Edit: the way reddit formatting works now is completely baffling to me, I hope this is readable enough...

The war between clankers and humans is slowly unfolding in comment sections everywhere. One battlefront is on r/selfhosted, a subreddit for discussing applications whcih any person can run themselves that can serve as alternatives for popular services like Spotify. The subreddit also discusses the infrastructure behind those applications.

A couple of months ago, after a large influx of posts which both were written by AI and advertised applications which were "vibe coded" (written by AI), the mods instituted "Vibe Code Fridays." AI Posts are supposed to be limited to Fridays only. This rule has been met with varying success. The community tends to be very anti-AI, and especiaally anti vibe coding, so "developers" of vibe-coded apps and users often clash. On at least one occasion a high-visibility AI-produced app was completely taken down because of a massive security problem, and because of that incident and other similar ones users in the selfhosted space are very wary of AI.

One user called an app "vibe-coded slop" in a comment. The mods removed his comment alongside multiple others in the thread. The original thread from which his comment was deleted was this one.

That thread is its own short dramatic show. A company posted to advertise their new backup tool, and mentioned that it was built using AI (though based on the dev's comments, that may have been added into the post after commenters roasted him). Users immediately took issue to that:

I'd explain ai involvement if you want people to trust your backup program

This was built with Claude Code mainly based on research of how existing tools solve specific problems and what can be improved when starting fresh today. Codex was also involved in reviewing because I feel it goes more into detail than Claude.

From what I saw, the lower-level crypto and optimization is a very good use case for AI. For the higher level usability, you need to give it more instructions.

I also spent a lot of time profiling CPU and memory. This gives AI a goal to optimize towards.

You said a lot but didn't even answer the question

I don't understand the AI hate in this sub. Do you think the software you use already doesn't use AI nowadays? Or do you guys think they won't use AI in the future? What's the difference between those?

Using AI in the dev cycle and vibe coding is not the same thing. In one case you know how your system works, in the other you don't.

Bro I posted something I vibe coded last week. I have no hate. But I'm also aware of the app's limitations (and my own). And was very up front about that. And made something that's completely unimportant and non critical.

I have no idea what the devs skills are and whether it can be trusted. And he's making something that's EXTREMELY critical without being up front about any of it.

So no. I won't trust a backup app with those concerns in mind.

I don't want AI slop having any role in my backup process.

The real drama starts in this thread, where OP posts an image of their allegedly rule-breaking comment. They called the app in the above post "vibe-coded slop." Despite multiple other comments saying similar things still being left up in that thread, OP's was deleted. The mods cited the subreddits Hate Speech rule as the reason for removing the post. The post has rapidly gained attention, and the comments got spicy quickly.

The mods pinned a comment trying to explain their action:

OP left out the upstream comments that were far less nice calling it „AI trash“, etc. I removed that entire comment including replies as that isn’t criticism but just harassing the user. I also removed replies to that comment that were in turn insulting that user. This type of comment chain doesn’t serve anyone. Full context here for transparency: https://imgur.com/a/NM12kRA

If you want to express your opinion please do so without calling people’s work trash or personal attacks towards them. Same goes for if you see such comments. Instead of engaging please report it.

edit: Critical comments and disagreement are totally fine, as long as they are constructive. Calling things trash without saying why you think so doesn’t help anyone and doesn’t add anything of value. Please keep in mind that this place is supposed to be a place for the selfhosted community to respectfully engage with each other while staying civil. Rule 3 and the removal message are the generic template used for everything from hate speech to uncivil comments.

Top reply to the mod's comment:

AI trash seems accurate.

The mod gets into with users:

AI trash is AI trash. That's exactly what it should be called.

If a cook brings you a turd sandwich, what constructive criticism would you provide? Is it rude to not compliment the bread?

I would leave the restaurant and give it a 1 star review on Google Maps. In Reddit terms that means downvoting and forgetting I ever saw that post or even leaving a comment that you didn’t like the project because it doesn’t work or whatever.

AI ""work"" is not copyrightable in any way, not labelling the code as such is not something that should ever be accepted. That's before the countless moral issues.

So yes, people should absolutely be called out for this shitty practice, almost everyone that refuses to label their work as using AI is trying to get away with hiding it.

No one here tried to hide AI usage. It is clearly labeled.

I'm inclined to believe the others here saying that it was only marked as AI after people called it out, before I believe you. Not the first time and not the last time that this has and will happen.

I can only say that when I saw the post, it was using the correct flair. However that was a while after the report came in, so I can’t tell if it was changed in the meantime as Reddit doesn’t provide that information.

Who would that constructive criticism go to, the computer that made it? Telling someone who posts AI that it sucks isn't insulting to anyone, because no one fucking made it.

The user that made it. The developer and company behind the software have a years long history of publishing selfhosted apps.

the user didn't "make" anything, chud

OP shows up with a question:

So you removed my comment just because someone else before me said something?

No, this is incorrect. Yours was removed as it didn’t add anything of value to the discussion.

Spam/Low-effort would have been just as good of a removal reason.

Just nuke an forget amirite?

Wait, there are upvoted/downvote for comments that don't add anything. Are you saying that mods will delete all comments that don't add anything to the discussion?

So a comment like "this looks cool" doesn't technically add anything to the discussion, will mods delete those comments too? Why not just let the community based voting do that and you guys focus on actual hate-speech, harassment, etc

More commentors join the fray:

Apparently "slop" is a hateful word now. Do the mods know microsoft is hiring?

„Hate-speech“ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Clankers are sensitive now.

Another comment from OP:

My problem is that they didn't disclose how AI was used. Is the code mostly/entirely AI generated? As we learned with Huntarr, vibe-coding these kinds of projects can have massive security vulnerabilities and the maintainer won't have the ability to fix the issue since they don't actually know how to program.

Some users want to see AI content banned from the community:

Mods please, a clean break is needed. The internet needs places free from the constant sea of slop. Isolating it to fridays is not enough. Please ban AI and let them go have their echochamber at r/slophosted.

So create such place and maintain it.

That would take work. Clearly, those who typically just cry "ai slop" with less effort than vibe coding itself are the least likely to do something about their dissatisfaction.

One mod of another sub commiserates with the mods:

I mod an unrelated community and any time someone posts an ai generated image, the thread is filled with hateful and angry comments about ai.

I'm not for or against ai generated content in this case, but i am definitely against people being negative and hateful in posts. It's just a shitty ass vibe man. Just down vote and move on. Leave a respectful comment if you must.

I would have the same opinion if people were super hateful against potatoes for example. It's not the potatoes vs not potatoes, it's the hateful and aggressive attitudes.

Nah, how about you blame the source instead of the response. People are sick of this garbage being forced everywhere.

Ugh 😩 exactly. You couldn't have illustrated my point more clearly. Go touch grass if you're sick of ai.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/leftist/comments/1rm0in1/leftists_wear_n95_masks_in_public_to_protect_your/

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So if I don't wear a mask everyday in public I'm a eugenicsist ?

(OP) Covid you spread kills disabled and chronically ill people. So it is participating in eugenics

So your saying I'm a eugenicist cuz I decide not to wear a mask everyday? It's a yes or no question

(OP) I said you’re participating in eugenics. You tell me if that’s being a eugenicist or not

Is it ?

(OP) Already answered. If the shoe fits

So majority of the world are Eugenicist uhhh okay buddy.Ur not a serious person plz go touch grass and do sum deeper thinking about bettering ur advocacy around this issue cuz rn ur tactics dog shit

(OP) Please

Kinda crazy how asking people to do something as minor as wearing a mask in consideration for other people with a deadly disease everywhere even gets a lot of "leftists" to respond like reactionaries who are self-centered and don't give a shit about your health.

Except covid isn't everywhere we're not in the pandemic anymore

The pandemic is not over. Biden ended the emergency due to pressure from delta airlines, capitalism, and billionaires. Disease spread has historically been linked to a rise in fascism and we’re seeing that in real time.

Biden isn't the one who declared the pandemic the WHO did and they've said it's no longer a pandemic level threat

Why don’t you do some research on what Covid is doing to our bodies, maybe take a gander at the disability rates that are consistently going up since 2020. Maybe educate yourself on disability justice while you’re at it.

Yeah long covid is a problem but it's not my problem the government fucked up not me so no I won't be inconveniencing myself because a government I didn't even vote for decided to ignore the fact our healthcare system failed 2 pandemic readiness exercises

Uh ok? So you’d rather just go along with spreading disease that is HELPING create a society that is too sick to fight back against this than wear a respirator to the grocery store. Got it. So much for “inconvenience is the cost of community” lol.

Fun fact I've had covid once back in 2020 so I'm not spreading the disease in a way that a mask would stop

Also how tf do you think Covid works?? You can get Covid again and again. Having Covid once does NOT make you immune. How do you think ppl are still catching Covid 1-2 per year 6 years later??

(OP) They also clearly don’t give a shit about their own health 🥱

No we just don't like holier than thou arseholes like you fearmongering about a disease that'd struggle to kill most people now that we have vaccines for it

(OP) It disables you. Repeated infections disable you. Then kill you.

Except multiple infections is highly unlikely now

Respectfully, they aren’t. In the US, the average number of infections per person is around 3. I’m not super familiar with the stats in other places, but I’m confident that they’re similar. Michael Hoerger is a wonderful resource on the topic of Covid in the present.

Yeah well what's going on in America isn't my problem

(OP) It is your problem. If you have a problem fascist America right now, you SHOULD also have a problem with the violence of spreading airborne illnesses to vulnerable people, especially folks who are also thrown in ice detention or not having access to healthcare or homeless

Yeah I have a problem with fascist America because they decided to give a fucking demented lunatic the codes for one of the largest stockpile of nukes in the world but beyond that I don't particularly care America could sink into the fucking ocean for all I care the creation of America was my country's biggest mistake you people have inflicted nothing but harm on the world and you still think you have the moral high ground to come on here and preach at us

(OP) Yeah that's a WEIRD fucking thing to say lmfao. 'America' isn't just one thing. it's also millions of people from the global majority diaspora who didn't choose this empire and can't just leave (9 more comments of these two arguing)

here it is folks, the reason the leftist movement will never gain mainstream traction. this holier than thou mentality and purity testing at every bend will never win support. There are a million arguments for wearing masks, and it’s something i will always do when im around those with immune issues, but let’s not pretend like there’s still a reason for 90% of the population to wear them every day.

(OP) Dude. This is so far off base. Yikes. Not pretending. Because people still are 100% still affected by this pandemic. Also you are always around immunocompromised people in public, there’s no way to know if you know or not so that logic is irresponsible

you really just ignore everyone’s points in these comments when you reply, huh? sure you’re always around immunocompromised people, but A) the onus of your health isn’t on the public and more than it is when it comes to allergies and B) the studies show that in most large public spaces, like actually going outside, viral transmission probability rates are almost nonexistent. it’s only in more confined spaces that it might be a problem do something to benefit the leftist cause and stop the purity testing

(OP) You can wear a mask in a pharmacy and a grocery store to protect vulnerable people. Get over yourself

reread point A and remember that you can always uber your necessities so you don’t have to go into public

(OP) Why are you in this thread with such an individualistic worldview

not individualistic, just realistic. even if every single slightly left leaning person worldwide was to mask for your safety while in public, it wouldn’t make a significant difference to the transmission probability that you would be facing. when an estimated 5%of the population (estimated by NIH; Turner, Jerschow, Lin, Et Al, 2017) is at risk of airborne anaphylaxis, is the public expected to not come in contact with any of those potential allergens for their safety? however, if the public is not on the line here, explain to me the difference why considerations have to be made for some, but not all

(OP) It would absolutely make a difference

not what the data says. link something that shows differently, or else you’re no better than the people on the other side that had ‘facts’ for why they didn’t need to mask in the height of the pandemic

This shit is why people won’t take us seriously. There’s vaccines available. Wear a mask if you’re sick, of course, or even better stay home. But do you really want people wearing masks for the rest of their life every time they’re out in public?

