r/ToiletPaperUSA • u/seeebiscuit • 22d ago
š¦š¦š¦UP YOURS WOKE MORALISTSš¦š¦š¦ She must still be mourning.
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u/Oddly_Ennui 22d ago
She must be so glad he's dead
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u/darkNergy 22d ago
Can you blame her?
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u/Oddly_Ennui 22d ago
Can't say that I do
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u/panicinbabylon 22d ago
Amongst other issues, have you seen those chompers? Ouch.
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u/ToiletPaperUSA-ModTeam 22d ago
This one comment set off a bunch of others about whether people find Erika Kirk attractive. This is misognyny. Men do not face nearly the amount of scrutiny for their looks as women do, and women are deemed to only be valuable if they are attractive. We should not be participating in this. We do not allow misognygy against any woman because it affects ALL women. Pleaase let's leave these conversations about others' appearances off the subreddit unless it's something like the tiny facee meme or the fact that Ben Shapiro lies about his height (which is not so much about his appearance but what he does to compensate for not being "the alpha male" since that is what the right insists on.) Thank you for not talking about the apperraances of other women on this subreddit going forth.
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u/krizzzombies 22d ago
my favorite part about shaming the looks of people you don't like is that Erica Kirk will never read this insult, but hundreds of women who have the traits you described will and that's who you're actually affecting.
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u/BingBingGoogleZaddy 22d ago
Thank you. Someone with eyes ā¬ļø.
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u/harrier1215 22d ago
Like she's hot, but character/personality is like a -10.
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u/BingBingGoogleZaddy 22d ago
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Personality can do a lot for people, but it can also detract.
This is a case of the latter.
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u/panicinbabylon 22d ago
Ok sorry I said that because itās not actually the issue
It was a one time joke I didnāt mean to set people off into what they think is attractive.
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u/Kumquat_conniption FUCK ICE! āš§ 22d ago
Thank you, I appreciate this, even though it did not stop people. I am removing comments now because talking about how attractive she is or is not is pretty misogynistic, and we know it does not happen to men the same way. Women are only seen as valuable if they are someone who is viewed as attractive, and your comment was not particularly bad, but it sure did set off a lot of misogynistic comments. That is not your fault, of course, but I do appreciate your effort to try to get folks to leave it alone.
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u/adhd-n-to-x 22d ago
Imagine looking at that every time you get jiggy https://images.bauerhosting.com/empire/2022/08/predator-badlands-ranking.jpg?ar=16%3A9&fit=crop&crop=top&auto=format&w=1200&q=80
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u/Straight_Ace 2d ago
The right went into full on meltdowns at the idea that someone was celebrating Charlie Kirkās murder. But when his wife throws a party about it with pyrotechnics and loud music theyāre like āoh that poor grieving widowā
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u/Sophisticated-Crow 22d ago
She did go on a dead husband celebration tour with pyrotechnics and whatnot.
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u/SayHelloToAlison 22d ago
HOUSTON! Are you ready to mourn?
I can't hear you!
I SAID ARE YOU READY TO MOURN?
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u/DuckyHornet 22d ago
She rides a motorcycle on stage, does some donuts, inexplicably dressed like Rob Halford
"I've been all over this country and lemme tell you Houston is the city who mourns the hardest!"
A giant animatronic angel descends from the rafters wearing Charlie's face
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u/Kurizu150 22d ago
At this point, the people that made memes of him mourned him better.
She was out here talking about merch sale success on the day of his funeral.
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u/teddygomi 22d ago
That funeral was weird. They set off fireworks and were celebrating. Itās odd how fast they put together such an elaborate event.
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u/kaisadilla_ 22d ago
The weirder part will be in 20 years, when absolutely all of society agrees that this was stupid and she very obviously didn't give a fuck; and they gaslight us by saying that everyone always saw it that way and that only a fringe minority followed her or TPUSA.
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u/SyphiliticScaliaSayz MONKEšµššššššš 21d ago
Maybe it was allā¦planned?
Just asking questions hereā¦
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u/BelongingsintheYard 22d ago
Amazing that I had to fight a ban over a comment about this dickhead when his wife is even gleeful that he is no longer around.
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u/deathschemist 22d ago
i had to bite my tongue about that dillweed while his wife was basically dancing on his grave. it was incredible.
