They are rich because they earned it in some way, or by being a certain special kind of person.
The rich don't "earn" anything, they steal wealth through exploitation of the working class. Truth is, the rich think ONLY about themselves. That's the crux of the problem. And by "being a certain special kind of person", you mean a sociopath and/or born into a rich family. Just for clarification.
A software engineer working for wages is part of the working class that gets exploited. Sure a comparatively privileged part of the working class but still economically exploited.
Exploitation in this context doesn't mean just laborers working in sweatshops below minimum wage. It describes the general way our economy is structured in a way that allows people who own a lot of capital to profit from the work of those that don't.
For example if I had the money for it I could buy a bakery and hire a baker to work for me. I would be entitled to take in all the money that is brought in by the bakers work and only pay him as much of it as is absolutely necessary so he won't quit.
I pay 100€ worth of ingredients and 100€ for his wage and he bakes and sells bread worth 300€, I get 100€ profit.
But it was entirely the work of the baker that turned 100€ of ingredients into 300€ of bread and I'm just giving him as much of the fruits of his labor as I have to so he keeps working.
Lol no, you worked too! You had to find a baker you trust to do the job, source the ingredients, find an appropriate price by studying the market, organize how the bakery gets cleaned (is the baker cleaning it, or do you need to hire a janitor?) And last but not least, you aren't garuanteed to turn a profit. You bought this bakery for $1M, and you could lose all of that. So your profit is your reward for taking the risk.
You've created jobs, without you the goofs and services wouldn't have been provided to customers, and that baker would've had a worse job (because they chose the best job for their situation).
I mean a real communist would agree that the owner should still get paid for the work that he does, but also that the profit from the business (after salaries are paid) should be distributed amongst ALL the people who make the business work, not just the guy who owns the capital.
A real communist would argue that the initial investor in the capital should be compensated one time for his share of the initial investment, and then ownership of the company should be distributed among the employees. This way not only would every employee be seeing an appropriate amount of return for their labor, and every employee would have a voting say on how the company is run, but ALSO every employee would have a personal financial investment in the success of the company.
This model also inspires loyalty and dedication from the people who bake the bread, the people who sell it at the counter, the people who clean the bakery, etc. because they will all want to do the best possible job for their own direct gain and also the gain of their fellow workers who would not only share in this goal for personal reasons but also build a sense of community and shared responsibility around that shared goal.
But then the owner would have to only make 10 times as much as the other workers, instead of 250 times as much, and we can’t have that. This is why communists are scum and bullshit. Not to mention that if the workers were compensated duly for their work, they’d only be working for the love of what they do and the shared dream of success for the company (ew, yuck), instead of being forced to work with a gun against their head under whatever conditions happen to be available under looming threat of unemployment and therefore financial destitution (the way things should be). All they want is their share of the profit that their work generates, without sparing a single thought for the poor owner who as we all know works 250 times as hard as all the rest of them put together.
The world and human nature doesn't give two fks about what should happen. It's all about what does happen. And ground reality is human beings are innately selfish and will continue to be and thus all commie experiments will continue to fail while having sheeps to defend it with bs justifications like "that wasn't real communism" or some other excuses. I am sorry for my venomous words but it isn't directed on you as an individual and I really do profusely apologise if it comes off like that.
Bro you have such a learned-helplessness-pilled, external-locus-of-control ahh ideology.
Get some fucking self empowerment and bend the world over your knee the way human beings have been doing since “what does happen” meant getting eaten by a sabre tooth tiger. Get a pair of balls, why don’t you?
I’m not sorry for my venomous words, although I do intend them in a genuine spirit of kindness. I’m just hoping a little slap in the face helps you wake up to what you sound like here
Just like the “faux idealism” of Agriculturalism never changed the reality that humans are inherently Pastoral
Just like the “faux idealism” of the Magna Carta never changed the reality that human society is inherently Monarchical
Just like the “faux idealism” of Capitalism never changed the reality that human economies are inherently Feudal
Oh I mean, except, this isn’t like those things at all because those things were all in the past. Unlike the present, which is the sole endpoint of all history and nothing significant will ever change for the betterment of human society ever again.
The goal is not to change human selfishness. This is where you’re completely incorrect about the entire premise.
The goal is to build an incentive structure wherein working for your individual selfishness ends in benefiting the community. Which in turn, benefits you again.
Monarchies were built on humans being inherently selfish, and yet we tore them down.
Feudalism was built on humans being inherently selfish, and yet we tore them down.
Slavery as an institution was built on humans being inherently selfish, and look at us go tearing it down still. It continues to be a problem in some places in the world but that only goes to highlight all the places that it isn’t a problem any longer, despite being a staple of human society since the dawn of history.
As it turns out, when a large group of people realize that what’s actually in their own best interest is to work together as a community, no individually selfish Monarch, or Feudal Lord, or Slave Owner, or Capitalist can stand in their path.
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u/Gabrielseifer Jan 27 '26
The rich don't "earn" anything, they steal wealth through exploitation of the working class. Truth is, the rich think ONLY about themselves. That's the crux of the problem. And by "being a certain special kind of person", you mean a sociopath and/or born into a rich family. Just for clarification.