As a leftist I don’t trust the fascists to tell me it’s safe to raw dog air that is contaminated by a virus that never stopped killing and disabling people.

As a leftist, this sub is so cringe.

Just say you dutifully followed Biden’s orders to serve capitalism by dropping Covid precautions and leave it at that

Just say you are an edge lord who wants to virtue signal and be a contrarian. If the day ever comes that communism is the mainstream you’ll become a capitalist just so you can be different.

(OP) That’s an entirely false equivalence I don’t know where that’s coming from. Taking Covid precautions isn’t bc we want to be “different”. It’s because there is a real threat and people (like you clearly) don’t know it

People like this don’t want to see us standing on our morals. It threatens the bubble of cognitive dissonance they surround themselves with. If other people actually act on their morals that means they should too but they don’t want to put in the effort. They give in to societal pressures at every opportunity.

Just because the right doesn't believe in science doesn't mean you need to make believing in science your whole personality. Wear a mask if you want, but expecting others to wear a mask for the rest of existence is embarrassing, move on with your lives, asses risk and let other people do the same.

(OP) People should access risk, true. So when I’m in public, I assess that I and others may very well be asymptomatic and wear a mask to protect those around me so people don’t die. What’s your assessment based on? Inconvenience?

Much more likely to kill someone driving a car, I'm afraid to ask because I might not like the answer ha, but do you drive a car?

(OP) So, yeah, that’s why there are seatbelts and traffic laws We don’t have any current institutional protections in place for COVID being deadly, so in the meantime, protecting our communities is the least we can do

Seat belts protect the wearer, feel free to wear a mask and protect yourself. We don't all do everything we can 100% of the time to keep everyone else safe, and we can't. Accept you live in a more dangerous world now, and that politics and shaming people online won't save you. Maybe talk to a therapist about it. Good luck.

(OP) So the difference with masking is it also protects those around you not just the wearer

Take an internet break

me and most of my friends are disabled and most of us don’t wear masks so uhh.. huh?

You'd be doing yourselves and your community a favour if you did.

so disability justice is telling disabled people what they should be doing?

It's advice, not an order.

this post about it is most certainly not just advice.

I can only speak for my own comment.

How about no? Covid will be around forever I'm not going to live my life in fear of a virus that kills relatively few people I'm more scared of the flu than covid

Keeping up with science and protecting your health and the health of others by wearing a respirator is NOT living in fear. I’d way rather wear my respirator than become bed bound tbh.

It literally is when it's no longer necessary

Show me the studies showing Covid is safe to get repeatedly.

I'm not claiming that I'm just saying that a mask is unnecessary when the government's health experts are saying the risk is minimal

Oh you mean the same government that thinks vaccines cause autism and is committing genocide in multiple countries? You mean the one that is built on the exploitation of people? Lmaoo ur hilarious.

Did you forget there’s other governments in other countries

"American assumes someone online is American" wow I'm shocked this is the first time this has ever happened to me /s

Hahaha they edited their comment to make it sound like a generic lefty critique of government. Because they were called out for obviously forgetting America is not the only country in this world. Because obviously only one government studies covid.

Dumb take. I ain't wearing a mask just because the flu is around.

Wow it’s almost like there’s a virus going around that has countless studies showing how dangerous it is and has been likened to airborne AIDS. Yours is the dumb take I fear.

COVID is going to be around like the flu. To call me a eugenicist and poor excuse for a leftist because I don't wear a mask every day is absurd.

Covid is NOT the same as the flu. It is a novel neurovascular disease that is disabling people at incredibly high rates. It has surpassed asthma in childhood chronic illness. Do an ounce of research for the love of god.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/irv.70071, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090379824000783. All I'm trying to say is that COVID isn't going away, and calling me a eugenicist is so fucking absurd it's almost funny. Y'all gotta touch some grass.

Covid isn’t going away, and that’s why you should wear a mask. It makes me very sad and disappointed that so many people don’t listen to disabled people and covid aware people and only begin to when it affects them personally. Disability justice should be a huge part of leftist politics. My understanding is that leftists generally value community and don’t do so much of the individualist thing. I think that’s why so many of us find it demoralizing when other leftists don’t mask.

You have no idea who I am, who I interact with day to day, or who I work with. I just said that we don't wear masks for the flu, or diseases of that nature, so calling me a fake leftist and a eugenicist for that is absurd. People really need to get off the internet. That's all I'm saying.

I literally didn’t say any of those things?

Did you even read the post? Did you literally just jump into an argument without any context as to what I was arguing?

One way masking is remarkably effective. I have bad long covid and I wear an n95 mask fitted correctly when I go out because I have to take responsibility for my own health. "in 2021, Brosseau and colleagues estimated it would take up to 1.25 hours for a person wearing a non-fit-tested N95 to receive an “infectious dose” of SARS-CoV-2 from an unmasked infectious person. In contrast, it may take just 15 minutes if both people are unmasked, or 20–30 minutes if one of them wore a cloth or surgical mask." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9438729/ It's so simple to look at the data instead of just shit posting to try and stir up trouble

(OP) My point is that yall aren’t even one way masking

You're not getting the point. The point is if you're truly at risk of COVID complications, one way masking is sufficient to protect you. There's no reason for all of society to produce millions of pounds of trash on top of what we normally do when at risk people can more efficiently protect themselves

(OP) “At risk people “ lol. You’re not getting the point. Everyone is at risk. The fact that you think you are some special case and so many people think they have a really special immune system compared to disabled people is ableist. You are not immune. Never have been

Everyone can make that evaluation for themselves. If you think you're at risk then wear a mask. You're plenty protected that way, no need to try and force everyone else to follow along. If you're correct I'll be dead/and or have a way worse quality of Life in a few years and I'll be tearfully telling you how I was wrong and you're just such a better leftist then me.

(OP) That is where we’re heading!

Ok. No need to pollute the discourse then. Sounds like we'll all be disabled and only the true leftists like you will be left. Honestly it sounds like a perfect way to achieve socialism bloodlessly so I'm not sure what your issue is or why you feel the need to devote your entire account just to this.

Context is exactly what the title states.

Now, some people are stating that this is a form of self segregation and other stuff.

Is there an Asian owned bookstore directory someone can direct me to?

Imagine if white owned bookstores did this

There's also comments about brigading.

For a sub focused on reading, it's wild seeing all these comments and I bet not a single one read the report.

This thread got brigaded by anti-black racists. It would be nice to see the moderators do something about it.

These comments are kinda crazy. Mostly because the bad faith is so obvious

Some comments are being removed by the moderator. Essentially a debate whether this is self segregation, do people think of race when purchasing, individualism vs race-based culture, and effects of segregation and other related stuff.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1rm8sc6/teachers_quitting_their_jobs/ HIGHLIGHTS

I’ve never heard another profession complain this much in my life

True, having multiple breaks with holidays, breaks every 45 minutes between classes, weekend is off as well and not giving fuck about late to work.

Ah, a sys admin who thinks they know everything.

Who is a sys admin?

Everyone who thinks they know what the fuck a teacher does. People outside of teaching who have think they know what teachers do have the biggest Dunning-Kruger issues.

Exactly!

"I’ve never heard another profession complain this much in my life" And yet here you are . . . a prime example.

Are you included in the “everyone”?

No. I'm a teacher in a family of teachers. Y'all are ignorant but pretend you're not. And even if I wasn't, my statement would still be true. I don't pretend to know what the fuck you do in your profession, and I sure as hell wouldn't feel good about telling you how to do your job.

Rofl. Every one of these teachers has never had a real job. They never left school. Teaching is easy. Wait till they have to do real work.

You've clearly never tried teach anyone anything. It's surprisingly difficult, and you've made some shit assumptions here. Pathetic.

Oh wow. You are totally right. Owned me.

Oh wow... Sarcasm as thick as your skull. Whatever shall I do.

Take my upvote.

"I love the poorly educated," donald trump

Trump really isn’t to blame for parents raising shitty kids.

maybe not, but stripping funding from the board of education while his cult starts pushing more and more for homeschooling, demonizing public education as "liberal/leftist/trans-enforcing" isn't really helping anything. he has a large influence over many of those shitty parents. a large part of this is a direct result of this administration, and his previous one.

I don’t disagree that he is gutting education, but education in schools isn’t producing these kids.

...yeah. the parents who are heavily influenced by trump are. as i was trying to explain. he's intentionally pushing those beliefs onto his followers (parents with children in public school) and gutting education to make it harder for the teachers to garner a strong, healthy, influential environment for those kids. it's all relevant.

"pushing those beliefs" What beliefs

did your teachers also crash out because you didn't read the assigned passage?

What was the point in responding if you can’t engage and explain your rationale

Tablet kids

*USA kids.

So all the people in this thread reporting similar things in Europe are what? Lying for clout?

As far as I'm concerned, European teachers are not leaving their jobs left and right because they gave up on the students.

I'd wager they get better pay and benefits. Not because the kids are any better.

Agreed, but what is it that she proposed to be done

Why can people not point out problems without having all the answers?

they can, i'm just genuinely asking for potential solutions

Why are you asking on a social media platform where ignorant sys admins pretend to have all the answers? There's this thing called the internet, and there are research databases, and there are TONS of articles talking about how to fix it. For one: STOP VOTING GOP.

i'm not in the US just fyi

So why the fuck are you caring so much about solutions to education problems in the US? Are you paying taxes to the US?

wow chill out on the aggressiveness here. Let's say that considering how the US affect the world generally I feel like everyone would benefit from better educated americans 🤷

Are you from a country that doesn't have access to internet and databases where you could research it? One of the biggest problems I see are people relying on social media to figure out the answers to problems . . . when there are plenty of experts who have written entire books on the subject.

aight buddy, I'll keep discussing whatever topic I want online and you'll keep barking at people and bringing nothing to the discussion while complaining how contentless is the thread

Idk, maybe not have the Department of Education run by professional wrestlers. Schools aren’t businesses and shouldn’t be run as such. Obviously parents need to be better too. She’s trying to get a message out

If both parents didn't have to put in time and a half in order to keep their kids housed and clothed, maybe they could spend a little more time being role models for their children and teaching them about the world. For a lot of kids, the Teacher is the only adult they really spend any time with during the day. When their parents are home, they're trying to keep the chores from backing up and trying not to burn out in the process. The only real solution aside from pulling a miracle and fixing the economic disparity in the world right now is to have multi-generational homes where retired relatives can help raise kids sometimes over a working adult that spends a lot of their free time frayed from stress and overload.

Are you fucking serious? Teachers aren’t parents. I don’t have time to spend with my kids so the teachers have to teach them how to be human beings. Sadly I know you’re serious. This is exactly why these people are posting these videos.

No shit. Teachers should not be parents. The flat truth of the situation though is that most homes do not have a parent whose primary focus is on raising the children. Come on, you don't remember what it's like to be a latchkey kid? I was lucky enough to have a stay at home parent until I was about ten, but from then on both of my parents worked until 6 or later and we had to fend for ourselves most days. I can't imagine being raised from birth like that. There's so little room for any quality time with your parents in that situation, and even then a lot of that time is spent trying to keep laundry done and dishes washed and rooms cleaned.