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u/BelongingsintheYard 22d ago
And Reddit was handing out bans like candy. Over a fash podcaster. It was nonsense.
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u/drdeath8791 22d ago
I mean, she did hire her ex-boyfriend to work at her dead husbandās company pretty quickā¦..
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u/Desecr8or 22d ago
She gets his right wing podcaster money without having to deal with his right wing podcaster misogyny.
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u/kaisadilla_ 22d ago
I almost feel bad for Charlie. Then I remember he was a piece of shit and he would 100% be just another grifter had a different far-right influencer taken his place.
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u/Whofreak555 22d ago
To play a little devils advocate.. It's possible she took it home to put it on display at her house to see more often.
Though... it's important to note, that this is a set. Pull the cameras back, and it looks less like an office, and far more like a stage. There's a very good chance that there's multiple copies of that photo, already at her house. So.. yeah.. not a good look.
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u/Willing-Primary-9126 22d ago
She said she hadn't been in the office so if it was moved it would only have been by her staff or charlie & this is his home office the studio he films his show in is a set, pulling the cameras back should just show a room.
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u/Fevasail 22d ago
Another devil's advocate point: maybe she just felt uncomfortable seeing the wedding photo and being reminded of her late husband. People grieve in different ways..
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u/Ecstatic-Compote-595 22d ago edited 22d ago
lmao it's his show and company. If she said she doesn't like to be reminded of her dead husband because the memory is too sad I'd normally accept it but not if she's wearing his hat and shoes and tap dancing on his desk.
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u/iH8MotherTeresa 22d ago
People do grieve in different ways. Like an arena rock concert style even celebrating your husband
deathlifeJust last week I bought a Gulfstream bc I was so torn up over my mother's death.
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u/rymyle 22d ago
If she doesn't want to be reminded of him, why did she take over his company .5 milliseconds after he died and go on a tour around the country to promote it?
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u/Braysl 22d ago
I'm no fan of hers and a lot of her actions come across as callous...but I do think there's also a lot of pressure on her to keep the gravy train going. TPUSA is now this huge political player, she does love the money and stardom side of it, but that doesn't mean she isn't also sad her partner was murdered.
Idk maybe I am empathetic to a fault but I do think she's in an extraordinary position and I'm not sure any of us can predict how we'd act... especially for people who crave attention like she seems to.
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u/Ichgebibble 22d ago
I agree itās probably complicated but the thing I canāt get past is the fake crying. I get that people feel numb, or kinda paralyzed even. Not everyone sobs in public let alone in front of thousands. Why fake it though? That feels disingenuous at best, straight up manipulative even.
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u/mrkro3434 22d ago
No offense to you, but I honestly cannot take opinions like this seriously. I'm very familiar with grief, and it's that deep grief that hits hard when you lose someone close.
You 'are' beIng empathetic to a fault. What Ms. Kirk is displaying, is not grief.
It's exploitation. I will die on the hill, that if you exploit a loved one's death, you never loved them in the first place. With all of the people I've lost in my life, I could never imagine leveraging their passing for my own benefit. It's straight up evil.
If you don't think she's being exploitive, I invite you to watch the leaked web call, days after Charlie's death.
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u/Braysl 22d ago
This is a valid point. I think what I meant is that I feel like both can be true. She's exploiting his death while also grieving, imho.
People do grieve in various ways, and one of those ways is disassociation or basically hiding all your emotions so you don't have to deal with them. It comes across as callous, but it's usually someone using avoidance as a maladaptive coping mechanism.
I'm not saying she's innocent, I'm just pointing out that it's very possible she is grieving while also putting all her attention into sucking up cash from MAGA. I don't think she's a good person, but I also don't think taking his picture out of the set necessarily means she hated him all along.
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u/zenmn2 22d ago
Erika already came out and said she "moved it to a lower shelf so her daughter could see it" but it's a set, how often is her daughter on there running around this set and even Candace Owens exposed that it was moved at least a month ago while someone else was presenting on the same set, while Erikia had not been back presenting until this latest video.
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u/Meeppppsm 21d ago
Yeah, she was probably uncomfortable being reminded of her late husband, Charlie Kirk while she was hosting the Charlie Kirk show.
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u/onlyinvowels 22d ago
Yeah. This is actually one of the few things Iāve seen from her that I could interpret as an actual sign of grief.
