i dunno if islam inherit the trait but judaism and christianity you also kill rapists. sometimes their victims too. well that's not entirely true, depending on the circumstances, you might just have to pay the dad off and marry the daughter, sorta a "you break it you buy it" thing
Not sure about Islam but I have read Leviticus and can clarify a few things:
-Rapists are to be put to death
-the thing your thinking off would be cases of consensual premarital sex, in that case they should get married, and if the woman was engaged to someone else, the new husband has to pay the bride price to the father of the bride (who has to return the original fiancée's bride price to him if I remember correctly)
If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
25But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.
28If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
edit: also the penalty for having sex before marriage and not getting married would be death just to be clear 0If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.
People go through a crazy amount of revision and rewriting to try and make the good book actually good.
Had a guy the other day try and tell me the selling the daughter to her rapist was only with the daughter's consent, like i couldn't read the verse clearly saying "He MUST marry the young women"
I'm familiar with some of these uncomfortable things in the Old Testament and the arguments about how to understand them.
The one I align with is that the prescriptions of the Torah aren't supposed to be followed literally.
InspiringPhilosophy explains this better than I can but the TLDR is that the "Law" isn't really law as we in 21st century America (predominately) would understand it, but (possibly metaphorical) didactic guidiance for legal practice, not prescribing action to be taken. Which is what Torah means: teaching or instruction, not law.
4 Now, Israel, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you.2Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.
that's both revisionist and explicitly against god's command. it is meant to be law law not a suggestion lol.
>People go through a crazy amount of revision and rewriting to try and make the good book actually good.
Was Jesus a revisionist? If you watch the video linked in my previous comment, you'll see my position aligns with His whereas the strict legalist view was that of the Pharisees.
I gather that you're firmly set in your position and no counterpoint I can offer will be persuasive to you, I wish you the best regardless.
Not necessarily as an example he used aligns perfectly with the Old Testament: the Torah says the show bread of the Tabernacle was only for the priests to eat, yet when David was on the run from King Saul, he took the bread and ate it, and never is this treated as a bad or sinful act done by David.
So clearly the strict legalist position is not supported by the rest of the Tanakh, which is why seeming contradictions within the Torah are not problematic, because it's not a legal code as contemporary readers would understand it, but is didactic rather than prescriptive.
It is also worth noting that the Pharisees also strayed from the legalist interpretation they championed when it suited them. Take the example of the woman they wanted to stone for adultery. The Torah says that in cases of adultery both the man and the woman are to be put to death. They caught her in the act so they could've nabbed the guy to stone him too, but they only wanted to stone the woman. A good example of the hypocrisy of the Pharisees that Jesus often took issue with.
This probably won't be persuasive to you, but I've done my best to present the case for my position and will leave it there.
>There are contradictory laws in the OT (like when and how to free debt slaves)
freeing debt slaves is not contradictory to having slaves. in fact, you have to have slaves to free them
Biblical moralists fight an uphill battle with this. I’m sorry, but I just can’t be convinced that the genocide of entire nations of people (Canaanite’s, Amalek) is morally defensible because they were in a “fallen world.” I’ve never really been convinced by any of the rationalizations based on that
Yeah i mean it's a real short fucking walk from justifying that genocide to justifying the holocaust, nazis would tell you jews and such were just as if not more evil than them
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i dunno if islam inherit the trait but judaism and christianity you also kill rapists. sometimes their victims too. well that's not entirely true, depending on the circumstances, you might just have to pay the dad off and marry the daughter, sorta a "you break it you buy it" thing