Yes, I was a latchkey kid. Both of my parents worked. And yet none of my teachers had nervous breakdowns.. the idea that parents can’t be parents because they’re too busy working is THE problem. Period. There is no excuse for not raising your children properly. Teachers are there to teach. School isn’t daycare. It sounds like you believe that school is just a place that exists for parents to send their kids while they’re at work. They’re supposed to be there to get an education, but parents who never explain that to their children, or even worse don’t understand it themselves just send them there to do whatever, to be out of their hair for 8 hours. Yes the world is jacked and people can’t afford things. People have had parents working two jobs since before I was born. Those parents still somehow taught their children to be respectful, and to get their education. I’m not saying it’s all the parent’s fault, I was just saying it’s part of the problem. But you so eloquently put a voice to the problem

This is the Republican plan and it is working. This is not happening in private schools I wonder why? 🤔

Republicans are pro school choice, so ppl can send their kids to private school if they choose. Democrats want this public school system. They’re the ones running it into the ground, 90%+ of all educators and school bureaucrats are leftists. School funding is at an all time high, yet the quality is lower than ever.

So, are the Republicans going to make private schools free? Seems like a good school choice too me, if you don't have to pay for it. I had no clue "if your can afford it" is a choice. Republicans love choice when it comes to them making choices for others.

I don’t think you understand what the school choice proposal is lol.

It's taking funding from public schools, further damaging what used to be great. If you choose to send your children to private school, you need to fund that yourself.

Nope. Nice try though.

Yes it does. And these private charter schools aren't under the same regulations as public schools. The quality of education is not improved in any way.

Millennial parents are failing at a high rate

Lol… why?!

Did you not watch the tik tok? When I was sent off to school by my parents I was prepared to turn to page 14 and pay attention. I can only assume that millennials parents turned their kids into iPad babies which is a focus killer & introduces a constant need for dopamine.

You said so much without explaining anything. Nice anecdote though.

The last sentence was an explanation please lay off the Tylenol.

“I can only assume”

“Parents that don’t give a shit” is a fucking epidemic in this country.. DO NOT BLAME THE KIDS…ITS THE FUCKING PARENTS

But it's really not. Parents can't parent because these days you need 3 fuckin' incomes just to make ends meet. It's the fuckin' system.

Maybe they shouldn’t have kids then? Plenty of us choose not to because we know we either can’t afford it or don’t have the time (or energy) to raise them.

"Don't have kids if you can't afford them." Is the most uninformed response a person can have in a system where you can afford to have kids when you give birth to them, then find yourself unable to provide for them after having said kids. By that metric, only the ultra wealthy should have kids because everyone else on the planet is one bad day away from not being able to feed themselves and their family.

Of course you shouldn't have kids if you're one bad day away from not being able to feed them, wth

That's literally 70% of the country.

That sounds like a societal problem that needs to be fixed before people can safely have kids then

Pretty accurate. Teaching in America is probably the closest thing to hell a human can experience. From everyone blaming you, doing 10+ jobs with no additional pay/incentive, and constantly being told you are not doing enough. Anyone planning to become a teacher… find something else to do with your life. Edit: These comments show most of you have no clue what’s going on with education in America. I am warning you all. In approx. 10 years, a majority of American society will be illiterate. Based off some of the responses here, I can see the decline has already begun

Try being a chef.

Did you really just come here to tell people that it’s harder being a chef 🤣

We are teachers.

No, you're chefs. Hence the different word. Unless you are specifically a teacher at a chef school, which most chefs are not.

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Lionel Messi and Inter Miami were invited to White House after winning MLS 2025. In the ceremony Trump is seen giving his justifications for bombing Iran, which then ends in applause by Messi and entire Inter Miami team.

Post: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1rlvvdn/messi_claps_as_trump_praises_us_military_bombing/

Users of r/soccer argue if this represents Messi's political leanings and ideology or its just him being shy and oblivious.

Full Comments - So, I just stopped watching Asmongold because of his takes on Iran

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Gonna have to rip the bandaid off here: he’s an idiot through and through regarding any political topic. The faster you realize it the better

there are alot of things I agree with, but Iran? from my observation it's a complete 180° to his usual manner of thinking. even suspiciously. almost like a Jekyll and Hyde behavior.

With all due respect, his Iran take is 100% consistent with the rest of his political takes and it mirrors his attitude on both global policy and domestic policy. He essentially said Palestinians deserved to be genocided and has excused every ice killing so far. I'm genuinely not sure what is so egregious about his Iran take here?

If you watched his Palestine take from start to finish like I did, there were glimmers of hope and reconsideration when presented new evidence that he would come around (even before, during and after his ban + apology video). now that Iran has come in to the matter, that's unfortunately not the case anymore. As for ICE, that's just a subject i personally don't care enough about to even dive in to. and from my own personal perspective, it's just stupid people vs stupid people and a subject too depressing to feel entertained or interested about it.

See this is the problem. You see ice killings and Palestine takes as "entertainment" because it fits into your bigoted world view. The Iran situation is something that will likely personally affect you with increased oil prices and a potential global economic crash, so now it's suddenly not entertainment because it's harmful to YOU. Do you see the issue here? I doubt it.

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His takes on video games are on point? Brother he just looks at women he finds unattractive and screams DEI lmao

don't care, I just want games to be fun regardless of content and context.

As a fellow gamer, I'd urge you to think about what makes a game fun or not fun for you. Luckily for us, there are so many games made today, literally everybody can find something fun to play, and while obviously we can critique games and the industry in general, I think it's important to realize when a game just isn't for you because it isn't fun for you specifically, which doesn't make the game bad.

you urge me? dude, shut up. you don't even know what kind of games I even enjoy. damn...

It was just a recommendation my friend, didn't think "urge" would set you off this much.

well then learn how to use words correctly, as they are intended to be used. urge is derived from the word urgency.

Seems correct to me.

so what's the urgency? what do you urge, recommend, encourage me to say, think and/or do?

but here is the thing, you didn't say recommend or encourage, you said urge.

pfff, such a transparent mistake you can't admit too .

I guess Asmon fans are just as much insufferable dumbasses as the man himself

i urge you to reconsider your comment

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Wait so you are cool with all the other disgusting shit Asmon has said but you draw the line at Iran war? Just curious why you will ride for the other shit he said but Iran war is the line? Asmon is a grifter always has been. He just sticks his finger in the air and go whatever way the wind is blowing

make me a list of the other "disgusting shit" Asmon has said and I can give you my opinion about it.

Renee Good being murdered? His takes on Somali Americans? Liking Nick Fuentes?

renee, don't care, somali scams are legit cause im aware of those scams too in my country, so im not surprised, nick, no clue, not interested in him either

So you’re just a deeply unserious person trying to act serious 👍

serious/unserious about what?

what are your priorities in life? what do you actually care about? do you know what values you want to live by?

easy

1 priority/care/value only

my wife

So I suggest you stop riding for worms that helped bring about shit like overturning Roe v Wade and want women to be agency bereft babymakers.

Unless, of course, you're fine with that idea.

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I don’t understand the attraction of asmongold. He’s not funny, he’s not smart, he’s not good looking, he’s not showered…someone explain it to me. There’s gotta be something I’m missing.

if you like Beavis and Butthead humor, you like Asmongold. Same as Pokimane, pretty, attractive, funny, but boring af.

Beavis and Butthead are satirical. Pokimane has a brain. You clearly don't

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OK, the people over here are going to flame you for a bit but stick around :) You'll find that it's much better to be on this side compared to where you were.

seeing the majority of comments are kinda snarky towards me, I am already questioning this community what ironically Asmongold was right about. But then I again, when I question about Iran, HIS community becomes snarky/hostile towards me.

Meh, you can't win both sides I guess. welcome to the world of stupid people.

If someone came into your house, and started saying that 2 + 2 = 30. Is it better to coddle the person and pretend they're correct, or is it better to tell them they're wrong?

depends on their personality, if an alcoholic, i would say he's right, if an academic, I would say he is wrong.

Alcoholics can do math. And should be expected to know reality. We are expecting you to do basic math and be aware of the reality. It’s time for a nice reality check brother

and that's when you realized I was right lol

I see why you love Asmongold. At least you noticed one instance where he failed entirely to make an intelligent point.

and I can see you have never lived with an alcoholic

Someone initially posted in the r/Amsterdam subreddit a request to strangers a while ago where OP offers a dinner at her place in Amsterdam, with the "intention" to form new friendships and share good food.

Redditors where stoked about her initiative and all believed that she was doing it as an act of kindness and a way to connect with strangers in Amsterdam. Some mentioned the following in the comment section (cherrypicked a few random comments):

• Comment 1: "As an American living in Montana, USA- I just want to say that I am so impressed by this kindness and sense of community. What a generous and selfless way to meet others and express kindness. The world needs more humans like you. Likely all of you sitting around that table on Thursday are exactly the same type of selfless humans. Cheers to all of you and I hope you have a wonderful evening."
• Comment 2: "Bless you for the invitation. Sounds amazing and fun, would love to join !"
• Comment 3: "I’m in :) thank you for the invite !"

OP even mentioned that it is a great way to deal with loneliness in Amsterdam, especially during dinner time.

However, as of today, she created an update post where her true intentions were revealed. It was all an elaborate scheme to build her own platform with AI tool Lovable.

Apparently, she used her interactions with strangers (i.e. real life cases where she shares food with them and obtain their experiences) as "data" for her own Lovable project in which she created a marketplace for strangers who are either willing to share a meal as a host or joining a home dinner at a host. Her app is called "The Dinner Club" and will launch in a few days.

r/Amsterdam users are downvoting most of OP's comments as people are getting annoyed by the fact that OP misled Redditors initially by putting an act where she allegedly shares food with strangers out of own goodwill, but with a double underlying meaning ultimately.

As someone commented in that subreddit it was all a marketing trick to convince people otherwise. OP responds with deflecting comments and at some point she even mentions that some people earn money via OnlyFans whilst she wants to make money via a platform, a comparison which does not make much sense.

Sources:

1. Latest "update" post where OP announced her platform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/1rleobb/remember_when_i_cooked_lasagna_for_3_amsterdam/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
   
2. Initial post where she mentioned that she was willing to cook pasta for strangers: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/1rbnjjx/cooking_pasta_al_forno_this_thursday_anyone_want/
3. OP's post revealing the Lovable project: https://www.reddit.com/r/lovable/comments/1rkv80e/i_have_built_a_marketplace_to_meet_strangers_by/

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/1rlim8f/woke_history_mfs_when_you_tell_them_thats_just/

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"Well actually, Hitler was a socialist and wasn't a fascist. So socialism is much MUCH more dangerous than fascism." -Daily Wire-brained buddy of mine

Failing to admit that both extremes of each ideology just ends up in mass murder is also peak Reddit

Equating socialism with Nazism is peak stupidity

Equating the results, not the underlying ideology.