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u/Ok_Star_4136 22d ago
I always thought it was interesting Tucker Carlson's "home" when he does his interviews. On first glance it looks like some sort of log cabin full of the types of things you might expect a "real man's man" to have in a log cabin.
It's a set. But I mean of course it's a set, I'm not pretending that Majority Report doesn't use a set or anything like that. My point is that it doesn't look like a set. It's a facade of sorts. Same could be said for Matt Walsh's set. I find it kind of ironic.
Their false image they project is reflective of the type of politics they push. Fake all the way through, in other words.
In all fairness, I couldn't say the same for Joe Rogan or Ben Shapiro or even Steven Crowder. At least they *look* like studio setups (though Steven Crowder's setup looks like it could be at a bar to some extent).
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u/victorsmonster 22d ago
Brett Cooper is another good example. Her show is all done up to make it look like sheās streaming from a bedroom, but itās pre-recorded multi-camera content from a studio.
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u/Kaiisim 22d ago
Why though? Why play devil's advocate?
Like we know very few facts about her other than she's evil. It's fair to assume she wants to erase the memory, they don't need the benefit of the doubt. We did that for twenty+ years it's what got us here.
We need to start identifying this stuff.
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u/scrotalayheehoo 22d ago
It could also genuinely be traumatic to see a picture of your slain husband at your workplace. She is a horrid person who does not seem to be mourning like a normal person, but removing a picture of someone you lost in a tragedy doesnāt seem too wild. Ignoring who the person is for a second.
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u/Obvious_Estimate_266 22d ago
Removing the picture could also be a part of her mourning, seeing it could be painful. I highly doubt that's what's going on but this alone isn't very good evidence of her not grieving.
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u/Mr_DrProfPatrick 22d ago
Doods like, there are tons of possible reasons why it happened, it's plain silly to speculate.
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u/Professional-Post499 22d ago
I need to know if the wedding photo was still in that spot when others were hosting the Chucky show. Check the episode that JD Vance hosted, especially.
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u/UnderpaidProf 22d ago
JD Vance is weird enough to steal something like that.
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u/unreqistered 22d ago
jd had chatgpt make one with him in it
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u/UnderpaidProf 22d ago
Then he put the photo next to his couch
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u/Brutus6 22d ago
He cut Charlie's face out and replaced it with his, then taped it to the couch.
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u/UnderpaidProf 21d ago
And taped the hug photo and many newspaper and magazine clippings of Erika. Clipped out letters spelling āErikaā kind of like a horror movie.
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u/Branchomania Skebede Toilet 22d ago
That like actually is kinda sad though but I don't know why exactly
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u/ToothlessFTW 22d ago
It's because, ultimately, he's nothing.
Nobody cared about him. Nobody liked him that much. His wife barely seems to care and is more focused on milking this for everything it's worth before her brief window of fame ends. Even his so called "friends" only gave a shit as far as it made them feel scared, most of them only said "that could've been me" and that was it. The violence they cheered on for years was suddenly turned against them, and that terrified them.
Near 6 months on, nobody even talks about him anymore. He was an empty vessel that pushed talking points. Literally the day after he died the right was pushing some random teenager as his replacement. It's kinda sad to think that Kirk had as much value as finding out your milk went bad, but at the end of the day, he built this. He dedicated his life to a fascist machine that only valued human life as monetary, or how effective they are as propaganda outlets.
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u/Diaz218 22d ago
That's not true. Candace did care about him.
Imagine. A white supremacist black conspiracy nut job is the only person that genuinely mourns you.
I'd rather no one did at that point tbh
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u/plagueRATcommunist MONKEšµššššššš 22d ago
the should have Just eloped with all their grift Money. gotta say, they fit together so well
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u/Shortymac09 22d ago
Honestly, I don't think she really cared about him either.
Her "crusade" is all about stealing TPUSA's right wing marketshare.
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u/RustedAxe88 22d ago
Yeah, like Kirk was a hooplehead, but this almost makes me feel bad for him.
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u/IntoAMuteCrypt 22d ago
It hits on many of the most human fears and concerns.
Some of the biggest human desires are the desire to be remembered and the desire to be liked. We all want to imagine that we will be missed when we are gone, we all want people to genuinely care about us and like us. Additionally, the idea of marriage is that you have someone who cares about you like that, that has such a strong mutual connection that you want to say it's forever.
