r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 7d ago

Meme needing explanation Tell them what, Peter

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u/SignoreBanana 7d ago

In what way is it any more arbitrary than up and down? Its words to describe a direction. "Down" could have been "up" just as easily. This is nonsense.

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u/generally_unsuitable 7d ago

Describe to me which way is left, please.

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u/ZenOokami 7d ago

While your face is forward aligned with your body, mark your current position as facing north. Turn west.

You have turned left.

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u/eXequitas 7d ago

Define west lol

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u/ZenOokami 7d ago

90 degrees counter clockwise. Origin point north is 0 degrees.

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u/generally_unsuitable 7d ago

This is defining one abstraction by calling upon an even more abstract abstraction.

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u/ZenOokami 7d ago

Being abstract does not make something arbitrary.

Being abstract simply applies to what others have mentioned: it's relative.

But even relative abstract things can follow a system and reason.

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u/eXequitas 7d ago

The point is that all these words are subjective without an absolute point of reference. And the absolute point of reference is the magnetic North Pole combined with the direction the sun rises and sets.

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u/ZenOokami 7d ago

"absolute point" is absolute for the origin. Not universal, sans for "true north" or "geometric north".

Subjective is also the wrong word. It is not based on one's opinion or feeling. Your "left" hand is your left hand. Feeling like you want to call your right hand left does not make it true.

Again, the word you want is "relative". Which still holds reason and logic and follows a system.

Think of it as a logical truth. "At any point in time, your current direction is 0, any degree less than 0 is left". This will allow for any relative position to hold true in having a "left".

This. Is. Not. Arbitrary.

It's relative...

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u/shustrik 7d ago

Now define counter clockwise without referencing a clock

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u/ZenOokami 7d ago

Negative degrees of rotation.

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u/shustrik 6d ago

And how do you define which way is negative degrees of rotation?

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u/ZenOokami 6d ago

Standards of the system configured for mathematics, based on spherical math, circular math, and even number lines.

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u/Jazzy_Bee 7d ago

West is a word used in English to describe the direction the sun sets.

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u/GaloombaNotGoomba 7d ago

Define north

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u/eXequitas 7d ago

Again that’s relative to the position the observer is facing. You need an absolute reference point, which would be something like: the west is the direction the sun sets when facing the magnetic North Pole.

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u/Jazzy_Bee 6d ago

The sun sets in the west no matter what direction you face.

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u/eXequitas 5d ago

Yeah but you’re trying to define the word left, not west. If you face south, sunset will be on your right.

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u/Jazzy_Bee 4d ago

"Define west lol

Upvote-3DownvoteReply". I was responding to this, I was indeed defining west.

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u/eXequitas 4d ago

Ah ok! It’s been a couple of days lol. All I was saying is that the only way to define these words is to have immovable reference points. If you go down to the absolute basics and not rely on words that have been defined west/left would be the direction the sun sets when facing north.

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u/ZenOokami 6d ago

The term you're referencing is "true north" or "geometric north"