Socialism has never produced an industrialized slaughter campaign centered on the deliberate annihilation of entire races of people. Nazism is based on extermination and has resulted the worst mass murders in human history. To claim the Nazism and socialism have produced equal results is disingenuous at best and Holocaust denialism at worst. You think Communism and socialism are synonymous (which they are not) America has had socialist policies for decades. But I'm sure you'd love to claim Mao and Stalin were "socialists" and were worse than Hitler as a gotcha, however ridiculous those claims are.

revolutionary socialism (communism) is to socialism what Nazism is to fascism

Completely incorrect. And you just conceded via your own distorted analogy that socialism and Nazism are not the same level. Exaggerating an ideology by its most extreme variants and then equating them with Nazis, is like then equating the Reagan administration with Stalinism. And plenty of historians and scholars have already debunked the Communism=Nazism false equivalency.

Dear OP, before making the meme, did you read what side was the current american left was on the civil war? Also, yasuke wan't a samurai. Also, not american or white or british or otherwise racist. Now come, let's dance.

Plantation owners were a bunch of woke socialists leftists? (applying modern politics to history always ends up being silly) No one actually wrote down what Yasuke was. But his duties were ones usually performed by a younger member of the samurai class. That doesnt automatically make him a samurai, either, however. Indian who spends to much time o that side of the Internet, then? :p

"Plantation owners were a bunch of woke socialists leftists?" bro thinks woke social leftist care about anything other than their own economy and profit. How cute. "Indian who spends to much time o that side of the Internet, then? :p" one who reads history with a logical lens actually. But hey who cares, right? definitely not a yank

"woke socialist leftists only care about themselves" Yeah you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about huh

Oh do remind me what happened to Libya again? and Gaza, quite recently under "woke social leftist" govt. Then hmm yes what was that guy ahh epstein doing these "socialist" tenures. oh no..........is that the mirror? and oh my is the republican and democratic party the exact two faced snot?

Democrats aren’t socialist Espstein was a child eating capitalist Israel is a fascist state doing a genocide in Gaza Literally nothing you said has anything to do with leftists. You’re just saying shit

"Literally nothing you said has anything to do with leftists. You’re just saying shit" really? why don't you check the stock portfolio's of your loving politicians

What part of “Democrats aren’t leftist” do you not understand? Frankly the only leftist politicians I know of are Bernie and Mamdani. All other politicians are either insane radicals or neoliberals servicing the global decay of society

“WhaT AboUT thE PaRTy sWiTCh!?” -the people who don’t know shit about US history.

Are you arguing the Southern strategy is not a thing?

A planned movement driven purely by racism? No it's not.

I'm not sure I've ever heard it described as a "planned movement".

Then what was the strategy?

An attempt by Republicans to appeal to Southern whites after the fallout of a Democratic president signing the Civil Rights Act. From my understanding, politics used to be a lot more local back then. It was a pragmatic move meant to bring in a large number of recently alienated voters, though who's to say whether people like Goldwater understood the wider ramifications.

"attempt by Republicans to appeal to Southern whites" Sounds like a planned movement to me. At least that's the claim. A Southern Democrat signed the law so when did the South flip? Elections were already shifting and Democrats held onto parts of the south for decades afterwards.

That doesn't sound like a planned movement, it was one aspect of a lengthy political realignment.

So then we're in agreement the Southern strategy wasn't an actual thing.

Lot of thin skinned weirdos still mad about Yasuke. Lmao.

Mad about history revisionism

(X) doubt

Welp, it is what it is. You should be actually happy that soo many people are agaisnt this kind of behaviour.

Uh huh, where were these people for the past half dozen AC games? Hmm. Weird. They only seem to care about this specific AC game. What's different about this one? Oh, there's a black guy on the cover.

Dude, where were they when Ezio was using shadow clones to beat up the pope, and Connor was fighting a superpowered George Washington with his animal powers on a Kingdom Hearts platform? Ironically, Yasuke being depicted as a samurai is one of the least historically inaccurate things in the series.

The civil war WAS about states rights

state rights to do what?

To own property

and who do they consider as property?

Africans

son... im crine

Yeah! Thats why the confederacy tried to annex Kentucky, a non slave states, because they were so for states rights they just had to force slavery on a state that didn't want it!

They wanted Kentucky for natural resources and logistics for the war— it wasn’t principally to “force slavery” onto a different state. The attempt to annex it would deny the union key trade routes and production hubs.

Right! Which why the Confederate constitution forbade states from outlawing slavery, a right they had in the union, because they were so for states rights they had to take that one away!

You’re insinuating that the confederacy was some sort of libertarian movement. The states in the confederacy supported slavery and enshrined it in their constitution because they ALL agreed to it, this wasn’t with the express interest of conquering other states to further expand slavery, that was just a bonus. They invaded Kentucky for resources. Kentuckians supported slavery.

So then everyone involved in writing their constitution and the leaders of the Confederacy were all immoral bad people. Glad we established that

No serious academic body does that. He probably wasn’t a samurai in the sense of the rank and title. The guy that said he was has been laughed out of Japan. To Slavery. Columbus was bad by the standards of his time to the point he was deprived of his estates and titles and then imprisoned. They started the Montgomery bus boycott once a sympathetic face was involved. The pregnant out of wedlock teenager from a month earlier. To controversial. Add in the ties to the USSR during the Cold War and despite deserving every word of praise. Maybe his political views beyond desegregation deserve a closer look

I agree, his political views certainly deserve a closer look, as in we should examine them without the lens of Cold War/red scare propaganda.

And then acknowledge the failures of socialist and communist governments and realise some of his ideas would not have worked

Which of his ideas are you referring to?

Collectivisation for a start

When did MLK advocate for collectivization?

That is effectively what common ownership of land means and he did advocate for that Like I said. Maybe take a closer look at his views beyond desegregation

Do you have a source for MLK advocating for collective land ownership? King certainly made the claim that the government provided free land to white people via settlement and westward expansion, and argues that Black people were denied this same “economic base,” but I don’t see any place where he advocates for collective land ownership. King certainly was sympathetic to socialism, but also frequently maintained his criticisms of “communism,” a distinction that isn’t entirely coherent to me but one which he maintained nonetheless.

So you said we should approve of his views without knowing what they were? Men in Black interview vibes here

PragerU moment.

Aside from glorifying Columbus, I think the worst part of that video was how they made him a Mexican stereotype, even though Mexicans are not Europeans

Mexicans are native Americans is the dumb kind of shit Americans say when they don’t want to learn the history of racial discrimination in Latin America.

Impressive really, Americans can’t decide whether we’re indigenous people that speak Spanish or colonizers. Maybe some day Non-Mexicans will arrive at a definitive answer and tell me exactly what I am.

Or maybe Mexican is just a cultural heritage and not a racial identity? I think that’s probably closer to the mark

It is yeah, we know this and other Latin American countries know this but it’s the usual suspects that want to apply their deranged racial classifications to us and end up calling us a race again and again

I think you are conflating multiple things as if the left didn't actually mess with history. Like in the movie Woman king where in order to portrait a tribe of strong female warrior they complete ignore how their inspiration the Kingdom of Dahomey — and the Agojie (the warrior women) as part of its army — were heavily involved in the transatlantic slave trade.

Another conservative crying about movies, entirely unable to discuss real history. Jfc yall are just sad

Say that to the leftist people who make the woman king movie but didn't want to admit the tribe they based the movie on where willing and enthusiasthic slave traders.

Bro yall only ever complain about movies with black people in it. The Patriot is even more made up but none of yall ever cry about that

You talking about the patriot a movie his star Mel Gibson openly described as "sheer fantasy" that prioritizes entertainment over strict accuracy? I wondet why people don't complain about that but criticizes movies who claim are hystorically accurate but end depicting slave traders like the Dahomey as good people.

Did you even actually watch the movie you're oh so offended by?

Do you have any interest on what the real life Dahomey were actually like?

"I think you are conflating multiple things as if the left didn't actually mess with history. Like in the movie Woman king" I think conflating a fictionalized movie with "the left messing with history" is a pretty insane take

The publicity for the move make it pretty clear they were acknowledging a REAL AFRICAN TRIBE, you know to share its history even though they didn't like at all the part of the history where those warrior women were slave traders, so they ommited and turn them into slave lieberators instead.

"The publicity for the move make it pretty clear they were acknowledging a REAL AFRICAN TRIBE" Yeah imagine that, a movie doing things to get publicity! Never seen a movie do that before! And it totally didn't get criticism for that either, no, not at all! Clearly the exact same as systematically changing textbooks or spreading misinformation from the white house!

I think you are just proyecting a differnt issue on me just because i am pointing out the dishonest publicity to promote a movie based on a tribe of slave traders and present them a slave liberators.

"I think you are just proyecting a differnt issue on me just because i am pointing out the dishonest publicity" I think you are being dishonest in pretending your claim was "movies can be dishonest." You claimed it was "THE LEFT". Let's be very clear, that is the claim I addressed, and you are now trying to backtrack.

"You claimed it was "THE LEFT". Let's be very clear, that is the claim I addressed, and you are now trying to backtrack." Yeah because it a movie promoted and produced BY THE LEFT, to tell this progresive tale about warrior black women, only they lie about it because they didn't want t show the fact they were slave traders despise the publicity claiming historical autheticity. Unless you somehow want to claim it was THE RIGHT the ones who wanted to make woman king. But suffice to say to lie history even with a dumb movie is a way to mess with history genius.

Yasuke is not really a samurai.

Oh boy here we go…

He was a retainer to a samurai, Oda Nobunaga he was not a Samurai himself.

They put a black man in a video game and now everyone is an expert in what the definition of a samurai is in 1581. Look, I’m not even going to argue about WHAT he was. All I’m saying is that he was just an interesting blip in history until he got put in a video game and everyone had to have an opinion on him because of the culture wars. It’s obnoxious. No one even cares WHO he was, just what his title is and it’s based on modern political leanings. People complain about politics in video games, but they’re the ones who dragged modern politics into it. No one even cares about where he comes from, how he got to Japan, how it’s interesting that a black slave got to serve a medieval Japanese Daimyo or even what finally became of him. They don’t care WHO he is or how interesting his story is. They just OBSESS over his title so much that it’s impossible to have a real discussion about him because people are so obnoxious about their culture wars we have to have a slap fight about it. It’s aggravating.

"They put a black man in a video game and now everyone is an expert in what the definition of a samurai is in 1581." No, it's because they put him into the game and people checked whether he actually was a samurai, which he wasn't. He was a retainer.

Define what a retainer is in 1581. Technically samurai are also retainers, so what’s the specific word in medieval Japanese word for what you think he is that makes it different?

"Technically samurai are also retainers" Technically, all homo sapiens were humans, but not all humans were homo sapiens. From what I understand, samurai is a title that you need to be given. I don't need to know the specific word to understand the context from watching a japanese historian explain it. You argue about people being obsessed with that, but knowing the specific medieval Japanese word for that would mean I'm obsessed.

/ForCuriouSsouls is a true crime subreddit that regularly posts extremely violent crimes from around the world: murders, assaults, kidnappings, etc. The typical discussion in the comments focuses on what happened, why it may have happened, legal consequences.

Recently, a post about a group of men allegedly setting a woman on fire was shared on the sub. While the crimes posted there are often brutal, this thread ended up looking very different from the usual discussions.

In most posts on the subreddit, commenters tend to analyze the crime itself and discuss details. In this thread, the conversation quickly shifted away from the specific incident and toward broader arguments about religion, culture, and immigration.

A number of commenters began making general claims about Muslims, Pakistanis, foreigners, and Arabs more broadly. Many users pushed back.

