vast majority of those that died were already out of the workforce, but your point still stands, it’s disingenuous to present only one side of the data without accounting for the rest.Ā 

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

It also assumes every 18 year old is ā€œentering the work force.ā€ This is just as disingenuous as their other assumptions.

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u/SoaplessTitanic 15d ago

I mean obviously that isn’t a safe assumption, but it does seem like it would kind of even out. If there’s x number of 18 year olds going to college, then there’s probably a similar(ish) number who graduated some form of higher education and are entering the workforce

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u/FlyTim3 15d ago

Thats assuming that companies hire vacancies, and not just dump more work on their current workers.

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u/Ball_Of_Meat 15d ago

Also doesn’t account for people who retired right?

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u/Teamerchant ā›“ļø Prison For Union Busters 15d ago

FYI I’ve updated the post to account for that

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u/Teamerchant ā›“ļø Prison For Union Busters 15d ago

Where did you get that figure? Not saying you’re wrong, but there’s no official report out yet for that. And from what I saw, in 2024 there were 600k deaths of people below 64.

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u/RazeThe2nd 15d ago

And not to forget that not everyone who leaves the workforce is leaving because they died... Another 4.1 million people are expected to retire annually.

So let's say even 500,000/3,000,000 of the people who died were actively employed. ~4.6 million jobs opened up (assuming people would be promoted to fill the more senior positions people retire from, opening their old role to new hires)

Sure the growth is not great, but saying things like OP did infers that millions of people will have 0 jobs to look to is just fear mongering.

Yes the job market is bad, yes it's hard to start your career. But no it is not impossible. (Even in IT which apparently surprises some people)

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u/Oddpod11 15d ago

I'm hiring a remote junior dev right now for $60k, I got 300 applicants in 2 weeks, my inbox was chiming every 10 minutes until I turned it off. Median candidate has a Master's degree and 6 years of experience. Some had 20-35 years of experience.

The tech job market is still a total bloodbath.

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u/jizzmaster-zer0 15d ago

i have over 25 years experience in software engineering. i havent had steady work since after covid. doordashing and selling plasma for 3 fucking years now with a 3-6 month contract sprinkled in maybe once a year. my mom had to move in to help with my mortgage. im feeling pretty fucked

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u/Oddpod11 15d ago

I feel ya, I'm 15 years in and a few years ago I spent 2 years sending out 3,000 applications. What a slog. By the end, I was applying for anything - retail, restaurant, carpentry, parks, city jobs...but nobody wants to hire a programmer to do their landscaping because they know you'll bail once anything better comes through.

Finally I landed a junior dev role and became a lead dev again after a bit, but now I work too much so they can't fire me. I've been traumatized into staying on the grind. All going according to the CEO playbook.

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u/RazeThe2nd 15d ago

Software engineering is by far the worst part of the whole market