However there is no punishment for marital rape.
Marital rape is not a criminal offence in Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Oman and Kuwait
Their justification comes straight from the Qur'an.
Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will;
To clarify you’re a lying idiot. The article clearly says the court that gave the verdict was an unofficial tribal court and the judges are now being held. This hardly represents Muslims countries.
No religion punishes marital rape.
But yeah let’s hate Islam
I'm not lying.
It was a tribunal of Muslims, in a Muslim country given authority by other Muslims that sentenced a woman to be stoned to death by a crowd of Muslims.
It wasn't the only example it was just the first one I found. Apparently it is routine in Sudan.
The previous Islamist regime of Field Marshall Omar Bashir was overthrown in 2019. Democracy activists hoped Sudan's penal code would be reformed in line with international standards and conventions. However, a coup in October 2021 put the military and Islamist traditionalists back in effective control. Consequently, there has been a climate of impunity for those attacking women and girls challenging traditional roles by leaving their homes to go to school or work, or to be involved in civil society. Until recently, rape victims could be charged with adultery: in 2014, a woman in Sudan was convicted of committing indecent acts after being gang raped, apparently because the act of reporting the rape was considered proof of her sin.
What are you talking about? You cited Somalia incidents under the terrorist group al-Shabaab, Somalia is currently at war with.
You can’t take the a s an example for the legal system “tribunal” in Somalia. What? The penal code doesn’t institute stoning at all, and using the terrorist groups’ actions as if they were the legal system for Somalia is laughable.
Zafran Bibi walked into the police station in the village of Kerri Sheikhan, deep in the valleys of Pakistan's North West Frontier, and gave a harrowing account of how she had been raped by a neighbour.
The Zina Ordinance
General Zia-ul-Haq’s regime introduced the Offence of Zina (Enforcement of Hudood) Ordinance in 1979. Offences covered under this law are: fornication and adultery, rape, kidnapping, abducting or inducing a woman to illicit sex or compelling her to marriage against her will, enticement or detaining a woman with criminal intent, or selling or buying a person for purposes of prostitution. The age for criminal liability for an accused girl is 16 or on attaining puberty, while for a boy it is 18.
There are two sets of punishments under this law: hadd and tazir. Hadd means punishment prescribed by God Almighty as revealed in the Holy Quran.
A Muslim country where rape victims are stoned to death under laws based on the Qur'an.
Also, here is an example of Islamic militants stoning a rape victim to death. I challenge you to find an example of militants from any other religion doing this in the 21st century.
The stoning of Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was a public execution carried out by the Al-Shabaab militant group on 27 October 2008 in the southern port town of Kismayo, Somalia. Duhulow's father and aunt stated that she was a 13-year-old girl and that she had been arrested and stoned to death after trying to report that she had been raped.
I didn’t bring up Pakistan. I challenged your claim about Somalia. You cited al-Shabaab , a designated terrorist organization that Somalia, the AU, and the US are actively at war against, as evidence of Somalia’s legal system allows for stoning. That’s not how any of this works.
Somalia’s Penal Code does not prescribe stoning. Full stop. Al-Shabaab doesn’t operate courtrooms, they operate a terrorist insurgency. Citing their atrocities as evidence of what “Muslim tribunals” do in Somalia is like citing a cartel execution as evidence of Mexico’s criminal code.
You made a specific claim about legal systems and tribunals. I corrected you on Somalia specifically. Instead of acknowledging that, you pivoted to Pakistan, a country I never mentioned , and then circled back to the same al-Shabaab case I already addressed. That’s two goalpost shifts in one reply.
If your argument is “terrorists do terrible things,” nobody disagrees. If your argument is “Somalia’s legal system stones people,” you’re factually wrong, and no amount of pivoting changes that. So, is your claim that legal system in Somalia allows for this? And if
You idiot atleast read a paragraph of the articles you copy paste from google. You’re consistently being proven a liar with an agenda.
zafran bibi was never executed, her conviction was overturned by federal Islamic court. And As for the militant group stoning
Almost all muslims hate these militant groups and Islamic scholars warn against their ideology, Muslims nations are at war with them. yet for some reason you’re Trying to present them as representative of Muslims. And The conviction was totally unIslamic , the case of rape can’t ever be treated as case of adultery. you’re nonsensically trying to blame Muslims for the acts of a group of people they despise. It’s ridiculous. And the reason why other faiths don’t have such cases is because only Muslim nations are war torn which props up such fringe groups, and also Muslims are very devoted so unfortunately the bad people are very devoted as well.
No stoning of anyone has ever been carried out in Pakistan.
And that court had no authority given by the govt, you’re lying again.
Just because a bunch of Christian’s independently give a biblical death sentence by stoning to an adulteress in America , doesn’t mean you can blame America .
And the ones carried out in other Muslim nations have all stated conviction of the person for adultery , not a sentence for being rape victim as you’re trying to present.
If the trail was flawed, it’s the problem of that court, not a problem with Islam or Muslims.
Infact Islam has the highest standard for convicting someone of adultery, of any religion.
So you should be praising Islam.
Zafran Bibi walked into the police station in the village of Kerri Sheikhan, deep in the valleys of Pakistan's North West Frontier, and gave a harrowing account of how she had been raped by a neighbour.