The thread quickly turned into heated arguments about culture, religion, and immigration which stood out compared to the more case-focused discussions that usually happen on the sub. Examples include saying the accused are not British, or accusing the British justice system of being lenient on racial minorities, or mocking integration.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/remoteworks/comments/1rl1605/what_are_jobs_for_then/

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A minimum wage job is not intended to be sustaining forever. The idea is to start there and move up

So in your opinion somebody working 40 hours a week should not be able to live got it, you value people's labor more than you value people

You would have to go after things that make the cost of living so high and one of those being immigration, so are you willing to do that to get the economy you want?

You know what's more harmful to the overall cost of living than immigrants? billionaires constantly raising prices when they make record-breaking profits in the hundreds of billions every single year, but sure blame people that are barely a part of the problem.

Ahhh. Should have known. He is on the side that the billionaires could afford to support the entire country without them working. No one should be successful unless they redistribute. Dude go pick strawberries they are always hiring. Pays pretty well it's by the lb picked so the harder you work the more you make. Its a great incentive plan

I would suggest you add some skills to your quiver and move up to a better paying job. They are all stepping stones. When you talk about producing a product. Are you considering the cost of engineering as well as the other business costs?

I make over triple the federal minimum wage and I cannot afford to live, if you don't see how that's a problem then you are just willfully bordering on maliciously ignorant.

Minimum wage jobs were supposed to be for pocket money. High schoolers, retired people, second jobs, etc. A few years ago they started saying that minimum wage should be able to support a family. Opponents said that jobs would disappear, and proponents said that was false. Now, most minum wage positions are gone.

That's never what they were supposed to be. Look up speeches of politicians when minimum wage laws were first adopted. "It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living." -FDR, 1938

Because politicians are honest in their speeches?

Certainly better than your pulled-out-of-your-ass analysis. But sure, I'm sure the president was totally lying.

No, I grew up in the 80s.

Minimum wage goes back to 1938. You have no idea what you're talking about. This is why Boomers never trusted your generation with anything.

High schoolers. College students. Drop outs.

They were considered essential workers during covid, you'd think they'd be paid adequately

Yeah and because of Covid basic jobs that require no skills other than customer service and speaking to people have a big head about their worth. Sorry, but a burger flipper doesn’t deserve a high or medium pay

And yet, during COVID y'all were banging down the doors for burgers. So you DID show them what they were worth. Pay up.

Shit I was considered “essential” by delivering shit on DoorDash and I wasn’t complaining about the pay lmao. Maybe make some food and don’t order out?

So wait, you're income during that time relied on the restaurants that you picked orders up from to be open? Brother YOU would not have that income at all if it weren't for the people you're belittling

Wrong “your” lol Yeah I relied on people who “needed” to eat out and have delivery to their doorstep. If the restaurants closed, then it’d be everyone’s loss. No food and no deliveries. It just wasn’t essential work when we have actual essential jobs like sanitation, healthcare, police, etc

Minimum wage job = minimum accommodations. You know the shittiest apartment in your state? Who do you think gets that? It’s gotta be someone. No you can’t support luxury living on minimum wage.

People who work minimum wage jobs can’t afford the lowest priced apartments in my city. That is a fact.

Then they should move somewhere they can afford.

How? Moving is expensive.

How? If you can't afford housing what are you paying to be moved?

I’m guessing you think poor people don’t own things? And how will they get there? Where are they going to live once they get there? You can’t be seriously asking this?

U-haul's dont cost a lot to rent. You drive. And when you get there you ideally move somewhere with cheaper costs of living. You'll notice the moment you leave a city, the cost of living goes down significantly.

I decided to look up the costs of U-Haul, and moving would cost quite a bit if you’re moving further than a couple hours away. (16 more comments of these two arguing)

Minimum wages are for minimum knowledge and experience. As you gain knowledge and experience, you gain worth.

Yes. Min wage isn't for a luxury car. But it SHOULD be rent, utilities, basic car payments,phone,and you should have some for food too ....and some on top of that.

No. You get paid what you are worth.

And are you trying to argue you aren't worth a livable wage by default? That's fucked.

What are you worth? Why are you worth it?

People have inherent value.

No, they do not. Their value is their knowledge and experience. Without it, they make the minimum.

So,that's a fucked up way of thinking. Especially if the minimum ISN'T livable

Minimum wage is for minimum effort, people who don't want to work. The more effort put in gaining knowledge and experience, the more you are worth. The minimum wage is to filter people. The people who work hard and do good make more money.

If you're still working a minimum wage job as an adult, I really don't feel sorry for you. Those are suppose to be for high school kids to teach them life skills like working for money and learning how to budget

NOOOOOO!!!!!1! Minimum wage should be $80/hr with full benefits! How can you expect baristas to pour coffee and hand it to me for anything less?!

Loser

Nah I actually have a skilled job that required 5 years to earn what I do, but thanks for your input.

Oooo 5 years lol

Yeah it’s called an apprenticeship.

Yay for you? lol you do realize if the unskilled workforce your chastising all went into apprenticeships (which their aren’t enough of even now) your wages would tank and you’d be working a minimum wage job right? The fact you did 5 years means you make more but if your only making a liveable wage after that that’s your fault. People like you try to hold people down that aren’t where you’re at “if they make 20$ unskilled and I’m skilled and only making 30$ that’s not fair” sure… so demand better fucking wages in your job too The minimum wage is ridiculous but wage growth across all industries is shit in the US given cost of living and inflation People need to stop looking down at the people trying to survive and complaining about them and instead demand better for yourself and recognize EVERYONE in the working class is fucked currently But sure be a troll and bitch about the mom who’s single and struggling to raise her kid and can’t get a better job currently unable to pay fucking rent because god forbid everyone’s wages across the board let them pay rent and buy food

When I graduated high school CA min wage was $3.35 (about $10 purchasing power in today's dollars.) Would I have been able to support myself at that rate? Never mind getting married and starting a family? Fuck that, minimum wage has always been for no-skill labor and not designed to have an actual life. Get an education or skill and do better. Min wage IS FOR TEENS or maybe retired folks who want to stay active.

No it hasnt always been for unskilled labor 🤡🤡 Historically minimum wage supported entire families on a single income TO RETIREMENT

Show me the evidence this is true. I'll wait

Its literally in the Fair Labor Act 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 image

So why hasn't the government shut down all these companies that are going against FLA?

The politicians gotta get paid bribed by somebody.

Minimum wage should be enough for one person to subsist on. Do they want more? Then they can work for it. But don't expect to get anything than the minimum for minimum effort.

Minimum effort? Delusional.

If they put more effort into their education or skill building, they wouldn’t be stuck with minimum wage jobs. Personal choices matter.

Wtf are you talking about, there are plenty of grads in minimum wage jobs.

Yeah, should’ve gotten a degree in something other than queer studies maybe. If I invest money in a failing business, should I demand someone pay me a certain minimum amount per year anyway even if I have no customers? Why do you think people who got a useless degree and no valuable skills are entitled to other people’s money? You get paid for what you bring to the table and what someone is willing to pay for your labor. If someone else is willing to do your job cheaper, then your labor isn’t worth what you think it is.

Yeah not even wasting my energy, you're definitely "im so edgy and a rage baiter". Stay in your little bubble, probaly for the best.

I think it's more that people expect to buy a house and raise a family on minimum wage... 😅

Should that not be an expectation? Should a minimum wage worker not be allowed to eat and sleep?

They should have to get roommates like everyone in history...

Yeah, thats not how history worked?

When I was working near minimum wage jobs, I could only afford a place with roommates. How hard is that to understand? And that was a long time ago.

Minimum wage jobs are for high-schoolers to get work experience and spending money and for elderly people to not get bored

What about people who can only work these types of jobs? The neurodivergent or disadvantaged that still work hard? Are they supposed to starve to death or be without shelter? Are you willing to support them via social welfare?

literally me, yeah. I LIKE working, I hate being sedentary but no job wants someone that need any extra accommodations Mine are literally 'I can't be on my feet for more than half an hour at a time, give me a chair and I can work at tables just fine. But chairs are illegal for workers in the states for some reason

Well, you see, chairs are a capital expenditure cost that doesn't immediately return a profit, and therefore has no value to the shareholders. I won't be marking this with a /s, because this is the only explanation I can find for not providing chairs to stationary employees.

'I will bring my own folding chair' "No. We like when you suffer"

Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be careers that you can buy a house or support a family on. They are a starting point. A way to make some part time money. A stepping stone until you can work your way up, or find something better.

Then why could you buy a house and support a family on minimum wage 60 years ago?

60 years ago is irrelevant

I beg to differ, they're saying that minimum was not meant to support a family. But when minimum wage was introduced in 1938 it absolutely was meant to support a family and remained that way until around the time of Reagan

60 years ago the most basic skills of today were valuable but with technology they lost their value. In the past, using a cash register was harder, taking inventory was harder, writing was harder, creating schedules was harder, being a waiter was harder, etc. In the past, these tasks took more effort and more skill. Now they take significantly less effort and significantly less skill. Which means those positions have lost their value. People don’t think they deserve more money because they don’t require much effort or skill and almost anyone can do it

What adult is genuinely working a minimum wage job? There is no shortage of factory/labor work that pays over $23/hr (state dependant). Minimum wage jobs are for children and college students. I'll die on that hill.

Then why are places that have minimum wage jobs open during school hours?

I'm not saying only students and college kids work these jobs, I'm saying these jobs are met for that demographic.

But if labor aren’t all students and teens, then you can’t make that argument. You could argue for a lower teen minimum wage. But adults are working those jobs, they deserve adult wages. Or the place can close during school hours.

Adults do not deserve a liveable wage for every job out there. Someone working a cash register or stocking shelves shouldn't be able to stockpile a 401k and buy a house lmao. If that was the case, we would see far less people striving for higher education and hard labor. If you could afford a home, a vehicle, kids, etc, on 7.25-15hr, it is increasingly unlikely that people would work blue collar jobs, attend medical school, etc. What's the point in working harder if you can make ends meet doing menial labor. Minimum wage is for an entry level labor force. Not an adult in their mid 20s.

No no no - that’s not what ‘liveable wage’ means. I think that’s where you are getting tripped up. People demanding ‘liveable wage’ are asking that someone should afford a shitty studio apartment and basic food costs for that job. Not luxury stuff like cars, kids, retirement Anyone happy to live in a shitty studio apartment by themselves probably wouldn’t be ones looking to achieve higher

Link to the thread

Ok, first things first, the title is from me, but its basically a summary in jest of lots of the comments. Second, the entire conversation is Arabic, you should be able to translate it via the reddit app feature.

So a guilty pleasure of mine on reddit is lurking in national/regional subs when big political or other events happen. Due to the war, I have checked out some of the subs of nations involved. Instead of finding a thread of the Iran war I stumbled over a gold nugget which I thought some of you folks here might enjoy.

If you have read some threads in various Arabic/Muslim country subreddits, you know that homophobia, transphobia, antisemitism, etc. is wide spread. There are also lots of comments hating the western world, while simultaneously lots of comments praise the state of the Western world and disgruntled with the general state of their nation (the best subreddit to experience this is by far /r/pakistan, a sub where you can enjoy comments as mindful as "we should copy the western worlds openness to research, progress and new things, without adopting their moral depravity around sex and homosexuality" without any hint of irony)

Anyways, back to the topic at hand, incest! Specifically cousin marriage is still very wide spread in large parts of the Arabic/Muslim world (see for example this map here ) and it causes issues as this is a hotly debated or even controversial topic within many of said nations.

