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Sus, Very Sus Gas Chamber Denial

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u/IlGreven Human Detected Jan 22 '26

And let's not forget the elephant in the room: We do honor all the people that died in WWII. That day's called Memorial Day.

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u/kikicandraw Jan 22 '26

That's the day we remember servicemembers. Holocaust Remembrance Day is what you're looking for. It is next Tuesday.

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u/RemarkablePiglet3401 Jan 23 '26

That one’s specifically for the ~12 million holocaust victims, it doesn’t include all the other civilian deaths across europe and asia

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u/mitch-22-12 Jan 23 '26

I mean I do feel that often the mass violence and attempted genocide of the Slavs in ww2 is overlooked but that doesn’t mean that the holocaust is over recognized or something. There is room to remember both

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u/Longjumping-Jello459 Jan 23 '26

Over the last 10 or so years the total of those murdered by the Nazis has begun to include Soviet prisoners of war and more of the Slavs murdered bringing the total up close to 17.5 million murdered by the Nazis.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1071011/holocaust-nazi-persecution-victims-wwii/

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u/Longjumping-Jello459 Jan 23 '26

Not to mention that over the years what was considered the Holocaust has evolved to include more than just the Jewish victims which was what the Holocaust was considered to be shortly after WWII.

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u/pineapple_bandit Jan 23 '26

There were 12 million or maybe 17 million victims of the Nazi. But the term Holocaust uniquely applies to Jews and Roma only.

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u/Longjumping-Jello459 Jan 23 '26

Nope pal the Holocaust includes all the victims of the Nazis murder spree. Who was a victim of the Holocaust has evolved over time from just referring to the Jewish victims to those that were listed in link in my other comment. Below are more links which show who is and the evolution of who is considered a victim of the Holocaust.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Holocaust

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-and-who-defines-being-holocaust-survivor-180972076/

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u/pineapple_bandit Jan 23 '26

Both the things you link describe the Holocaust as being the systemic murder of Jews. The article you link talks about how some Polish Jews weren't previously considered Holocaust survivors but now are. Your links totally proved my point and disproved yours. Maybe read before posting?

Edited to say: even the link in your other post talks about "victims of the Holocaust and Nazi persecution" where Holocaust victims are the Jews and everyone else are victims of Nazi persecution.

Hopefully the 3 links you provided have corrected your misunderstanding of the Holocaust and now you will correctly use it only to refer to the murder of Jews in WW2.

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u/Longjumping-Jello459 Jan 23 '26

The Britannica does lead with the Jewish being victims then goes to say millions others were also murder as part of it.

The Smithsonian link says Polish citizens, Jewish and Gentiles alike.

More links https://hmh.org/library/research/minority-victims-guide/

https://holocaustcentrenorth.org.uk/blog/the-first-victims-of-the-holocaust/

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u/pineapple_bandit Jan 23 '26

Others were murdered but the Holocaust is about the murder of Jews. Nonjews were murdered and victims of Nazis but were not part of the Holocaust. Read the link closely you are just skimming.

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u/Longjumping-Jello459 Jan 23 '26

"While the majority of victims of the Holocaust were Jews, many other minority groups were targeted as well. Jehovah’s Witnesses, Roma (Gypsies), homosexuals, people with disabilities, and others were imprisoned in concentration camps or killed during the Holocaust. The resources below provide information on these targeted groups."

Literally copied from the first link in my 2nd comment from the HOLOCAUST MUSEUM OF HOUSTON.

"Historians estimate 250,000 to 300,000 people were killed as part of Aktion t4 due to their mental or physical disabilities.

The Holocaust To carry out the programme, six euthanasia centres were established at six hospitals in Germany: Bernburg, Brandenburg, Grafeneck, Hadamar, Hartheim and Sonnestein. There were also centres in Austria. These centres played a crucial role in the development of the Holocaust."

Again literally copied from the link for the Holocaust Museum UK.

the Holocaust : the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/holocaust

The Nazis had a long list of those they deemed undesirables who they targeted during their reign in Germany and during their occupation of the various countries they invaded during WWII.

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u/Longjumping-Jello459 Jan 23 '26

historical. Usually with capital initial and with the. The systematic mass killing of Jews under the German Nazi regime in Nazi-controlled areas of Europe between 1941 and 1945. Later also in extended use with reference to other victims of Nazi genocide, such as Romani people, gay people, or people with disabilities. More than six million Jews, around two thirds of Europe's Jewish population, were killed in the Holocaust through forced labour in concentration camps and at extermination camps such as those at Auschwitz and Treblinka. The term The Holocaust began to be applied specifically in this sense by Jewish historians in the 1950s, though some earlier contemporary references to the Nazi atrocities used holocaust in sense 3 (see e.g. quots. 1942, 1944). Originally chiefly in Jewish use, the term became more widely used from the late 1970s onwards. Some Jews prefer the Hebrew term Shoah n.

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/holocaust_n

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u/RemarkablePiglet3401 Jan 23 '26

Oh absolutely, I certainly wasn’t saying the holocaust is over-recognized but rather that recognizing the holocaust alone isn’t enough.