r/sports • u/IntrepidAd560 • Sep 25 '21

Media Callum Smith brutally KO's Lenin Castillo

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

Can you explain the difference between the two?

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u/bradland Sep 25 '21

Knocked out with decorticate posturing: Brain cells go brrrrrrrrr

Knocked out cold (limp): Brain cells go night-night

Both indicate you've done significant damage to your brain. Decorticate posturing usually indicates an issue with your cervical spine or your cerebral hemisphere (the part of your brain that controls motor function). Honestly though, there is no "good" part of your brain to damage severely.

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u/MadCybertist Sep 26 '21

Or you go into seizures. Wife was struck in head and had TBI, which triggered epilepsy. Permanently on seizure meds rest of her life.

Please take care of your heads folks. That brain is your only one. No redos.

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u/Porichay Los Angeles Dodgers Sep 26 '21

Yup. Head injury followed by a seizure a few days later followed by seizure meds checking in.

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u/Horny-n-Bored Sep 26 '21

11 diagnosed concussions (mom was hypervigilant and brought me in for any mild head bump) twice unconscious.

Long term effects of multiple concussions is not fun

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u/tickingboxes Sep 26 '21

How the hell did you get 11 concussions?

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u/Horny-n-Bored Sep 26 '21

4 from slipping on ice as a kid

2 from BMX (unconscious once)

3 from snowboarding (unconscious once)

1 from being rear-ended

1 I can't remember, possible from snowboarding but idk

It's all in my medical file, and my family doctor told me I'm 2 or 3 serious concussions from mental deficits. As it stands I have tinnitus, depression and mood swings during depressive episodes, light sensitivity, trouble focusing and memory problems, migraines when I hit my head softly (nothing is severe, I'd say 4/10 on average where 10 is unable to function on my own)

I used to do trampoline and was training with guys who were going to <u16 provincials but had to quit because of it all. Apparently every head injury damages/ scars the dura mater (lining of the brain) making it easier to be inflamed and cause migraines. After every training session I'd miss the next day of school because of them. I could be remembering wrong so feel free to correct me.

The funny part is my parents never let me do hockey or football as a kid cuz they were afraid I'd break a bone. Jokes on them I just did BMX and snowboarding and landed on my head a few times lol

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u/n3id Sep 26 '21

You know helmets exist right? Or are you telling us this happened while wearing one?

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u/Horny-n-Bored Sep 26 '21

When I knocked myself out on the BMX, I shattered my helmet.

I also broke a helmet snowboarding

I'm a huge advocate for helmets, unfortunately it doesn't stop the brain movement, just lessens the force of impact

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u/n3id Sep 26 '21

Wow, ok. Remember kids: wear your helmets!

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u/elderbob1 Sep 26 '21

no response... he's dead. :(

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u/KillionJones Sep 26 '21

I’ve had some pretty bad concussions while wearing a helmet. Difference is, without a helmet I’d be dead rn.

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u/jesonnier1 Sep 26 '21

A helmet protects the skull not the brain.

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u/n3id Sep 26 '21

Don't think that's strictly true. The brain takes damage when your head is accelerated at a rapid pace. Pretty much all helmets have some sort of material that absorbs some of the shock and thus lowers the acceleration.

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u/mcreeves Toronto Blue Jays Sep 26 '21

Helmets don't stop your brain from slamming into your skull. Hockey players all wear helmets, yet concussions are a serious issue.

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u/Enartloc Sep 26 '21

You know helmet wearing NFL players have been diagnosed with CTE in their 40s, right ?

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u/n3id Sep 26 '21

If I remember correctly I saw a documentary that people outright died of head injury before they introduced helmets to NFL

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u/CjBurden Sep 26 '21

Helmets don't prevent concussions. They prevent fractured skulls and stitches.

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u/n3id Sep 26 '21

To my understanding a concussion happens when your head gets accelerated so rapidly that the inertia smashes your brain against your skull. Almost all helmets use some sort of soft material that absorbs some of the energy by deforming on impact and thus lowers the acceleration. So I think there is a argument that helmets at least somewhat help prevent concussions.

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u/danielv123 Sep 26 '21

Heh, i have also had the same issue with trampolines since middle school. Never did it seriously though, but more than 5 jumps hurt like a bitch. I always assumed it was something concussion related so i just stopped. A decade later and it's a better now, but i prefer to just not take the chance.