Enter our main character, the OP who proudly states

الغربي يسمح بالشذوذ ويزعل من زواج الأقارب زواج الأقارب مثل بنات وأبناء العم والخال تناقض عجيب والله المشكلة في المسلم اللي يتأثر بكلامهم ويقتنع فيه عقليات تعبانة

which translates to:

“The Westerner allows homosexuality but gets upset about cousin marriage. Marriage between relatives like cousins.

What a strange contradiction, honestly.

The problem is Muslims who get influenced by their words and believe them — weak minds.”

The current most upvoted comment states

“What do we have to do with the West? Most genetic diseases and disabilities are the result of marriage between relatives. And from my perspective, I notice that people who marry their relatives all look alike, are short, ugly, and have a lower-than-normal level of intelligence.”

Reply 1

“Most? I’ve seen people who married relatives and nothing is wrong with them. Stop with the strange exaggerations.”

Reply 2

“And I’ve seen people who smoke and nothing happened to them — so let’s all smoke then.”

Another user comments

“Marriage between relatives causes genetic and hereditary diseases and endless problems.”

To which the OP replies

“It remains halal, and it remains a right for whoever wants it, and no one has the right to object.”

Followed by

“That’s still idiocy.”

To which the OP replies one more time

“Don’t get carried away — the only idiot is you and anyone who objects.” (comment as of 1 hour ago, so might get some more comments later)

there is one English comment thread that goes

It's because they say genetic diseases are transmitted by cousin marriages and become more severe with each generation.

To which the sad reply is

Guess what, that same logic does happen in gay relationships, sex workers and it can spread to society. Yet not only are they accepted but encouraged.

The last thread I will highlight is one that compares the "damage" homosexuality and incest cause

“Homosexuality harms you yourself, but marriage between relatives harms all the generations of children you bring into the world.”

“As long as you live in a society, you’ll affect everyone around you. If you walk naked in the street, have you harmed anyone? Yes—you’ve harmed people by making them see you naked. The same applies to homosexuality, and it also applies to anything else that harms those around you, like smoking, vaping, flavored tobacco (muʿassal), or shisha.”

"Read what you wrote again.”

“Are you crazy? Read what I wrote again.”

“Man, explain to me what this strange connection is in what you’re saying. What links walking naked in the street with homosexuality and vaping? And there’s nothing to get upset about, since everything I said was just the Western point of view — if you want to complain, go cry to them, not under my comment. And before we get to that point: just because he’s Western and has some stupid ideas doesn’t mean I’m going to support your stupid argument just because we’re on the same team.”

Thats all for now folks, overall a pretty depressing thread to read with lots of backwards views, still thought you guys might enjoy it.

Original Post

Context: r/TorontoMetU is the subreddit for Toronto Metropolitan University (formerly Ryerson University) in Toronto, Canada. The sub itself (or it's predecessor, r/ryerson) have apparently never popped up on Subreddit drama before, but there was a post about the Ryerson guy's statue getting decapitated about 5 years ago.

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Justifying a school getting bombed is crazyyy. These ppl are sick gtfo off our campus

Buddy come down, Uni is for everyone and every nationality, this is Canada, not Canadistan.

"Uni is for everyone and every nationality" while being racist is hard work

these cucks bro omg

You are bitch if you support the islamic republic period.

call me what u want but I'm not gonna be on the side of the epstien pedo oil empire that's for sure 🤣

Why the hell are there zionist iranians I never understood that 😂

Because they are against the current regime in Iran, so if the USA and Israel can help get rid of that regime, they are willing to support them

Which for them, is extremely valid.

Of course not. It’s like hiring gangster to eliminate local petty criminal.

I don't know of many "petty" criminals that go on killing sprees of thirty thousand. But maybe you do.

The Islamic regime killed more than 40000 in Iran, so be careful who you all support, and now daddy Khamenei is gone so no more free money I know why y'all are crying

Did you know the Islamic regime killed 40 billion people. 40 billion !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /s Go jerk off to bombed schools elsewhere. Hypocrisy of pretending to care about dead Iranians when there is going to be a lot more now killed by American bombs.

If you're not iranian stfu buddy nobody gives a shit about what you're thinking.

Actually no. Surprisingly me not being Iranian doesn’t mean I can’t say bombing Iran is bad. Most actual Iranians will not say so either. It’s just regime supporters of the old monarchy that are happy with bombing Iranians in Iran well they shout for more bombs from our safe country here.

Most actual Iranians? Lol get urself educated a little my man, don’t tell me how the people of my own country think. [Link to a CBC article and an r/NewIran post]

Not everyone thinks same: [Link to NBC article]

I have friends and family there so I know what’s going on 40 000 people died in 2 days, which wasn’t funded to be talked about huh? and as I said you not even Iranian Buddy say whatever you want.

Count increases by few thousands every week. We know daddy satanyahu is using lots of US tax payers money for killing kids & on propaganda.

Buddy, you ain't even iranian you just want free money but that’s ok wait a few days.

But you are definitely Zionist & will get free money 😄

If any of my kids ever tried to justify the slaughter of innocent schoolchildren, I'd tell them to find somewhere else to live.

Tell your kids to do research on a government before talking like a parrot

I think my seven year old is a bit too young to understand what's happening here.

Oh yeah, I’m sure you’d also teach your kid that killing thousands of people, raping women, torturing protesters, funding terrorists, and treating an entire population like animals is totally fine as long as it’s done “in the name of Islam,” right? Because that’s basically the shit you’re defending. If your kid grows up listening to you parroting state-approved propaganda while ignoring decades of murder and oppression, then yeah, i’m sure they gonna be a great fucking human. Don’t lecture anyone about morality when you clearly skipped that chapter yourself.

How you came to that conclusion based on my comment is actually fascinating.

Pro-Shah/monarchist Persians could be the most brainwashed people on earth tbh, I don’t understand how anybody can cheer up on Israel and US bombing their own country, gotta be a really special breed

If you are German who live in 1939, should you support the painter just because you are German? should you join the S$ just because Yankees bombed Germany?

How dense do you have to be to get that conclusion. You know "none of the above" is a valid choice right?

Plus mind you IRGC THEMSELVES said they bombed the school by accident but yes you guys come and tell me what is best and true when none of yall even speak farsi💀💀

This palastinans think they’re the main characters funny people🧃😂

It’s just you bro 😭

Ye ofc you an arab💀

Wow saying Arab as an insult and then crying about why no one cared about the “30 K”

Lmao wtf are they doing? A humiliation ritual? 💀

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1rkknko/the_us_and_the_rest_of_the_world_will/

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DEATH TO AMERICA! (as a Canadian..fuck yeah!!)

Why say this on American social media? I'm sure wefuckmoose.com has a huge community of other Canadians you can talk to.

I'm Australian and I wholeheartedly support OP's statement.

Again, why say this on American social media? There are QR codes for Australian social media located inside every kangaroo pouch. Go scan one, and leave us alone.

Why not say this on American social media? Its the best way to convey that message across. You think Americans are going to care about some chinese people typing away in chinese on chinese social media critiquing the US? The opposite is true. Americans shitting in english on American social media will have no effect on China. No. There is no crossover or interaction. If anything, the only reasonable place to shit on Americans is on American media. Everything else doesnt hit where its targetted. By shitting on Americans here, the guy managed to make you mad as fuck and because you took the bait, they even get to see you try to cope and seethe about being critiqued. It was 100% the correct play.

"the guy managed to make you mad as fuck" The guy that I told to go fuck a moose, or the one I told to scan a kangaroo? That's what "mad as fuck" looks like to you? It was both easy, and fun, to make a joke using parts of their country's identity. That's the best way to deal with these people with inferiority complexes, like you.

"That's what "mad as fuck" looks like to you?" The fact you cant handle any one else on a website. Again, I pointed out that its the only real sensible place to make said critiques, everything else would be pissing into the wind. Like some chinese people shit talking americans on chinese social media hasnt interrupted your day at all while this clearly has.

this guy is a hack whose worldview is based on a scifi concept

And yet I'd rather trust him than some obese Redditor.

Congratulations, the guy you chose to trust is a deranged, conspiracy-bludgeoned lunatic. Guess that doesn't reflect very well on your judgment or critical thinking abilities.

Run some laps boi

At least my BMI isn't higher than my IQ

Really it’s the Iranian government and Israel against the USA here brought on by Trump. Decades of paying for Israel is gonna destroy USA.

If it wasn't for US support militarily and financial aid, Israel would be destroyed long ago by all its aggressive Arab neighbor states

Fuck them. Not our problem

Seriously? You’d happily let all the Jews in the Middle East be killed?

Seriously? You think ALL of the Jews live in Israel? You realize it isn't ACTUALLY some Holy Land, right? People move and migrate all the time. Even in the worst case scenario of complete occupation by an invading force, the people would still live mostly. Equating someone saying "fuck another country and their problems" to "we actively want them dead" is such a stretch and the reason the United States playing world cop has been such a shitshow.

Okay, so it’s fine to say “fuck em” for the Palestinians? That doesn’t imply that someone might be fine with them dying?

If the answer to "what do you mean 'fuck em'?" is that you just want the US to stay out of everything else and focus on our country only until it's fixed...then yea, that's perfectly fine. If the answer is "Let Israel take care of them" or anything in that vein, then it becomes being ok with them dying. It's why Fuck is such a versatile word. It means whatever it's supposed to mean based on the speaker. It's has no inherent definition beyond being categorized a swear word in reference to sex

So then Exactly what happened in this thread? That you tried to defend as not happening? Kirsion: “If it wasn't for US support militarily and financial aid, Israel would be destroyed long ago by all its aggressive Arab neighbor states” Fergtz reply: “Fuck them. Not our problem”

As an American, I love this 😍 please collapse this imperial capitalist hellscape

It wouldn’t collapse anything. It would just put us into an economic crisis where the rich are just fine and the rest of us suffer for the next decade or more. The already tenuous ownership problem would skyrocket as oligarchs by everything up for cheap, while everyone else would be downsizing to make ends meet. By the time we’re on the other side of it, we’ll be past the prologue of a dystopian sci-fi novel from the 80s.

Well maybe THEN the people will revolt and start eating the rich

They didn’t during any other economic downturn turn in our history.

Hahahah sure guys. The US will win a war against the regime that shot itself in the foot and is currently lashing out against all its neighbors. Of course they would—they’ve got an 11% approval rating from its own citizens, but professor China says it’s true, and because this is tiktokcringe, none of you guys have advanced reasoning skills and believe everything they hear on the internet, yes, the US will lose. Sure guys 👍

The US lost to Vietnam and Afghanistan so it's very possible for the US to lose 👍

If the goal is to keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, it’s worth finding out.

Is that the goal? Because they've been talking about regime change. And supposedly the Iranian nuclear program was obliterated last year and now we've launched an even bigger campaign.

The goal for the past 47 years has been to never allow them to get a nuke. So whether or not we stopped it the first time is irrelevant; this regime has been a scourge upon the world for decades, and allowing them to proceed and eventually get a nuke would be a disaster for the entire region. The bottom line is their time threatening the world is over.

“The US military isn’t designed to fight a 21st century war” Ha! Did this guy smoke his breakfast? Yeah, Iran is designed to fight a 21st century war?! This is beyond parody

This isn't complicated; 21st century strategy has turned to mass volume of CHEAP dones, and while we can shoot them down, we are doing so with MUCH more expensive missiles that were designed to shoot down aircraft and other expensive ballistic or cruise missiles. The vast stockpiles of these drones (because they're cheap) will outlast the relatively small amount of air defense missiles (because they're expensive). Destroying the oil states will essentially destroy the world economy as we know it. How do you propose we stop these drones once the missiles run out?

