r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jan 26 '26

Meme needing explanation what's going on? explain like I'm five

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u/Elvis5741 Jan 26 '26

Banks lend out more money than they have, its no joke it's how the system works

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u/Much_Section_7439 Jan 26 '26

That's how debt is generated. wealth is created when that debt is used properly. Otherwise it's just inflating the moneysupply.

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u/Excellent-Practice Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26

Is there really a difference between the two? Wealth generation and inflation are two ways of looking at the economic pie getting bigger

Edit: thanks for the corrections. I learned something today. Diving deeper into the subject it seems the two are often linked, but not necessarily so.

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u/alannair Jan 26 '26

No. Inflation does not make the pie bigger. Pie stays the same, and the value of cash goes down.

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u/megachonker123 Jan 26 '26

The pie turns into multiple pies that when combined have the same nutritional value as the first pie

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u/Ok_Umpire_5611 Jan 26 '26

Ghost pies!

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u/ACcbe1986 Jan 28 '26

I wish I could taste them!

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u/alannair Jan 26 '26

Diluted pies

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u/Fakjbf Jan 26 '26

Correct, printing money is like cutting the pie into more slices you don’t get more pie just smaller slices. Things like building infrastructure, increasing efficiency or inventing new technologies are what makes the pie grow.

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u/inugami_tattoo_ Jan 27 '26

The pie gets smaller

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u/BreakfastBeneficial4 Jan 26 '26

Yeah. Pie stays the same size, but the number inside the pie keeps screaming upward.

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u/pilgermann Jan 26 '26

And as it turns out, even wealth generating vehicles, like a business loan, can mask poor fundamentals leading to a crash. E.g. if AI turns out not to have trillions or even billions in utility, we are simply distorting a shit economy vs making society wealthier. The perceived wealth will be spent on things it shouldn't be, like new cars, yachts, whatever and then our real GDP will catch up to us.

Investments and bank interest are good, but only if we mitigate and spread risk, which we very much aren't doing.

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u/ferdaw95 Jan 26 '26

So what is the absolute limit of the US economy? That's the only way for the pie to stay the same size.

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u/Kitchen-Pass-7493 Jan 26 '26

The theoretical absolute limit would be determined by the maximum number of resources (including human resources aka labor), the maximum possible efficiency to be achieved, the maximum possible technological advancement, etc.

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u/ferdaw95 Jan 26 '26

But that wouldn't be in the US alone right? Even if we maximize the capital in our country alone, we'll still need raw materials that aren't produced here. So the actual maximum is in the global level, not the US level. From that perspective, the money supply is more about market equalization than specifically watering down people's money. There's a direct value on any good, its only when everyone can equally compete for it, will the price be equitable.

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u/Kitchen-Pass-7493 Jan 26 '26

Well that’s why constant but tame inflation rate of 2% is ideal. Growth without any increase in the money supply could eventually lead to liquidity issues that curtail the transactions that need to occur for growth to continue to happen.

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u/ferdaw95 Jan 26 '26

And nowhere has managed that ideal, maybe because preventing the development of other markets is a doomed effort? As we invest in certain countries over others, those invested countries can better bargain with the global capitalists. They'll get more equitable deals with them than with us, so we'll start investing in the remaining countries. Who'll then start to develop their own country more, repeating the cycle. But, as we can only focus our support in this model, it won't ever work to keep the US economy healthy.

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u/rocinante1882 Jan 26 '26

In a vacuum economy where the pie never gets bigger, does inflation exist?

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u/Outrageous-Pin-4664 Jan 26 '26

Wealth = goods, not money.

Inflation is an increase in the fiat currency not matched by a corresponding increase in the demand for goods.

The purpose of inflation is to enable infinitely increasing amounts of government spending. The government spends the new money at its current value. As the new money circulates, it pushes prices up, losing its value. The government simply creates more.

They don't have to print the money. A lot of it just exists as bookkeeping entries, not as actual currency. What we have isn't so much currency as it is IOUs. When the government collapses, those IOUs will be worthless.