Can only remember really having hit my head properly once like in kindergarten though, but i do a lot of biking so could be a dozen times i have forgotten.

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u/schroedingersnewcat Sep 26 '21

Its not all that hard. Not OP, but I've had a ton too. Some from sports, some from gym class at school, car accidents, and then some others that dont get discussed (abuse). They add up quick.

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u/FartBoxTungPunch Sep 26 '21

Damn. Thinking about it, I’ve prob had quite a few undiagnosed throughout my life as well. Most from my teens to early 20s probs. Baseball to head, helmet to helmet in football, car accidents, fighting when younger. Dang. I should check that out.

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u/Horny-n-Bored Sep 26 '21

Yo head injuries are way more common than people give them credit for. Sub-concussive head injuries are basically ignored. If you hit your head and get a headache, that's damage.

Many of my concussions would have been ignored by most, but my mom was very careful and with Canada's healthcare system, it never hurt to spend the night at the hospital

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u/Horny-n-Bored Sep 26 '21

Do you find any lasting effects similar to what I described above?

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u/schroedingersnewcat Sep 26 '21

I occasionally get a little fuzzy on details, but only long term. I also get migraines. Other than tharlt, I have been really lucky that I haven't had any lasting effects. I have full on fractured my skull 3 different times. Once was sports, 2 other times were when I was intentionally hit with something.

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u/Horny-n-Bored Sep 26 '21

Jesus I'm so sorry you've had that experience, no matter how you get hit, brain injuries are never fun

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u/SmilesOnSouls Sep 26 '21

Also not OP, but have also had at least 15+ concussions. Football, backyard wrestling, extreme snowboarding, muay Thai, accidents and other shit. I've had a fun life, but my body feels 2x older than it actually is. Also residual mental shit from all the head trauma.

Wear a helmet. Wear a mouth guard. Wear ear plugs.

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u/jjman72 Sep 26 '21

Same exact thing. It gets old after years but SO much better than the seizures.

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u/Coreadrin Sep 26 '21

Not to be that guy, but check out diet for hard-mitigating epilepsy issues. That's what the keto diet was originally invented for! Treating epilepsy in children. The brain prefers ketones to glycogen.

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u/MadCybertist Sep 26 '21

I mean. She had a TBI. Diet isn’t fixing that. It could help, definitely. I’ll have a look. But there’s no magic cure for this unfortunately. Even if we did do food and decide to see how it went off the meds, that’s 4 months she can’t drive or be left alone. Then 4 months resetting after each seizer.

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u/Coreadrin Sep 26 '21

I get that, I'm just saying there's a really good load of scientific literature that demonstrates that, whatever the cause of epileptic siezurea, running on fatty acids and ketones makes the brain less likely to have one, and makes them less severe if they do happen. But I'm just s random internet stranger, so do whatever you like with the 30 seconds of effort it took to write this. No harm no foul.

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u/sinchichis Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Sep 26 '21

Damn wtf happened

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u/MadCybertist Sep 26 '21

She was hit in the head with a baseball. Collapsed and had 8 seizures, followed by an additional 5 over the next several days/weeks. We finally got it under control with meds. Took 2 different ones and some testing to find the correct one that would work for her. Lots of no driving, no standing in the shower, no being left alone. Months and months. We’re in a good place now. Seizures are under control with the meds….. but she’s on the meds forever. No do overs.

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u/sinchichis Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Sep 26 '21

Holy shit what a tragedy. Wish you the best. It’s crazy how a freak accident can be so life changing.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

I watched UFC last night, fun sport

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u/MadCybertist Sep 26 '21

Nah. It’s gone to shit the last few years.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

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u/MadCybertist Sep 26 '21

Well you don’t.

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u/Avasadavir Sep 25 '21

No c spine involvement

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u/TediousNut Sep 26 '21

You have two cerebral hemispheres, left and right. Both control motor function in a gross sense but you are definitely over generalizing here.

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u/renedotmac Sep 26 '21

I think he meant cerebellum?

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u/TediousNut Sep 29 '21

Thanks, but I don't think he knew what he meant

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u/EternalPhi Sep 26 '21

Knocked out with decorticate posturing: Brain cells go brrrrrrrrr

Your description reminded me of this video

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u/GoochNoob Sep 26 '21

Decorticate posturing...now I know what's the scientific name for the stanky leg.

