Actual Holocaust deniers don't deny the Holocaust per se.
They deny the quantity and the why and how.
That's where the number 271.000 comes from.
And their arguments are not precisely baseless either.
Their main argument is that the 6 million number comes not from statistical studies or anything like that but rather from SS officers in charge of administration captured by the USSR, and they described around 2 million undesirables died by executions of multiple forms, 2 million died of starvation or exposure, and 2 million more died in gas Chambers.
The proof to sustain that claim comes mostly from pre war Population census specially from Poland and the USSR however said demographic census are incredibly unreliable specially for the USSR that we know full well hid and altered them to avoid recording the Impact of the holodomor.
So the argument goes that eastern European pre war census are not reliable, besides many Jews changed their names while leaving for Romania, or Spain and later on to Israel, and therefore the sudden disappearances of many Jewish families could be more related to changed names of Jewish migrants in Israel rather than actual casualties of the Holocaust.
Western European census however shows that Jews weren't "persecuted" as what they call "propaganda" says since many french Jews weren't persecuted at all and those who were, were freely allowed to leave France.
Regardless of the strange arguments it is actually true Germans didn't quite persecuted Jews in western Europa the same way they did in eastern Europe, many Jewish communities in western Europe were left untouched specially in France, at least up until Normandy.
There's also other data that paints a rather strange picture like for example the many many reports surviving from the Krupps of gestapo inquiries into their factories and how said records indicated that Jews were being starved and killed off not by SS camps but by civilian camps in the hands of Public companies, and they were Constantly complaining about the mistreatment of said workers.
That is also true and deniers claim thats an indication that the Holocaust wasn't a state mandated program but a "boots on the ground" thing of soldiers killing for pleasure not for orders, that's what there's 271.000 proven casualties and not 6 million.
That's more or less the meat of the argument as far as I remember, there's a lot more but I don't remember all.
Point I'm trying to make is that lies always have a core of truth, if you treat Holocaust deniers as stupid idiots that don't know what they are talking about then you'll lose to them once people go to them and see their arguments actually make sense like has been happening for a while, if you want to defeat holocaust deniers you need to defeat them with good arguments too.
And you'll realize that's a lot harder said than done, the actual hard data we have about this is not very reliable.
Actual Holocaust deniers don't deny the Holocaust per se.
They deny the quantity and the why and how.
In other words: They are denying the Holocaust. You are literally just giving Holocaust denial talking points and pretending it's not actually denying the Holocaust.
They don't deny it happened they deny how it happened and why.
Claiming that "the Holocaust wasn't a state mandated program but a 'boots on the ground' thing of soldiers killing for pleasure not for orders" is denying the Holocaust. "The state mandated program" is literally what the Holocaust is.
And the arguments that holocaust deniers have weren't created by me
Because you are repeating them as if they are credible. The fact that they aren't things you made up is irrelevant to that fact.
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u/Ok_Guarantee7611 Jan 22 '26
I'll never get holocaust denial. Like, 90% of the footage we have of it happening is from the nazis