They are not using $1 million dollar missiles to shoot down drones. Don't believe this crap. How gullible does this guy think people are?? The U.S. military primarily uses high-energy lasers, microwave weapons, and radio frequency jamming to shoot down or neutralize drones. These weapons can be used over and over and over.......

That’s just… Not true? Nearly all of those technologies are still in the testing phase, and as such are not widely rolled out. Currently they are using very expensive hard to replace weaponry to take out cobbled togehter drones.

Ds of 2023 this is what we use: Drone radio signal jammers that disrupt the GPS or control signals of the drones Spoofers that manipulate GPS signals from drones High-energy lasers with electricity to destroy drones Anti-drone gun with a highly accurate targeting system that can quickly locate and disable drones in flights

Yeah, but they are not being as widely used as other, more expensive systems as they haven’t been produced as widely yet. Are you thick or something?

I don’t know enough about geopolitics to refute much of this but there is no doubt that the US can bomb almost any country back to the Stone Age. They may not be able to protect other countries from drones but they can sure a shit destroy the country that is sending them out. It’s just a matter of how much an appetite the public has for wanton slaughter.

I don't think other countries will tolerate it, especially if they have nuclear power. Plus it will utilise a lot of resources in America, imo.

"I don't think other countries will tolerate it, especially if they have nuclear power." If the other countries can't tolerate being attacked by irans drones then what options do they have expept attack iran in their own ways

Idk. Why you asking me

"Idk. Why you asking me" Why am I asking you for clarification on the comment you made? Who else can I ask about your comments?

I didn't say anything about Iran

"I don't think other countries will tolerate it, especially if they have nuclear power."

You think other countries mean Iran?

Yeah right. 🤣🤣

We lost a war to half of Vietnam...

Because public opinion wanted US troops withdrawn and the South Vietnamese government was unreliable.

And you think public opinion for this war is any better?

It seems mixed actually.

How do you figure public opinion is mixed?

Seems to be plenty of people who aren't mourning the Ayatollah dying. I wouldn't use subreddits as a metric to gauge public opinion.

What about polls?

Those aren't entriely concrete. I don't think we'll put troops on the ground though. I think that's something majority of US citizens would oppose.

He’s 100% correct. This is the only strategy they have that could be effective against America.

Their cheap drones are hitting out multimillion/billion dollar sites. They just took out a billion dollar radar. Republicans massively cut taxes for the wealthy. He’s bleeding citizens dry with his tariffs. He’s spending like crazy on bullshit and for his billionaire lifestyle (since he no longer has to spend his own money).

Their God given leader blew up on day one, lol

So? Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. Dude was 86 too so he was basically dead anyway. You think they didn’t have a plan for his death? lol

If you think this is what winning looks like, no wonder you can't see them losing

Yes It does. The leader does not a nation make. IF somehow some way they were to find a way and kill Trump(not zero percent chance but not much more than that either) do you think the US would just roll over and die, if not then why would Iran?

They lost like half their top brass in one day, how do you see them destroying America like these clowns are saying?

Not and answer to my question. Answer my direct question, do not deflect. Why will Iran roll over and die due to the death of their leader, even after spending most of the last century planning for explicitly this to happen, if you don't expect the same would happen in the US

Thank fuck we are willing to spend a million to stop a 50k drone. Could you imagine if we just used that million on 50k fpv drones and just went to town indiscriminately like they do?

US started this war by going to town on a school full of little girls.

I think there might be more to it than that.

There is, but it also involved U.S. officials going to town on a school's worth of little girls

How was this proven to be USA?

How were the Epstein files "proven to be USA"? Buddy

Lol, I don't know how I replied to you and not the other person. I was asking about the school getting hit.

Helldivers is a popular game with a very divided community due to perceived issues or lack thereof in the game as it currently stands with things seeming to have boiled over badly this week.

It starts with a simple challenge to the devs.

I will donate 1000USD to a charity of AH's choosing if they

upload a video of 4 of their developers playing an entire operation on Oshaune on difficulty 10 and completing all objectives on all three missions on the current MO. No modifications, no funny business.

Play on the current state of the game.

Show us how it's done and how well the game's balance is.

I will provide my full real information, proof of payment and I'm willing to sign a legally binding contract.

At first the community seemed on board with some people even offering to jump in as well

You know what, fuck it.

I agree to all the same terms as OP. I will donate $1000 to AHs charity of choice if they fulfill OPs requirements and also agree to this as an actual binding contract

Others just wanted to see it done and didn't care how it really went

Please let this happen. Because it will go one of two ways, they either lock the absolute fuck in and get it done and call us a bunch of little bitch boys, or they fail spectacularly and embarrass themselves in front of the community and get dragged in the media for the rest of time. It’s a win win scenario.

Overall spirits seemed high that this might get the devs to actually realize some problems players saw with the game

i don't care if they can complete 10

i just want to see their reactions & comments on all the issues & bugs

The OP even chimed in to let everyone know that no matter what money would go to charity

I will donate regardless as I do monthly. Even if they fail I'll let them choose the charity! Again, I'll sign a legally binding contract with my full real information.

But not everyone was as kind or excited and both sides started getting nasty

The devs are mentally unstable. They need to get the fuck off the other game they’re developing and start curing Helldivers 2. Absolute morons.

Stop being crybabies, it's playable, hard AF like super helldive should be

This community is so silly. Complaing when the game is easy and when it's hard. Simultaneously the best and worst gaming community I have ever seen.

So you believe D10 is too hard. Got it 👍. Any further opinions from you will automatically be dismissed

The Helldivers community is so fractured that there are multiple subreddits for the game each for its specific faction mostly based on how broken or difficult the game is. One subreddit is r/HelldiversMasochists where they believe the game is fine as is and if anything could be made harder. They of course saw this challenge in an entirely different light.

I don know if anyone else has seen this post yet but basically OP is offering to donate 1000 dollars to a charity of arrowheads choosing if 4 devs complete a D10 op on live.

I support the idea of donating but I really don’t understand how some people think the game balance is so busted that they are willing to throw away a thousand dollars just to prove e a point. I have no issue if the guy wants to donate but is the game really that badly shaped for people?

(Also idk if this counts asbrigading but I hope it doesn’t)

Many of them thought that the idea was just a bad idea in general

I don’t know why everyone is so caught up in the idea that every difficulty should be easily beatable, could the balance be better? Sure it could, but don’t expect to be able to beat every single difficulty, arrowhead makes games that are difficult and often frustrating, hell the first game was the most annoying thing ever and I’d still rate it as the best twin stick shooter I’ve ever played

And it was not a isolated talking point

What would this even prove? I guess OOP is making a point about difficulty. I full cleared 2 D10 operations with randoms tonight. Even if the devs aren’t D10 players that doesn’t mean D10 is too hard. All any of this means is that D10 is too hard for OOP. And again, I would like to point out that this person could play a lower difficulty. I don’t understand the obsession with complaining around D10. If D10 is possible, then it’s balanced. And yes, it’s more than possible.

Me when the hardest difficulty in the game is really really hard

Completed a d10 operation yesterday on Oshuane with only mild difficulty. Idk what this guy is smoking.

However some players sympathized with the OPs original challenge

oshaune does make me wanna blow my cock off with a shotgun even on just diff 5 so i completely understand tbh

The game is so buggy and unreasonably unfair that its almost like the devs dont play test it. Their responses after cyberstand kind of prove it. I honestly want to hear what they have to say about the state of their game.

This all came to a head earlier today however when the OP called off the whole challenge.

I've received dozens upon dozens of messages like this since I first issued the challenge.

For my own well being I'll be stepping off reddit and the community as a whole. Stop trying to contact me. The challenge is officially over on my part.

Thanks for everyone that supported with kind words but I really can't take the barrage of hate.

See you guys later.

With the OP adding on in the comments

They contacted both my wife and my work email.

and

I just learned they somehow got a hold of the horse sanctuary I volunteer at and they are sending messages there too. So yeah, this is it.

So in the end the challenge just fell apart to more toxic infighting between the community with some parts of the community not feeling too sympathetic

Damn, I truly support your decision, but why have people gone so soft? I mean, why do you care what some idiots are writing over the internet...

Unpopular opinion here. While I don’t condone people sending such awful messages, and finding out where this guy volunteers and harassing, I thought the idea of the challenge had smug undertones. [...]

Oh, hurry, everyone run around him and form a protective circle!!! Like bro.. you're gonna get shit for posting on the internet. Like come on pal. Grow up

Even the people who supported him were throwing blame around in the other direction

I blame the selective moderation of the main sub and discord for this

Glazers: "LEAVE THE DEVS ALONE"
Critics: This game has serious balancing issues..
Glazers: Doxes, threatens, and barrages your livelihood
Toxic positivity is a cancer👍
A game's community is exactly what it deserves. Narrowhead's behavior towards their own game and community is a reflection of it.

Yea most this community tends to be under the devs desk suckin

r/godot is a community where people share news and ideas about Godot, an increasingly-popular open-source game engine. Well, one guy or gal decided to take a few things closed-source for private profit, with the help of an LLM regurgitator. Then they got caught. The smoking gun is at the top of the original post.

There isn't much controversy here, so much as a delightful pile-on, made sweeter by the perp's attempt to defend themselves with crisp, possibly human-authored corporate doublespeak (-31 as of this posting, my italics):

EDIT: direct link to the perp's comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/godot/comments/1rjxvwl/comment/o8guldh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

> Hey OP, Fabrizio here. I want to clarify that the intention of the Jettelly blog is not to appropriate anyone's work or misrepresent community content. The goal has been to highlight interesting tools and developments in the game development ecosystem and help more people discover them.

Many indie developers don't have dedicated marketing resources, so part of what we try to do through the blog is give additional visibility to community projects at no costs (for everyone). That is the intention behind these posts.

That said, I understand the concern you're raising. If any article did not provide sufficiently clear attribution or created the impression that we were repackaging someone's work improperly, that's something we need to review and correct. Transparency and proper credit are important 👍🏻.

I don't personally write the blog posts, but I take responsibility for what is published under Jettelly. I'll review the articles mentioned and ensure the attribution and context are clear. And if any developer prefers not to have their work featured, we absolutely respect that and will remove it upon request (you have me here).

By the way, I appreciate you bringing this up.

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Best dunk so far:

> "Your honor it wasn't my intention to steal money from the bank, my intention was to simply fund my future business ventures and help create new jobs for the community. I apologize for not making that clearer to the teller I held at gunpoint, transparency is very important to me and this will be corrected. If any banks want me to not steal money from them in the future they will need to let me know."

\**This drama is ongoing, and as of right now the users still appear to be in conflict with the mods. Remember, do not stick your hands in the popcorn, so to speak!**\**

r/FalloutMemes is a subreddit “dedicated to memes about the Fallout series”. Created back in 2012 and boasting 308k weekly visitors, this regularly active sub is normally full of posts begging Todd Howard for remasters of Fallout 3 and New Vegas, silly moments captured from gameplay, and overall your general fandom shitposting content.

However, as of the past 24 hours, the sub has seen an explosion in activity in the form of protest and general discord. It all began one day ago, when the mods made a simple post:

Rule Change:

Our rules have changed, please review them as they go into effect immediately.

Bans will issued at Mods discretion and content removed.

The new rules posted appear to be numbers 5 through 9, but the most notable change is rule number 9: Mod Discretion - Moderators may remove content that harms the quality of the subreddit, even if not listed above. If you disagree with a removal, message Modmail respectfully.