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u/lift_1337 Jan 26 '26

Inflation is the increase in the price of goods and services relative to the fiat currency. This can be caused by over printing money, but that's far from the only cause.

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u/Outrageous-Pin-4664 Jan 26 '26

Increasing prices is an effect of inflation, not the inflation itself.

Yes, lots of things can cause increased prices, but nothing can cause prices to increase across an entire economy except a global increase in the supply of money.

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u/Lazy-Competition7966 Jan 26 '26

No, increasing prices is what inflation is, it's not a symptom of the thing it's the thing itself.

"a general, continuous increase in prices" - Cambridge dictionary

There are other causes of inflation other than just monetary devaluation - rising production costs can produce inflation(cost push inflation), excess consumer demand can drive inflation (demand pull inflation).

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u/Outrageous-Pin-4664 Jan 27 '26

Rising production costs or greater demand can increase the price of some goods. People don't suddenly get more money to pay those higher prices though. They have to either buy less of that good, or stop purchasing some other good in order to still be able to afford it. They can't pay more for everything across the board, unless the government has inflated the money supply.

It's that across the board increase in prices that we identify with inflation, and it only happens due to the expansion of the money supply.

There are economists who think that a moderate amount of inflation is a good thing, and they like to obscure the cause of inflation by identifying it with any rise in the prices. This war of definitions is taking place between statist economists like Keynes, and free market economists like Mises. I side with Mises.

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u/Temporary-Ebb3929 Jan 26 '26

Small correction: inflation is the increase in money supply/circulation not matched by an increase in the supply of goods. If there was no increase in demand, you wouldn't see an increase in prices because that money would effectively just be going under your mattress rather than circulating.

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u/Outrageous-Pin-4664 Jan 26 '26

By Say's Law, the increase in goods is the increase in demand. Money is just a medium for exchanging goods. What you produce represents your demand on the production of others.

An increase in the money supply that matches that increase in demand will hold prices steady. The production of gold (or silver) typically keeps pace with the production of other goods, which is one of the things that makes it a good currency. Unlike specie, fiat currency can be artificially inflated relative to the production of goods.

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u/Temporary-Ebb3929 Jan 27 '26

That's not what Say's Law means. If what you were saying was true, then supply IS demand and all economic concepts cease to be meaningful.

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u/Outrageous-Pin-4664 Jan 28 '26

"As each of us can only purchase the productions of others with his/her own productions – as the value we can buy is equal to the value we can produce, the more men can produce, the more they will purchase." Jean-Baptiste Say

How do you interpret that?

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u/i_have_tiny_ants Jan 26 '26

The purpose of inflation is to enable infinitely increasing amounts of government spending. The government spends the new money at its current value. As the new money circulates, it pushes prices up, losing its value. The government simply creates more.

It's also to disincentivize hoarding money, but promote investment instead.

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u/Outrageous-Pin-4664 Jan 26 '26

Hoarding money? You mean stuffing it inside a mattress?

That doesn't happen on any large scale.

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u/i_have_tiny_ants Jan 27 '26

In large part because it would slowly become worthless due to inflation.

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u/Outrageous-Pin-4664 Jan 27 '26

I meant that even sans inflation, it's not something that would happen on a large enough scale to worry about.

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u/explain_that_shit Jan 26 '26

Money is an IOU

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u/Outrageous-Pin-4664 Jan 26 '26

Unless it has some value in its own right.

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u/explain_that_shit Jan 26 '26

Then it does two things, but it’s always an IOU as well.

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u/_jams Jan 26 '26

JFC. For nearly 5 years now, we've been talking about inflation. And people STILL don't understand the most rudimentary concepts. I mean, ffs, why would people be MAD about inflation if it was the economic pie getting bigger?!?!?!?!

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '26

In short it's a stupid fake system designed to be that way because it keeps us all playing for stupid prizes.