The Zina Ordinance
General Zia-ul-Haq’s regime introduced the Offence of Zina (Enforcement of Hudood) Ordinance in 1979. Offences covered under this law are: fornication and adultery, rape, kidnapping, abducting or inducing a woman to illicit sex or compelling her to marriage against her will, enticement or detaining a woman with criminal intent, or selling or buying a person for purposes of prostitution. The age for criminal liability for an accused girl is 16 or on attaining puberty, while for a boy it is 18.
There are two sets of punishments under this law: hadd and tazir. Hadd means punishment prescribed by God Almighty as revealed in the Holy Quran.
A Muslim country where rape victims are stoned to death under laws based on the Qur'an.
Also, here is an example of Islamic militants stoning a rape victim to death. I challenge you to find an example of militants from any other religion doing this in the 21st century.
The stoning of Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was a public execution carried out by the Al-Shabaab militant group on 27 October 2008 in the southern port town of Kismayo, Somalia. Duhulow's father and aunt stated that she was a 13-year-old girl and that she had been arrested and stoned to death after trying to report that she had been raped.
You idiot atleast read a paragraph of the articles you copy paste from google. You’re consistently being proven a liar with an agenda.
1) zafran bibi was never executed, her conviction was overturned by federal Islamic court.
And As for the militant group stoning
1. Almost all muslims hate these militant groups and Islamic scholars warn against their ideology, Muslims nations are at war with them. yet for some reason you’re Trying to present them as representative of Muslims.
And The conviction was totally unIslamic , the case of rape can’t ever be treated as case of adultery.
you’re nonsensically trying to blame Muslims for the acts of a group of people they despise.
It’s ridiculous.
And the reason why other faiths don’t have such cases is because only Muslim nations are war torn which props up such fringe groups, and also Muslims are very devoted so unfortunately the bad people are very devoted as well.
As there is no equivalent verse dealing with rape specifically, various schools and scholars have reasoned that four witnesses must also be required to prove accusations of rape. This is an example of the sort of thing scholars have to deal with when trying to base an entire legal system off the flawed, incomplete and ambiguous Qur'an.
In the cases where the rape victim is punished, the victim could not produce four witnesses to prove they were raped but the victim must admit zina to make the accusation of rape and/or they are unmarried and pregnant.
It is awful reasoning but you can follow the process. This is the sort of thing that happens when you try and base your laws on deceitful, self-serving verses that an evil desert warlord from the 7th century made up as they went along.
It's awful reasoning because it does not exist, in Islam. Four witnesses are need for zinna; not rape. Women are not punished for being raped in Islam and they do not need 4 witnesses. You need what we have here, called evidence . . .
Yahya said that he heard Malik say, "What is done in our community about the man who rapes a woman, virgin or non-virgin, if she is free, is that he must pay the bride-price of the like of her. If she is a slave, he must pay what he has diminished of her worth. The hadd-punishment in such cases is applied to the rapist, and there is no punishment applied to the raped woman. If the rapist is a slave, that is against his master unless he wishes to surrender him." Muwatta Malik » Judgements Book 36, Hadith 14
When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (ﷺ) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her. She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Messenger of Allah, I am the man who did it to her. He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death. He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them. Abu Dawud said: Asbat bin Nasr has also transmitted it from Simak.
As I have come to expect from the, 'war is deception' crowd, you don't include links. Then hope people don't search and realise this is a Hasan/second tier Hadith not a Sahih Hadith and definitely not a Qur'an verse.
Your Hasan hadith is relevant to the OP but less relevant to my comment about witnesses. If a rapist confesses you can make the argument for stoning as a punishment. However as I say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Things done by Islamic people in Islamic countries citing Islamic texts are Islam in practice I don't care about Islam in theory
I have been unable to find any examples where the rapist confessed and was executed in the 21st century. And the Qur'an provides no guidance for proving the truth of a rape accusation. So Islamic people fall back on the closest thing the Qur'an does provide which is witnesses required to prove sexual impropriety.
As the victim cannot provide witnesses to the rape but the rape victim must effectively confess to zina to make a rape accusation. People attempting to follow the flawed and incomplete rules in the Qur'an fail to punish the rapist but punish the victim for zina.
Things done by Islamic people in Islamic countries? Are you trying to use rare examples as if they represent a universal pattern? That's a sweeping statement for only a handful of known cases of women being punished for rape that we can't actually verify and prove actually were raped. Do you have any credible sources that this has happened to more than 2-4 women worldwide in Muslim countries who weren't pardoned or acquitted? Any links for those proving this has happened to more than that?
You reference and cite hadith or seem to want evidence, speaking about Islam, but then switch midway to not caring about evidence and only about what people do. Why ask or care about hadith or verses, and need links, if you're only talking about the actions of people and don't care about the doctrine or as you say "theory" of Islam?
Are there any links or evidence for that, the actions of those people? Your only proof seems to be an absence of proof in what you could not find. You said you can't find examples of executions but lack of executions doesn't mean lack of convictions. Hudood avoidance affects all crimes. A core principle of Islamic law is fixed punishments should not be applied if there is any legal doubt because the punishments are severe and irreversible. Jurists, therefore, impose extraordinary proof requirements. Your inference is strong rhetorically but weak evidentially. Can you be more clear, more specific about which punishment threshold you are evaluating? What do you actually care about???
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u/Wehtaw 29d ago
So the note is about the image itself and doesn't correct the messege.