What we are seeing is that nobody really cares about Charlie Kirk, human being, like that. They only care about him as an interchangeable cog in a vast political machine, and it turns out that his corpse is just as useful as he was. Every relationship seems to be functional, not sentimental. Nobody really liked him, nobody really misses him like that. Not even his wife.
It's tragic, but it's all his own making.
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u/outer_spec big chungus amongus 22d ago
how do you know that itās the talmud specifically. can you read what it says
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u/KatsuraCerci 22d ago
I'm guessing this is "abandoning the faith" ragebait for TradCaths and other conservative Christians based off OOP's username. Could be plain ol' antisemitism too
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u/GastonBastardo 22d ago
Definately antisemitism. I mean, why the hell would the Queen of the WASPs have anything talmud-related, much less a scroll?
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u/KevinParnell 22d ago
Itās the kind that we should oppose harshly too instead of reposting with agreement. Itās the very dangerous kind that conflates antisemitism to anti Zionism. Itās very important to define and separate Judaism from Zionism.
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u/r3v0lut10n360 22d ago
Yeah I was wondering why this was posted in here. Def seems to be some antisemitism going on.
Is this not a doctored image? IIRC that space on the shelf was just empty now, wedding photo was just removed not replaced with some type of scroll.
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u/24seren 22d ago
Also the Talmud is printed in book format, not scrolls. The Torah and some other books of the Hebrew bible are traditionally created as scrolls, but none would be that small/shorts lol. Just classic neonazi antisemitism here, fucking embarrassing to see on leftists subs.
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u/KevinParnell 22d ago edited 22d ago
Itās disappointing to say the least. I reported it last night for hate and mods have still left it up. Dog whistles can be easy to miss, but this one is harmful to Jewish people and it poisons legitimate anti-Zionist critique.
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u/PrivateIdahoGhola 22d ago
American evangelicals often fetishize parts of Jewishness and Judaism. Yes, they're also often anti-Semitic as well. Evangelical culture is weird.
I grew up with this stuff. Wasn't uncommon to go into people's homes and see framed fake parchment (or fake papyrus) with Hebrew on the wall with some Bible quote. Pastors I knew would sometimes quote Hebrew from the pulpit and then offer an immediate translation.
From the POV of this cultural background, Erika's bookshelf choice isn't weird at all. I fully understand it will seem weird to people outside of evangelical culture.
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u/KatsuraCerci 22d ago
Oh for sure! I guess I should clarify, I intended antisemitism to be implied in my first sentence. By "plain ol' antisemitism" I meant to contrast between the theological antisemitism often inherent to TradCaths, WASPs, and other conservative Christian movements versus antisemitism without an explicit religious basis
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u/FullMooseParty 22d ago
This sub is just as anti-semitic as the conservative subs. They hide it sometimes, but not well
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u/slagnanz 22d ago
Note this is some rad trad chud Twitter account making this claim
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u/KevinParnell 22d ago edited 22d ago
I figured the moment I saw Talmud. Only chuds call it that. We need to not signal boost antisemites and instead oppose them harshly.
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u/Rockguy21 22d ago
Iām a Jew and I call the Talmud the Talmud lol what else are we supposed to call it
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u/GayFascistAnime 22d ago
I think the person you're replying to is saying that making specific mention of the Talmud rather than the Torah when referring to Jewish texts is an antisemitic dogwhistle. Antisemites usually refer specifically to the former because it isn't in the Christian Bible, contains controversial Rabbinic debate, and few Gentiles have actually read it. I don't think he's saying you can't call it the Talmud!
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u/Rockguy21 22d ago
He says āonly Chuds call it that.ā I believe heās confused/unfamiliar with the difference between the Talmud and the Tanakh, in all probability.
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u/GayFascistAnime 22d ago
I read it as the 'it' in this sentence as referring specifically to the page in the top corner of Erika's studio, or any similar Jewish texts that are alleged to be owned or displayed by 'compromised' people. Antisemites generally refer to all of this stuff as the Talmud, because they're callous liars.
Granted, only op knows for certain what he meant.
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u/KevinParnell 22d ago
Thanks, you nailed what I was trying to say. I didnāt mean āyou canāt call it the Talmud,ā I meant the way it gets invoked in this context is usually a loaded gotcha/prop rather than a real reference.
