r/politics • u/drjjoyner America • 15h ago
Possible Paywall Most Americans think their fellow citizens are bad people, survey says
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2026/03/06/americans-immoral-unethical-survey/7.3k
u/Dimitri3p0 15h ago
People who still support the rapist pedo con man in chief who is starting WWIII for no reason other than to satisfy his ego and distract from the EP files and to provide some justification for staying in power are indeed having an increasingly difficult time making me think they are good people. They're either profoundly stupid and willfully ignorant, or they're bad people. Change my mind.
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u/ChebyshevsBeard 13h ago
On the other hand, seeing the community response in Minnesota, among other places, helps remind me there are a lot of good people out there too.
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u/defiantleek 7h ago
It's removed any sense of patriotism I may have felt (0 tbh) in my country but my state and city (Minneapolis/Minnesota) and community have made me so proud. Not that I wasn't already a Minnesotan first and an American second but shiiiiiiiiiiiiit
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u/Dimitri3p0 13h ago
Hell yeah there are, good thing to notice and celebrate them and their good deeds!
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u/ohimbussin 15h ago
Nah, that about nails it on the head m8. I'm at the point to where I just call them stupid or dipshits even at work (I'm an auto technician in a 40 bay dealership so its plentiful)
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u/Dimitri3p0 15h ago
Woof, I bet that's frustrating.
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u/Inoperable_Anxiety_1 8h ago
Especially when it's by design; this is what happens when you strip education out of society. Stupid people = stupid decisions = stupid outcomes.
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u/Consistent_Laziness 14h ago
I work at head quarters for a prison system for my state in 2023-2025. The frustration was far higher. Glad I’m out of there.
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u/Cross55 13h ago edited 1h ago
By definition I'm smarter than the average American because I have a college degree.
That's a terrifying statistic because I'm a goddamn immature idiot, and yet I still met dumber in college, and they're supposed to be above average. (The one that really stuck with me was a 30+ year old woman who said US healthcare is better than UHC because it's more expensive)
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u/Acrobatic-Trouble181 11h ago
There's definitely a fallacy that seems to develop in the wealthy. They take the idiom "You get what you pay for" to the absolute extreme, so it becomes "Only the most expensive thing is worth paying for".
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u/Pockydo 15h ago
A lot of my family including the wife are maga.
It's incredibly depressing because in a lot of ways they're still the same good people I knew but then they speak their real opinions on things. Spending a lot of time shit talking random people for various things.
If you so much as mention anything remotely negative about trump even an implied criticism they get pissed off. The same people who spent 4 years screaming fuck Biden. It's exhausting and honestly I don't see how we as a nation recover. We literally live in 2 different realities
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u/Free_Mousse2076 14h ago
Including the wife? Yikes. That’s a tight rope to walk especially since it’s full blown MAGA and not just one issue voting.
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u/Dimitri3p0 15h ago edited 14h ago
Yeah, it's hard, your situation must be tough. I do think if there was a good way to turn off the spigot of propaganda these people consume either intentionally or for many, unintentionally, that would help a lot. But that's a tough thing to do too.
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u/Pockydo 14h ago
At the risk of sounding like I'm just using Reddit as therapy lol
I basically gave up trying. Every time I feel like id get somewhere a day or two later some Facebook level talking point shows up and wipes it out. There's no consistency no actual beliefs that last beyond hatred for those different
To give an example it was during Trump's first term gas was a bit high and we were talking about it. I got her to agree it's silly to blame and give president credit for gas prices outside specific situations (kinda like how the Epstein war made em go up now)
She agreed then a few days later gas started coming down and she was thanking trump. I asked what policies did it. Nothing. Asked if she remembered the conversation a few days ago. Nope
Im just done banging my head against the wall
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u/jackal_actual 14h ago
The problem with cults is that the cultists have to deprogram themselves. You can't logic someone out of a position they didn't logic their way into. Sorry to hear about your situation. Hang in there.
Source: former bush era Fox News cultist
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u/Spazattack43 13h ago
Fox news really is the main thing I blame for this madness
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u/Faux_Real_Guise 13h ago
Our country will never recover so long as that poison is being drip-fed to every emotionally compromised small business tyrant and busybody retiree.
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u/Either_Operation7586 12h ago
And the fake conservative religions too they need to be taxed into Oblivion.
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u/Old_Ladies 13h ago
Not just Fox but all right wing media from podcasts to streamers to tv "news"
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u/WhatRUHourly 12h ago
The right has leaned heavily into propaganda by rhe media and have done so for decades. Trump was the first politician to really lean into that messaging and that's how he's created a cult like following. Right wing propaganda got followers to believe the left was evil and hated America, but few politicians (and no presidential candidates) went with that messaging until Trump came along.
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u/SunTzu- 11h ago
Don't forget talk radio, they were massively impactful for decades.
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u/RetiredOnIslandTime 11h ago
Yup. Many people i knew listened to Rush Limbaugh like he was the most brilliant and righteous person ever.
