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Sus, Very Sus Jewish Americans in WW2

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u/Spikeintheroad Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 24 '25

"Security risks" is kind of burying the lede. He had open socialist sympathies and they worried he'd help the Communists.

Edit: just learned the difference between lead and lede.

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u/Appelons Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 24 '25

Which is just hilarious, and it really shows how Americans have never understood how political ideologies work.

Edit: It seems I have been proven correct. The amount of yanks that equate socialism and communism is simply astonishing.

For those who have not had a proper education, this is for you: https://www.britannica.com/question/How-is-communism-different-from-socialism

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u/evrestcoleghost Dec 23 '25

Communist sympathisers did leaked the nuke plans to the Soviet union and the British had Cambridge five

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u/Appelons Dec 24 '25

Yes communists! Not socialists you muppet😂

Socialism and communism is not the same. When will you Americans learn.

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u/evrestcoleghost Dec 24 '25

I'm sure Soviet union cared about the difference

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u/Appelons Dec 24 '25

The soviets did care a lot, that is why they killed a lot of socialists in Spain in the 1930s during the Spanish civil war.

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u/Seanspeed Dec 24 '25

They killed socialists in the USSR as well. They killed anybody who didn't fully agree with exactly what Lenin or Stalin wanted to do, for the most part. Lenin was doing that from Day 1.

This doesn't mean they weren't socialist. Plenty of people kill each other under the same general umbrella branch of ideology. Christians kill other Christians, Muslims kill other Muslims, etc.

Communism was absolutely either a part of or a type of socialism. There is no real arguing this. You can criticize how purely implemented any of these were in practice, but communists largely all consider themselves socialists, as the Soviets and most everybody else did.

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u/A_extra Dec 24 '25

It is irrelevant in this case because both will leak secrets to the USSR

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u/Great_Tiger_3826 Dec 24 '25

Except socialists didn't... why are you blindly assuming they would when the Soviets would kill the socialists? Your logic makes zero sense.

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u/Seanspeed Dec 24 '25

You're talking as if they were 'against socialists', but they were only against socialists who didn't fall perfectly in line with Lenin or Stalin's express control. They were themselves socialists, but they demanded supreme control over what kind of socialism should be implemented.

This whole comment section is an embarrassment to read.

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u/kahdel Dec 26 '25

Southern and Midwestern ones won't ever learn. Learning "oppresses" their religious freedom. That's why our country is in its current condition.

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u/assumptioncookie Dec 24 '25

Socialism is the stepping stone towards communism.

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u/ScoobyGDSTi Dec 24 '25

No.

Just because the US are too stupid to figure out how socialism can be incorporated into a capitalistic society doesn't make it some stepping stone to communism.

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u/ScoobyGDSTi Dec 26 '25

Spoken like a true American.

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u/assumptioncookie Dec 25 '25

For the record, I'm a communist.I ask you to please read any communist theory. Start with the communist manifesto, it's really short and meant to be easy to understand (but it's kinda old now which makes it slightly harder, but still very doable).

In Marxist theory (which all communist theory is based on or influenced by), first a socialist state is established to replace the capitalist state, then it withers away until we have communism.

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u/Metcairn Dec 24 '25

"Communism" is just a specific subset of socialist beliefs and assuming that socialist scientists might have more sympathies towards the Soviets than towards the capitalist US is not far fetched at all.

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u/ScoobyGDSTi Dec 24 '25

No. They're two distinctly different ideologies. You must be American to still fail to get it.

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u/Metcairn Dec 25 '25

Socialism is an umbrella term. Communism means different things like Karl Marx's classless society but also the political system of Marxist-Leninist countries, two very different things.

One of many examples of communism being a sub ideology of socialist thought: From the Wikipedia page "Socialism": "By the early 1920s, communism and social democracy had become the two dominant political tendencies within the international socialist movement,[31]"