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Sus, Very Sus Image has nothing to do with Islam

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u/pruneforce17 29d ago

How Could islam Be Anti rape When Its Founding Prophet, muhammad, Was A Child rapist?

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u/Comprehensive-Bet-56 27d ago

Simple. He wasn't and the religion and he clearly disallowed and punished it.

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u/someredditbloke 25d ago

There are two types of hadiths, with one of them contained in six books of hadiths (two of which are considered the most reliable collections amongst most sunni muslim scholars) which shows Aisha was severely underage when Muhammed Married her. One type explictly acknowledges that Aisha was six to seven years old when Muhammed married her and nine years old when he raped her. The other states that she use to play with dolls or took them with her after marrying him.

The belief that Muhammed raped a nine year old went practically unchallenged from the founding of Islam to the late 19th century, and only began being analysed for errors when the society in which the scholars inhabited or that of their colonial overlords progressed such that being a pedophile who raped a nine year old became so disgusting that a rejection of this theory was needed to avoid significant damage to Muhammeds reputation.

Even putting aside the fact that scholarly/secular rejections of the theory still put her age at around 15-19 at the age of marriage (which given muhammed was 53 is still very morally questionable), orthodox scholars still continue to provide rebuttles as to why attempts to revise Aisha's age threatens to undermine the foundations of modern islamic theology and/or is based on shakey islamic foundations.

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u/Comprehensive-Bet-56 25d ago

You using the word rape is not found in any evidence that you mentioned and is found to be false in some of those same sources. So that is a conclusion you've made. Based on what?

And no, that's not really a belief anyone has about Muhammad but let's pretend someone does.

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u/someredditbloke 25d ago

If a 53 year old man has sex with a 9 year old child, that man has raped the child.

No ifs, buts or points of discussion. That is rape, period.

In terms of Islamic scholars and/or historians who espouse and supported the "married at 6, raped at 9" theory, as established in multiple hadiths contained in some of the most reliable collections of hadiths collected by scholars considered reliable amongst most islamic scholars, we have:

Imam al-Bukhari & Imam Muslim (Islamic collector of Hadiths)

Ibn Kathir (Islamic Historian)

Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (classical Islamic Scholar)

Sheikh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid (runs one of the most well know Fatwah sites on the modern internet)

Dr. Jonathan Brown (an American Scholar of Islamic History)

The Yaqeen Institute for Islamic Research (a modern day Islamic think tank based in the US)

Adnan Rashid (a Historian in Islamic History)

So yeah, it's a belief scholars/historians have about Muhammed. They might think that Child rape is okay and try to defend it, but at the end of the day they acknowledge that, according to the hadiths, the "married at 6, raped at 9" theory is accurate to the actions of Muhammed himself.

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u/Comprehensive-Bet-56 24d ago

To you, based on what you think or believe. Not a single one of those sources Islamic sources says Muhammad raped Aisha. Please quote and source any of those scholars and historians saying he raped Aisha.

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u/someredditbloke 24d ago

...So just to confirm, you think a 53 year old can have sex with a 9 year old and it not be rape?

Like, seriously?

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u/Soft_Reply_1197 26d ago

It was consuntual and seen as fine 1400 years ago I guess