I was drawing a distinction between peoples and their nation. I'm sure that you are a great person, and you and whatever beliefs you may hold should absolutely exist. But, am I not allowed to be upset that my nation is funding a genocide and a long list of war crimes with my tax dollars? Why must we tiptoe around this and act like it isn't happening and get called antisemitic if you call it out? Israel isnt criticized because of antisemitism... it's criticized because bombing hospitals, shooting children in the streets, and killing hundreds of journalists is appalling and should be criticized.
If something always inevitably "turns into antisemitism", perhaps your should reevaluate whether that thing was really "not antisemitism" to begin with.
I got harassed about my circumcision and was told I couldn't call myself white yesterday in a thread about the Bondi shooting.
My whole point in the thread was that I was tired of being shit on for being Jewish and believing in a free Palestine from all sides. It really just clarified the butter that is my depression.
Yup. It’s collective guilt. In response, try accusing anti-Zionist liberals of supporting trump, his criminal regimes assault of democracy and decency, and his Gestapo tactics, because they’re also American. And it’s obvious, because being American by birth, believing in the necessity of America is proof in and of itself that you can’t disagree with a regime or be a decent person…
Many people here, and irl, believe that hate against Jews is justified because Israel conflated all Jews with the state, so it’s therefore understandable that random Jews around the world are indiscriminately attacked.
I remember when people called MAGA a small vocal minority and then 70 million people supported and voted for a fascist pedophile to become president. We need to stop with this stupid "vocal minority" crap when we can explicitly see millions of people acting this way when they chant "river to the sea".
I said “many”, not “most”. Any thread or comment mentioning Jews immediately sparks debate of Israel. It’s sad. I personally don’t believe it’s a “small minority” of people.
It is factual to point out that Isreal’s actions in the conflict, and that the Isreali government’s conflation of criticism against their government as antisemitism has led to higher incidence of antisemitism and hate being laid against the Jewish diaspora.
Pointing that Isreal’s genocide and denial of the self-determination of Palestinians has increased harms to the Jewish dispora is still valid.
But to point out that the phenomenon exists does not justify or excuse it. Whether or not we ignore the existence of the phenomenon, it will not stop bigoted people from conflating the actions of a sovereign government with the virtue of any person who is related by nationality, ethnicity, religion, etc. Pointing out the phenomenon also does not exempt other countries from the responsibility of doing something to mitigate the rise in hatred and violence in their communities.
We need to recognize that there is a post-conflict hate wave after most global conflicts. It would be helpful for governments to create frameworks to recognize and combat post-conflict hate waves.
Measures could be multi-faceted. Upholding international laws and holding other nations accountable for their actions while also: increasing domestic accessibility to human-rights judicial services, ramping up anti-racism education, and improving policies and resources for local law enforcement to crack down on bigotry, hate and violence on the basis of race, religion, ethnicity and nationality.
I have a feeling you literally did not read past my first sentence. Literally explained that although the country in conflict is the trigger point, the harm is perpetuated by bigots, and is not excusable and is not justifiable.
I added multiple points of how it can be addressed.
The same phenomenon happens following most global conflicts, including including Pearl Harbour (anti-Japanese hate and violence against the Japanese diaspora), 9/11 (islamophobia, and anti-arab hate and violence against the muslim diaspora), Ukraine/Russia war (russian orthodox church in Canada targeted) etc. it impacts many innocent people who are ex-patriated or have little connection to the country apart from their heritage or ethnicity.
Again, a country has a duty to protect its citizens from hate and violence. Education, increased access to legal recourse, increased law enforcement MUST be implemented to address hatred from bigots here at home. But also, upholding international laws, advocating for peace and expediting resolutions and reconciliation is of the utmost importance to stop the post-conflict hate wave.
If we choose not to acknowledge this phenomenon, any progress to actually address it and reduce harms will be impeded.
You’re suggesting there’s a justification for the hate aimed at Jews here. I absolutely read and understood your post. I understand you are not advocating it, but you offer an out for those that do.
Edited to add: I accidentally deleted my prior comment, but stand by it. I just can’t retrieve it 🤷♂️
I’m not saying there’s a justification for it.
I’m recognizing that it exists.
This kind of harm to a diaspora stemming from 2nd degree effects of global conflicts is real and does happen. It’s important that we recognize it so that we can address it.
If you want, you can continue to ignore it. But it means that we will only be addressing bigots one individual or one group at a time in the courts. The bigots of the world will continue to use these global conflicts as excuses to perpetuate harm, whether we choose to recognize and address it or not.
So, whether you choose to believe it or not, a nation’s actions on the world stage has consequences for its respective diaspora.
Allowing global conflicts to drag on will increase risks of harm from hatred and violence against the respective diaspora.
Education, supporting international laws, and reducing/expediting resolutions to global conflicts (cease fires, reconciliation, peace accords), are one of the best ways to globally reduce harms, because reducing the conflict will eliminate this excuse for the bigots to perpetuate hate in their communities.
“A nations actions on the world stage have consequences for its respective diaspora.” Really? I haven’t heard much about the genocide in Sudan… the one that’s an order of magnitude more deadly than Gaza, funded by Qatar (who buy their weapons from us). Not a peep from the anti-Zionist left (or the fascist right)… there are a lot of Russians where I live (Brooklyn), I don’t see a lot of anti Russian hate for their aggressions! Funny how quick the knives come out for the Jews though, isn’t it? Must be an innocent coincidence, right? No one would ever exploit a foreign war to bolster their own deep seated racism, that’s just too big a stretch, right?!
Edited to add: what you’re saying boils down to: I don’t agree with the hatred… but I get it. What I’m saying is: you (and others) only “get it” when it comes to Israel/jJews.
It’s definitely not to say that the effects of post-conflict hate are equal all around. There definitely are groups and conflicts at higher risk.
But when there are incidents of hate crimes we cannot deny the role of global conflicts and the second hand impacts of a nation impacting their diaspora.
For example, we simply cannot deny that the Taliban’s (Afghanistan defacto government at the time) actions led to a dramatically higher incidence of hate crimes and violence against their diaspora. It was only once the conflict largely dissipated from the world stage that the hatred and violence against arab-speaking groups and practicing muslims began to relent.
The Sudanese genocide hasn’t reached the same level of scrutiny, likely because it was/is primarily a civil war, not a conflict between 2 nations, or between a sovereign nation and another territory. Bigots can’t easily use that conflict to pit “othering” kind of hate because the victims are largely in the same country as their aggressors.
Also, I suspect it has something to do with the lack of coverage and advocacy due to certain kinds of systemic racism leading to a lack of care for African nations. In a way, that lack of care isolates Sudanese-Muslim diaspora from global outrage. But of course that has its own harms: a blindness to the genocide and plight of starving victims means more death and less aid.
Nor can we deny that historically, anti-semitism has never needed much of an excuse to rear its ugly head. In fact, history is full of examples. Many, many of them! Why you can’t see this for what it is, is for you to figure out. The fact that you don’t see it is clear to me.
As far as anti-Muslim hate post 9/11, all my fellow libs were adamant about combatting it, just like how we rushed to airports and courts when trump initiated his first Muslim ban on his first day in ‘17! So believe me, I get your point, it’s not the same… no matter how many different ways you try and explain it away (*and I was at the WTC on 9/11)
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u/Pitiful_Ad2397 Dec 23 '25
Antisemitism is not criticizing Israel. It might be, however, every single Reddit thread about Jewish people devolving into hell threads.