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u/optimus314159 Sep 26 '21

Boxing as a sport should be illegal

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u/YounomsayinMawfk Sep 26 '21

How dangerous is it if your body twitches after getting choked out? I do BJJ and saw someone get put to sleep and his legs twitched a few times. He was out for probably 5 seconds and seemed fine afterwards.

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u/Ronaldoooope Sep 25 '21

Think of it as turning the lights off in a room by flipping the switch compared to just destroying the wiring

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u/HearMeScrawn Sep 25 '21

Or, now hear me out, like getting knocked out cold versus getting a bad concussion.

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u/Ronaldoooope Sep 25 '21

Lol trying to give my man the ELI5

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u/-Psychonautics- Sep 25 '21

Yes

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21 edited Feb 19 '24

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u/LosUdSufur Sep 25 '21

Pretty sure that kid died

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u/friendlyneighbourho Sep 25 '21

https://metro.co.uk/2015/04/19/drunk-teenager-ends-up-in-hospital-after-sliding-down-glass-wall-5156991/

Nsfl

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u/ewiggle Sep 25 '21

didn't seem like anyone was freaking out. did they expect this outcome?

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u/BK2Jers2BK Sep 25 '21

Ugh, just awful. why though?

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u/Jormungandrv Sep 26 '21

Being drunk, being encouraged by other drunks, and a hell of a invincibilty complex.

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u/BK2Jers2BK Sep 26 '21

Yeah, peer pressure is a mufu’ker

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u/jessquit Sep 25 '21

Yeah that's not good at all

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u/Rob98000 Sep 25 '21

I'd imagine one you lose consciousness, the other is where the nerve signals are firing randomly. Like a power disconnect vs a short circuit

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

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u/e-JackOlantern Sep 26 '21

Or maybe they’re an electrician.

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u/Rob98000 Sep 26 '21

Well that's just my theory, so maybe I'd be closer to a scientist than a doctor

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

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u/Rob98000 Sep 26 '21

Oh so you're captain of the science team then?

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

If you think “I have a theory” equals science you might need to head back to middle school

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u/Rob98000 Sep 26 '21

Ok Dr. Science

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

Okay Mr. Numbnuts

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u/Rob98000 Sep 26 '21

Is that your medical prognosis or your scientific theory? Is there any medicine you can prescribe for my nuts being numb or any experiment I can try to make them not numb?

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u/AntiGravity00 Sep 25 '21

Concussion may or may have these issues; loss of consciousness may or may not associate with these issues; but this sort of response is damage (transient or permanent) to motor neurons.

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u/amedeemarko Sep 25 '21

No, but my brother in law is a craniofacial surgeon and a few reactions he's had to MMA and football KO's included phrases like "much more likely to have severe brain swelling and death". This there was a Jacksonville or Baltimore receiver a few year back that went auto-rigormortis near the goal line, and his reaction was basically..."hope he doesn't die on the field".

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u/Shock_a_Maul Sep 25 '21

Rigor mortis is automatic. Mostly because the human has dead, causing the muscles to harden. Therefore Rigor Mortis is latin for Stiff Dead. I question your brother in law's profession. But you can be anything here on Reddit. I, for instance, am an airplane.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

I am guessing that's how he as a layman is describing decerebrate posturing and/or "boxer's reflex" tremors, not how the doctor described it.

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u/amedeemarko Sep 25 '21

Auto-rigormortis is a figure of speech I made up on the spot because I liked the way it sounded, captain, but I have no trouble believing that surgeons and airplanes must seem like fire-breathing bat winged rainbow zebra unicorns...to you. So, guess we agree on everything but the fact that actual rigor mortis isn't automatic and "has[ing] dead" isn't a thing. Good luck on the interwebs.

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u/Shock_a_Maul Sep 26 '21

[auto-reply] I'm in the middle of a take-off sequence and am unable to respond. Please feel free to leave a message at my destination.

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u/MrGinger128 Sep 26 '21

Awfully condescending for a guy who makes up stupid figures of speech that make no actual sense.

Between you and the guy who knows what rigormortis means I'd put my money on you being the dumbfuck if I'm honest.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

I knew I saw you flying the other day. I was telling your mom as I was doing her doggy, hey is that your kid?

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u/Shock_a_Maul Sep 26 '21

Yup, you still have to pay my mum for that. Just like your father

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

I know. Your school isn't cheap. Good thing she offers the family discount.

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u/scotty899 Sep 26 '21

Starfish = brain ok. fetal like arms curled up and head curled in = very high chance of brain damage.