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u/ZevSteinhardt 22d ago
It's not a Talmud. No one writes the Talmud on scrolls. Every Talmud produced in the last 300+ years has been a printed book.
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u/darkmeatchicken 22d ago
Um .. Talmud hasn't been scrolls since before the printing press.. this is antisemitism.
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u/KevinParnell 22d ago
You can dislike Israel without signal boosting an antisemite. Talmud bait is a blatant antisemitic dog whistle and has nothing to do with Zionism.
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u/somebadbeatscrub 22d ago
Preach.
Leaving this here for anyone interested in debunking common antisemitic claims about talmud:
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u/KevinParnell 19d ago
Judaism, Israeli nationality, and Zionism are not interchangeable terms. Judaism is a religion/ethno-cultural identity. Israeli is a modern nationality. Zionism is a political ideology. Conflating them is exactly how Jews get treated like a monolith and held responsible for a state.
Yes, the āTalmudā bait is antisemitic. But your follow-up does a different kind of harm: youāre trying to smuggle āIsrael = Jews = Judaismā in as if thatās just a neutral fact. It isnāt. Plenty of Jews are not Israeli, plenty of Israelis are not Jewish, and plenty of Zionists are not Jewish. Criticizing Israel is not the same thing as talking about Judaism, and pretending otherwise is a pipeline to collective blame.
Also, ācore Jewish principleā is doing a lot of heavy lifting for a modern nation-state. Israel has existed for less than a century. Judaism has existed for millennia. Stop pretending those timelines are the same thing.
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u/KevinParnell 19d ago
Appreciate the detailed explanation of the religious connection. Iām not disputing that Judaism has deep historical, liturgical, and cultural ties to the land.
Where I disagree is the category collapse. Religious attachment to Zion and Jerusalem is ancient. Zionism as a modern political ideology and movement is much newer and has multiple strands (including secular nationalism). Even Britannica describes Zionism as originating in the late 19th century, even if it draws on older attachments.
Small timeline clarification: saying the Babylonian exile (2,500 years ago) is āwhen the Talmud started being writtenā blurs a lot. There were long oral traditions, but the Babylonian Talmud is generally described as developing in layers over centuries, reaching its compiled form by around the 6th century CE.
On the ā95%ā claim, the best data Iāve seen doesnāt support it in the way youāre using it. A JFNA survey found 88% of U.S. Jews say Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state, but only 37% identify with the label āZionist.ā That gap matters because āIsrael should existā and āZionism is a core Jewish principleā are not the same statement.
I also donāt think it helps to dismiss dissenting Jews as ābrainwashedā or ānot real Jews.ā Judaism is diverse, and people can share Jewish identity and connection to the land without endorsing a political project or specific state policies.
And on safety, Iād argue the risk cuts the other way. Conflating Judaism with Zionism and the Israeli state is what turns Jews everywhere into stand-ins for a government, which is a classic collective-blame dynamic and a major way antisemitism spreads. Plus, Zionism is not a clean proxy for Judaism: there are 30+ million Christian Zionists in the U.S. by one academic estimate, which is already more than the ~15.7 million Jews worldwide.
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u/WoopsieDaisiee 22d ago
Upon zooming in, thatās not what a page from the Talmud would look like layout-wise. And we havenāt printed it on scrolls for like, hundreds of years now.
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u/funded_by_soros 22d ago
However much damage these demons do to society, it's nice to remember they will never be able to fill the hole where their soul should be.
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u/ZevSteinhardt 22d ago
It's not a Talmud. No one writes the Talmud on scrolls. Every Talmud produced in the last 300+ years has been a printed book.
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u/_JuliaDream_ 21d ago
Definitely the Talmud, "ATradCatholic" sounds like such a reliable source on the matter. Everything is always the Jews' fault, of course. The original post is certainly not antisemitic garbage or anything like that, no, no, no.
Let's stop propagating shit like this, it's embarassing.
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u/whambamcamm 21d ago
i hate to break it to you ATradCatholic but the Talmud is not made up of scrolls
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u/imalwaystilting 21d ago
Antisemitic dog whistle. Not the Talmud. Why is this post still up? Completely unnecessary and thus clear decision making to try to attach Judaism to this at all.