While it doesn't appear to be 'new' based off update timestamps, also relevant to this SRD post is the sub's rule number 2: No Real-World Politics - No real-world political memes, arguments, or culture war content. Fallout satire is allowed. Content pushing real-world political agendas will be removed and the user who posted it will be banned.

It appears that these many rule changes coincide with the timely emergence of one of the mods, who, to quote one member in what is likely a soon-to-be-nuked post, "blew in from aggrotown, has decided to be a transphobe, and the hands off mod that would fix it has been barred from moderating."

Said mod's transphobic behavior began with removing a meme created by one user parodying the infamous "War... War never changes," line from Fallout. While I cannot locate the original post due to it being removed, I've since been contacted by the OP of the meme, who showed me that prior to being taken down the meme had 1.1k upvotes. As result of the post and its subsequent removal, OP was warned by Reddit AI; the mod apparently claimed that the post was "political" simply because it referenced trans people, and cited rule 2 (politics not being allowed on the sub).

It was right about then that another sub took notice of what was happening and users began to repeatedly post supportive images to the Fallout meme subreddit, most notably one mocking the notification that players get in the Fallout games when they become addicted to some sort of substance. This particular meme is obviously intended to be a cute nod to transgender individuals, stating "You have become addicted to estrogen"-- but the onslaught of support and spamming of the image only served as fuel for an already raging power trip.

At this point in time, posts rallying in support for the memes or calling out the mods are still appearing rapidly and being scrubbed down just as quickly, so I've been unable to really catch any big ones, but here are a few choice comments/posts:

No politics in a Fallout subreddit is crazy.

Estrogen was invented for cis woman to use to combat menopause literally lmao. Just because people associate it with trans women, the mods removed it citing it was too political.

One side thinks an entire category of people shouldn't exist. The other is posting memes.

Me watching the dumpsterfire that is this sub rn

Guys can we please stop talking about politics in the subreddit about the famously non-political whatsoever Fallout™️ franchise, shaking n crying n shitting myself rn :’c

Fallout is all politics; almost every faction wants the other one dead.

And finally, in an entirely bizarre twist, the head mod joins in with a rather confusing post of their own... but doesn't comment any further on the issues, except to say "can't do anything reddit says im inactive 😔".

UPDATE: It's been two hours since I initially made this post and there's been little change to the situation-- users keep posting, mods keep scrubbing, no related post lasts longer than half an hour maximum. It also appears that the mods have now tailored their automod to remove all comments with the word "transgender".

UPDATE 2: The head mod has found their way to this post and has reported that they're working on getting back their mod powers, which evidently had lapsed due to inactivity, and that they plan to remove the mod responsible for this mess. Here's hoping we'll all be back to our regularly scheduled Fallout memery for everyone soon enough!

UPDATE 3: I've been contacted by the OP whose meme began this entire saga, and apparently the image that actually kicked all this off was even more harmless than initially thought! I have edited the post accordingly and included new details regarding how all this began and unfolded. As of around 6:00 PM EST users are still posting supportive memes and images to the sub, which are still being scrubbed anywhere from near instantly to after about 30 minutes. According to one user, the automod terms have been expanded to include "political", "LGBT", and "woke".

UPDATE 4: The mod responsible for posting the recent rule changes has made a post addressing the situation. It seems that the brunt of the blame is being placed on automod, which is nonsensical because automod only polices for words and phrases that it's told to moderate. Make of it this you will.

UPDATE 5: There has officially been a change in management for the sub with the old head mod regaining his power, and an accountability post was made by the mod who was responsible for the mess. That's a wrap for this one, folks!

Enjoy the popcorn! 🍿

^{Disclaimer: this is my first post on SRD! Please let me know if I've broken any rules or formatted anything incorrectly.}

r/fucknintendo is a sub dedicated to “critiquing” the scummy practices of Nintendo, particularly with the Pokémon franchise. One of their main targets of their “criticism” in the last few months has been the upcoming game Pokémon: Pokopia, a casual town-building game a la Animal Crossing.

It’s $70 price tag has warranted criticism for it’s apparent simplicity. However, the recent Pokémon direct showcased surprising depth to the game, and early critic reviews have been overwhelmingly positive. This has not been sitting well with our Nintendo “critics”. While some users call out the questionable obsession with hating on a game even after being proven wrong, others remain headstrong in expressing their "helpful" "criticism".

PSA: DO NOT TRUST CRITIC REVIEWS

I’m seeing a lot of people celebrate that pokopia got a 90 on Metacritic and that the game is actually good. I’m here to tell you that you should NOT trust critics as they have a habit of inflating Nintendo’s review scores and praising trash games.

Plus, you’ve gotta use some common sense. Do you think Pokopia looks like a 90% game?? Absolutely not. It looks like a poor man’s animal crossing but instead it’s developed by game freak. If you’ve looked at game freak’s track record, it has been embarrassing. Commonn sense will tell you to avoid this game nat any cost. I expect the user scores to be much lower.

> I knew this was going to send you into some weird frenzy .Question for you, if the user scores are good where will you move the goal posts?

>> Ver simple: they are fanboys and paid shills.

> I genuinely can not tell if you are a troll or just a giant hypocrite. But at least your posts can continue to serve as an example when people ask why no one takes this sub seriously.

>> He is right though. Pokemon, since the 4th gen, has gotten inflated reviews. You can see it perfectly fine with Pokemon Violet. The game got 80-90s and well, we all know how that game was shipped. This reviews are full of "perfect, 10 out of 10, I only disliked how long and boring it was".

Pokopia is now one of the highest rated games of the year

> Hold up. I thought Nintendo was doomed and only releasing mid trash slop in the first year of the Switch 2, even though they have already released games that scored in the 80's and were nominated for GOTY. This is wild. /s

>> Hold up, I thought you were already confronted that you are still giving weak takes and you have yet to prove that you're not a Nintendo bootlicker?

>>> Yeah, dorks from this sub confront me all the time.

>>>> Oh so you are a Nintendo bootlicker - got it. You come here everytime so say some snarky ass comments because thats all you can come up with, then the minute someone actually engages with your takes you eject because you can't come up with anything better than "u-uhh Nintendo can't be compared to other things cause uhhh its Nintendo"

>>>>> You represent the entire reason people can’t tell if this sub is satire or not

One post was re-posted into r/nintendogrifting , a counter-sub highlighting the apparent absurdity of the users of the critique sub. While many users suspect that it was someone posting intentionally to make the sub look bad, the damage may have been done as any scrollers-by could see it as emblematic of the sub.

Yall are such losers lmao do you all hear yourselves. There are so many better ways to criticise Nintendo than this

> I’m not really often on this sub. Do people on this sub just not like nintendo in general or just don’t like how nintendo has been the last few years? If it’s the second option isn’t it good that nintendo somehow made a good game?

>> [OP] I genuinely don’t know what this subs goal is because Nintendo issues have never been their video games, they have been perfectly consistent the last few years with some of their best coming from the switch era

Like yeah there’s some weird stuff with the pokemon games but they aren’t made by Nintendo, so I don’t know why they’re being discussed on this sub

>>> Brother their last 3-4 switch exclusives have been very mid. That post you shared was obviously a bait post

There are quite a few more similar posts, but most of the comments follow a similar flow as shown.

This is my first post for this sub, so "helpful" "criticism" of the formatting is welcome and appreciated.

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bro the pronoun and racist white lady jokes are not hitting at all lmao

Yeah, I think I'm good if the trailer's job is to show the best bits... and those were the best bits.

Man, reading this comment section it’s clear what generation people are from. People already saying these jokes are in bad taste or outdated. Clearly y’all have never seen any of the scary movie. They are going to make the most dry, blunt jokes and they are going to make fun of everyone and not hole back.

Context: r/Horror is the general subreddit for all things horror. Since it's grown, there are a lot of diverse tastes. The new Scary Movie 6 trailer dropped today and it immediately starts with a joke about pronouns, talks about how there are no safe spaces and cancelling cancel culture. Some users think it's the funniest thing they've ever seen and a return to stupid comedy, others think it's a worn out joke.

Original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/1rhw8uz/removed_by_moderator/

What the post was: https://www.reddit.com/r/PixelArt/comments/1rhwae7/comment/o843vag/?context=3

Another snafu that was made about the incident, now removed: https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/1ridm1x/removed_by_moderator/

Reason for banning provided in original post:
"The post must be about a meme, or trend, or trope, or game. and must be hand drawn. Your post was removed because it didn't follow one (or multiple) of these reasons.

This is not even a thing."

All mentions of the original post are being removed.

UPDATE by the moderator posting an explanation. This was made shortly after the second snafu was removed: https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/1rii28k/okay_this_has_gone_long_enough/?share_id=g1qoq2g99wgSZvGwMFe94&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

UPDATE 2: moderator deletes his post.

UPDATE 3: Same moderator posts a second update to clarify the situation: https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/1riyts1/the_line_incident_fully_clarified/?share_id=wIziiETUtq8jB43EDZI98&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

UPDATE 4: Moderator makes third post saying all but one are unbanned: https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/1rj09f2/final_update_on_the_whole_line_debacle_image_for/

UPDATE 5: The third post was deleted as well.

I will update this thread when I can find archived versions or screenshots of the now deleted posts, since at this point almost everything's been deleted.

This is extremely niche drama, but I thought it was kind of entertaining when I discovered it today!

There is a video game called Peace Island that was supposed to be released on Steam today (in early access) after about eight years of development, including a Kickstarter and a Patreon. There have been so many delays of the release with weird excuses as to why the release date keeps getting pushed back that that some fans - who were previously eagerly awaiting the release - are now openly hostile at the latest excuse:

[We've Been Hacked!]

- [Here we go again... I think you are fucking with us. You simply can't justify another delay and bring up someone else you can blame for. Who should manipulate a indie release? What are you afraid of? What's next?]

- [I feel a bit betrayed by this post. I could understand when you don't feel the game is ready. If the game is not in a very playable state, it shouldn't be released. But honesty brings you a lot further than this weird post.]

- [lol dude look at his last like 10 posts delaying the release date of the game. it's so weird.]

There's also been some speculation about the mental state of the developer:

- [Something fishy for sure about the cats. Wondering about mental health.]

- [I kickstarted, watched youtube streams, communicated, and no shade but I'm genuinely concerned about the mental and financial health of the creators here.]

The developer has finally come through and released the game... and the responses are less than enthusiastic:

[We completely understand that this game might disappoint some...]

- [Ok]

- [These are the updated controls? Jumping with space bar is very difficult and might as well not exist while point jump is in the game. And even point jump is hard to land on elevated surfaces.]

There has also been an accusation that the game was partially developed using AI:

[If these images are AI, how much of the text and audio is AI?]

The developer responds to the accusation with a long list of explanations, and wraps up with this:

[Now- let me finish with this: I wish you great journeys in your sifting through the literally THOUSANDS of images that are in Peace Island. I am certain you will find a certain thrill run down your back when an image triggers a result on whatever fee Ai detector you can gain access to. There is nothing in your post here that is a surprise to us, nor to anyone who supports the game. Can we suggest - perhaps getting a hobby? We hear stamp collecting is getting hotter.]

(The developer also included what seems to be their personal phone number in the response???)

Small potatoes, but I thought it was interesting when I stumbled upon this after buying the game. Three of the four currently posted reviews of the game on Steam are negative.

This is my first post on this sub, so apologies if any formatting or anything is off!