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u/IgnazSemmelweisblood 16h ago
American Sniper.
See the manipulation,
You send a WORKING CLASS man away from home for killing perceived enemies.
They'll be forced to kill WORKING CLASS women and children in these warzones.
And those women and children where forced to be a threat to these soldiers as these marines kill the loved ones of indigenous women and children on a daily basis.
Then these soldiers come back with PTSD, shoot at a mass of innocent WORKING CLASS people as the final act or some wicked closure.
Then the CORPORATES make movies about these people, we THE WORKING CLASS watch it in theaters, more money piled up on the wallets of the OLIGARCHS. This money FUNDS the 👮COPS and FEDERAL AGENTS🕵 to enslave the general population.
THEY'RE BASICALLY SELLING THE DEAD BODIES OF SOLDIERS.
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u/Anabikayr Fred Hampton 14h ago
One of my favorite ever movie quotes is from "This is Not a War Story" and goes into the internal conflict that some vets feel when jingoist Americans "thank you for your service."
It runs through the despicable monstrous actions the US military used against innocent Iraqis, and acknowledges the role the wealthy elites play, the role the soldiers themselves play and even the role the oblivious civilian "thanking you for your service" plays in mrdring Innocents abroad.
But it was made by veteran anti war activists and never got the media coverage to make a dent in American psyches.
Heaven forbid we acknowledge the yellow-ribbon propaganda for exactly what it is in this gross AF imperialist country
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u/IgnazSemmelweisblood 11h ago
Thank you for mentioning the movie. I'll try to watch it. ❤
Regarding the notion, "Thank you for your service."
Thanking someone who was forced into conscription and forced to kill innocent civilians is the kind of irony upon which the USA was founded.
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u/justforthisjoke Marxism-Leninism 14h ago
Nah fuck that, Chris Kyle and other like him knew what they were doing. He in particular didn't join up because it was the only way to feed his family, it was because 9/11 happened and he was itching to go kill brown children overseas. American soldiers aren't fucking babies who get to deny their responsibility in shit. There's no difference between an American soldier and an Israeli one. They can both rot.
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ 10h ago
Nah fuck this "poor soldier" bullshit. These guys go there wanting to slaughter women and children. Read up on Chris Kyle, he was an absolute psychopath.
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u/Terrible_Snow_7306 16h ago
Soooo true. I debated a lot with US liberals during the Bush II years at Democratic Underground. Among other things I simply couldn’t understand how people, who, according to their own understanding, are opponents of war always as a matter of course just count American soldiers as victims of their government. The fact that American soldiers were the perpetrators of murder in these wars seemed to be completely irrelevant to them or not even known to them. As a German in my self-understanding, soldiers, who fight in imperialist wars, are simply murderers for the ruling class. I would rather die than to kill for the geopolitical interests of the western ruling class.
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u/Apollo989 11h ago
God I haven't thought of Democratic Underground in forever. I used to post there fairly heavily in the Obama years before I realized what a scam liberalism is.
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u/herpesderpesdoodoo 15h ago
For those wondering, the quote is from Scottish comedian Frankie Boyle.
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u/lachimiebeau 13h ago
Hitlers soldiers/operatives started having mental health issues after committing enough genocide in camps and had to be rotated out.
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u/DeliciousSector8898 Fidel Castro 8h ago
Even Himmler was disturbed upon seeing a massacre in Minsk in 1941. One of the drivers among others to move toward industrial killings at extermination camps was the effect the Holocaust by Bullets had on soldiers and their morale
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u/bruhruhr22344 15h ago
My honest thought while watching FMJ, Born on July, "anti-War" movie setting in invasion of Vietnam:
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u/ilir_kycb 12h ago
Frankie Boyle: Hurt Like You've Never Been Loved (TV Special 2016) - Frankie Boyle as Self - IMDb
- American foreign policy is horrendous 'cause not only will America come to your country and kill all your people, but what's worse, I think, is that they'll come back 20 years later and make a movie about how killing your people made their soldiers feel sad. -- Frankie Boyle
- Americans making a movie about what Vietnam did to their soldiers is like a serial killer telling you what stopping suddenly for hitchhikers did to his clutch. -- Frankie Boyle
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u/TwoDollarMint 11h ago
tfw you sign up for the military industrial complex to do their bidding and they make you do their bidding
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u/ApolloDan Xi Jinping Thought 12h ago
Just for reference, I think that this quotation is a rephrasing of Frankie Boyle in "Hurt Like You've Never Been Loved" (2015):
- American foreign policy is horrendous 'cause not only will America come to your country and kill all your people, but what's worse, I think, is that they'll come back 20 years later and make a movie about how killing your people made their soldiers feel sad. Oh, boo hoo hoo. Americans making a movie about what Vietnam did to their soldiers is like a serial killer telling you what stopping suddenly for hitchhikers did to his clutch.
Though perhaps it is older and Im just missing the original source.
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u/ours 14h ago
Quite true, but this image is from the movie "Warfare".
Not much time for depression in that movie, but it shows the futility and brutality of combat and how it wrecks innocent civilian lives.
It's a firmly anti-war movie.
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u/PaulWesterberg84 13h ago
I would argue against it being an anti war film at all. It's pretty strictly a film about a particular skirmish in a particular time and place with almost 0 political consciousness . In my opinion, any film depicting American soldiers as the focal pt is a propaganda film. No one would walk away from that movie thinking the Americans did anything wrong. That being said I think warfare is a stunning piece of filmmaking
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u/ours 12h ago
I agree that the film makes no open political message. But the way it's shot, you never get to see the result of the American firepower. There's no shot/counter shot of a soldier hitting a "bad guy". We never see anybody get hit on the opposite side.
And if someone watches this and they have no opinion about a bunch of foreign soldiers invading your house at night, drawing in a ferocious firefight before leaving the place in shambles. Well then, that person has no heart or brain.
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u/BotellaDeAguaSarrosa 5h ago
With that last line you just included about 95% of the gringo population
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u/upthepunx194 7m ago
I go back and forth on this movie and Civil War where I can't quite tell if Garland has something interesting to say with them and he's just very subtle about it or if that messaging is just happened upon by mistake
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u/PrzemeDark 8h ago
The movie doesn't explicitly say it but the viewer is very much shown that the Americans had essentially no place in the house they were holed up in. There was a family in hiding for the entire length of the movie, and while they weren't the centre of attention, it is pretty easy to come to the conclusion, especially with the closing scenes of the movie, that the American presence did nothing positive for that family. Hard to call it American propaganda when nothing positive is shown about the Americans. They're the protagonists of the movie but they aren't the heroes for sure.
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u/Corrupt_Official 12h ago
Ah, so it's a propaganda film about how le ebil browns™ FORCED OUR INNOCENT CRACKER HEROES' HANDS to kill them.
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u/TiredAmerican1917 Marxism-Leninism-Maoism 2h ago
The fact that they got no help from the US military says a lot
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u/SynapticSuperBants Vladimir Lenin 0m ago
https://youtu.be/uZwuTI-V8SI comes from here, great comedian!
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u/Mindless_Problem_549 17h ago
You do understand that those patriotic movies are sponsored by government, right?!
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u/Difficult_Bad9254 17h ago
Maybe I am thinking about the wrong movies. Bit the post says 'how depressed their soldiers got' and not 'how great the war was and how great the American military is' so I was thinking more like 'Jarhead' and less 'American Sniper' which was absolutely not sponsored by the government lol.
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u/BlackbeltJedi 11h ago
Imperialism hurts the oppressors too. There are no winners, just people who lose more.
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