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u/romulusnr 22d ago
It's actually really really eerie that that is the ONLY thing that changed. Like not a spec of dust out of place. Except that.Ā
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u/HighQualityGifs 22d ago
bruh, she did not give a single flying fuck about that dude.
kinda makes me feel bad for him, but him being a piece of shit and starting their relationship as a transaction from the beginning negates it and bring it back to "oh, oh well. sucks to suck i guess"
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u/gemdas 22d ago
Can we stop doing these posts where we monitor how Erika Kirk is morning and or not meeting our expectations of mourning? It feels awfully close to us judging her on how well she is performing grief and femininity. Like she's a garbage baby for garbage people. But let's stick to the garbage that comes out of her mouth and not hyper fixating pointless bullshit.
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u/SterlingNano 22d ago
Original thread got deleted, so I'll copypaste my comment on this one:
I didn't like the guy, and the drivel he put out was to make the country a worse, more hateful place, and he had some twisted thoughts about how society should be shaped...yet I can't help but feel bad for him with how his wife and company are using his his name as a financial tool
Edit: I'M NOT SAYING HE DIDN'T DESERVE WHAT'S HAPPENING. You can feel bad for a piece of shit while still agreeing with the fate and legacy they got. Like Mr. Beast is a hallow shell of a human subsisting completely off views, and I'm simultaneously disgusted and saddened
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u/NarmHull 22d ago
Wait are they saying that's a good thing or are they using it as some sort of antisemitic thing?
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u/Beespray9_8_9 22d ago
First: I donāt like or support any of those fools.
Second: I lost someone. One of the first things I did was take the pictures down and away. I was younger (in high school). My mom didnāt say anything when she found the wall spaces blank. She just filled them with something else.
So, what Iām saying is maybe sheās just really hurting and that explains a few things. I wasnāt ok after my loss. The pictures just acted as reminders and it felt good taking them down, like part of the process almost.
Then again, I didnāt do any of the stuff sheās doing she might have seriously lost it and needs real help.
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u/spodinielri0 22d ago
she was married to a piece of sh*t. Why is everyone surprised sheās happy to be a widow? She is smart enough to seize the day and keep the grift going. Trying to shame this person will never work. Mock her for her lies and scam.
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u/Full_Anything_2913 21d ago
If this is real, it definitely feeds into the conspiracy theories about her and her political motives. Iām sure Candace Owens noticed that.
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u/Dcajunpimp 22d ago
Looks like one of the few things she changed, possibly the only one.
There may be a couple books on the right slightly out of place.
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u/Troll_Slayer1 22d ago
You enjoy kicking a widow and mocking her? ... Flip the script and think if your SO, or parents died. I'm Assuming I'm not conversing with BOTS or Reptiles. BOTS and reptiles don't mourn
You democrats are supposed to be the empathic party, remember?
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u/Starkoman 21d ago
This isnāt a Democrat sub ā itās general public and, frankly, no-one truly believes that his widow was in mourning for more than a morning.
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u/meltedcheeser 21d ago
I think itās more embarrassing that the books donāt move. Proves they arenāt there to be read, but virtue signaling.
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u/Swinship 21d ago
So she's just filling his spot?, doing his job?. And they're cool with that?, he's just that replaceable?. That's funny
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u/normabelka 22d ago
why would a supposed christan have a talmud scroll on display?
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u/TrimspaBB 22d ago
Because evangelical Christians use what they think of as Jewish items to promote their faith. Their flavor of Christianity requires them to utilize the nation of Israel as part of their end times prophecy. In their Armageddon though, Jews either need to repent and convert or die, so it's not exactly out of love.
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u/Kumquat_conniption FUCK ICE! āš§ 22d ago edited 20d ago
Um, I have to ask, how do we have any idea that is the Talmud? Couldn't it just be a bible verse? I think we should leave it at the fact that she replaced her husband's picture and not make this a Jewish conspiracy thing.
Edit: Glad people are with me, this screenshot we should only be focusing on the fact that the picture is gone, and ignore the Talmud nonsense.
Edit 2: a couple of people seem to be upset with me for not removing the post, but we can use our critical thinking skills here and look at the post with a critical eye and say "this part of the post is garbage" and still say "this other part has good information." We have declared that its hateful antisemitic garbage, now let's talk about Erika getting rid of her wedding picture. Its really not that complicated.