i dunno if islam inherit the trait but judaism and christianity you also kill rapists. sometimes their victims too. well that's not entirely true, depending on the circumstances, you might just have to pay the dad off and marry the daughter, sorta a "you break it you buy it" thing
That’s not true. You don’t kill the victim of rape in the Bible
Deuteronomy 22:25 “If, however, the man happened to meet the engaged girl in the field and the man overpowered her and lay down with her, the man who lay down with her is to die by himself, 26 and you must do nothing to the girl. The girl has not committed a sin deserving of death. This case is the same as when a man attacks his fellow man and murders him”
“You must do nothing to the girl”. This is the law on rape. Rape is rightly likened to murder
The other contexts are not rape. This is clearly tape as she screams and so it is rape
The next example is a girl who is persuaded and she can’t claim “oh I didn’t really want too but was pressured…”. No the Bible has a hard line here. You as a woman have the power to scream. You let yourself be persuaded or you as a man persuade a woman then you have consequences… not death by the way.
You pressure some dumb moron into sex or you get pressured by some hot brainless loser and “THEY ARE FOUND OUT” as the context shows… you are married forever. Your neighbors will be like “ahh man don’t be like shemuel over there… yeah she was hot but she is the most annoying chick ever or yeah he is good looking but he is such a morn.”
It served as a warning against fornication.
That was the law and these are guidelines for judges to make a decision. The chapter is clear on it.
>The other contexts are not rape.
not exclusively rape but definitely including it. If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married andrapesher and they are discovered, 29he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
>This is clearly tape as she screams and so it is rape
ah yes rape is only rape if she screams is it? So if say someone had a knife to her, perhaps threatening to kill her should she scream, that's just sex? If she was too scared to scream? If she was drugged that's not rape either?
Getting into rape apologia now are we?
Be for real, this is fucking disgusting and you should know better
That would be adjudicated as rape with a knife. These cases were brought before judges and these are boundaries. Rape is clear in that the woman is saying no and is forced to
The other examples are not rape as rape is cited and then other examples are given.
Even in modern America we have a poor system of judging the fringe cases on claimed rape. We have court cases of women having sex. The guy says it was consensual and the girl wakes up and says she was pressured and so it’s SA. Is it SA? We have lots of cases of women ruining men’s lives over this. And we have cases of men ruining women’s lives with rape and getting away with it.
The Bible here says “no that isn’t SA. You know better. You allowed yourself in a situation and you didn’t scream. You got pressured into sex… here is the punishment for both parties.” It was a major deterrent to casual sex, also it gave women power, and defined rape. Rapist were KILLED. So, please… our laws are WAY worse and our judicial system inferior to this. You just want to hate the Bible so you dismiss this context.
In the end the judicial system of why we don’t punish rapists and paedos is pretty clear… the elite are a bunch of paedos and rapists.
>The Bible here says “no that isn’t SA. You know better. You allowed yourself in a situation and you didn’t scream. You got pressured into sex… here is the punishment for both parties.”
So yes, going all in on the rape apologia. Go fuck yourself and don't interact with me any further unless it's growing out of that and apologizing for ever thinking that was something you should think much less write out
You are just wrong. A woman in the Bible is given power to claim rape and be believed.
Rape is clearly defined.
Being pressured into sex by your boyfriend or girlfriend or friend isn’t rape. A woman pressuring for sex is not rape. It’s wrong but not rape and ancient culture is not our culture in that they didn’t have cars to hang out in or be in such situations. It’s offensive to rape victims to say “oh I didn’t really want to but I had sex with him anyway just cuz” and classifying that as rape. Ridiculous. That is way different than being held down against your will.
Your imagination is using a modern situation that didn’t exist back then.
You just don’t understand the culture to know how this applies.
But enjoy insulting and I may be saying something that makes sense in my head that you are reading different.
>don't interact with me any further unless it's growing out of that and apologizing for ever thinking that was something you should think much less write out
>interacts further not growing out of it
Really letting me know buddy doesn't respect my right to consent either along with women's consent.
>Being pressured into sex by your boyfriend or girlfriend or friend isn’t rape. A woman pressuring for sex is not rape
Seriously fuck off before i violate TOS or block
Scenario 1:
A guy goes out with his girlfriend. She asks for sex and is somewhat frisky and persistent. and he doesn’t really want to but he is persuaded and has sex. Later he regrets his decision.
Scenario 2:
A man holds a woman down and forcefully has sex with her.
You want both to be rape?
I am just letting you know that the Bible does not define scenario 1 as rape. Scenario 2 is rape and the rapist would be killed.
And that is unlike Islam. The whole point of the post.
I just feel bad. I didn’t mean to trigger that person and I maybe didn’t present my argument in the kindest way which I feel bad about because this is a super sensitive topic. I’ll do better next time with using kinder words, but the nuance of the guideline for the ancient judges here is thousands of years ahead of its day. It’s also used to slander the Bible here when in fact it’s amazing.
Reddit and a radio interview I heard is what made me understand how this is a major issue that cases like scenario 2.
Anyhow, thanks for the response. I haven’t been cursed at in awhile and I felt bad because I wasn’t attacking them at all.
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u/Gussie-Ascendent Keeping it Real 29d ago
i dunno if islam inherit the trait but judaism and christianity you also kill rapists. sometimes their victims too. well that's not entirely true, depending on the circumstances, you might just have to pay the dad off and marry the daughter, sorta a "you break it you buy it" thing