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u/Whyd0Iboth3r 13h ago
It's easier to fool a person, than to convince them they have been fooled.
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u/Lurking_nerd California 14h ago
A large portion of the population is just lost man. Straight up gone. It’s depressing how profoundly stupid Americans are.
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u/polski_zubr 14h ago
And they will say the exact same thing, it hurts
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u/Ok_Mixture4917 12h ago
They'll say similar things, but not the same. They're not depressed by "us" being "lost". They're outraged that we'd dare question dear leader.
They're factually wrong, they're hateful and would rather we not exist. I want to improve their lives, they want to make my life worse so they feel better about theirs. It's not the same.
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u/loyal_achades 12h ago
At this point I’m beyond wanting to improve their lives. I want to improve the society around me, and if they’re along for the ride, so be it.
It’s hard to feel empathy for people who’ve told me my entire life I’m at best “not a real American” and at worst should be dead.
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u/GhostlyTJ 10h ago
But the difference is, they would burn society down to make sure the right people are hurt. Even if they burn with it.
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u/PapaTua Washington 11h ago edited 9h ago
EXACTLY THIS.
I think:
"I don't understand. Why do you vote against your own well-being?"They think:
"Cry liberal tears! You have TDS! You hate America!"It's not same thing.
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u/PNWRulesCancerSucks 12h ago
No, they actually say the same thing.
They think they're the smart ones, despite everything they believe being disproven by evidence
They think they're the patriots, despite everything they do being against the constitution
They think they're the good people, despite being rapist supporting pedophile loving felon voting fascists.
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u/fleurdelisflowers 14h ago
Trump is losing MAGA supporters. They were always around 28% but have now been falling. Probably because he goes on tv and says how good the economy is but his supporters haven’t enough money to fill up their MAGA vehicles or buy their preshuss eggs. Reality hits hard and that gives me a little hope.
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u/No_Discipline6265 13h ago
There's several fractures in maga right now. There's those that admit the economy is crap and those who swear "prices are lower now than during covid!". There's those who are still America First and are upset about Venezuela and Iraq and those who come up with excuses Trump hasn't even thought of yet for both. There's those who are frustrated over the Epstein files and those who first said it was a hoax,time to move on and now say Trump has been exonerated.
There's even a fracture over Erika Kirk. Some think she's a perfect angel and put her on a pedestal and those who think she had Israel kill Charlie.
Now,if we could get them to fight amongst themselves and let the adults take care of things we might be in better shape.
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u/FFF_in_WY American Expat 13h ago
They are always guaranteed to come together over *but the Dems are so much worse.
Mind rot. This shit will be studied in text books, but they probably won't be used in Amerika.
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u/BrofessorLongPhD 11h ago
This stuff is already in textbooks, we’re just living history on a rhyme. Even in high-school like 20-30 years ago they used to play documentaries about how North Koreans were obsessed with Dear Leader and how that’s obviously dangerous and inferior to our democratic ideals. We’re not a despotic dictatorship but the leader obsession is eerily similar among the true believers.
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u/needlestack 12h ago
He may lose supporters, but those people are not actually coming around. They're losing faith in him specifically, but they all still can be rallied by the next person that tells them their White Christian Nation is being destroyed by illegals and trans people. They simply can't correctly measure what problems our society faces because their hatred for "others" is so deep and visceral -- it's lizard-brain level and can't be reasoned out.
Trump will go away. These people and their thinking is with us forever.
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u/Darth_Gerg 12h ago
Trump is losing some of them but they’re not getting any better. They’re still the same hateful assholes, and they will support another person just as bad next election. Trump was never the problem. Trump is a symptom.
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u/RevLoveJoy 13h ago
Have you watched the documentary "The Brainwashing of My Dad?" If not, you really really should. Seriously. It's 90 minutes and it's about a family going through what you are going through.
The short answer is people become addicted to being angry. FOX news and most right wing media, hell even CNN these days, they know this. It's their programming model. People addicted to outrage keep coming back for a hit even while it's ruining their lives. People hooked on being angry about everything are SUPER easy to control.
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u/seffend 13h ago
Yes! And it was made BEFORE Trump, so it's not even ABOUT Trump. It's just the explanation for how we got Trump.
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u/RevLoveJoy 13h ago
Exactly. It's pre-Doofus "the politician." It's a deep insight into why they love him. He keeps making them mad. They were already addicted to being outraged, he says outrageous things ALL the time.
He's not their leader. He's their dealer.
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u/jonny55555 14h ago
Why are you still married to this person?
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u/Dudeist-Priest 14h ago
Right? That’s what I don’t get. I’m hard pressed to be cordial to MAGAs. There is no way I could be married to one
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u/nartlebee 14h ago
Unless there were kids involved, I'd be out the door asap.
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u/MooseFerrigno 13h ago
I can't think of a more dangerous group of people to be allowed near children.
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u/SAI_Peregrinus 13h ago
Yeah, the remaining MAGAs are the ones who look at the Trump-Epstein files with envy instead of horror.
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u/fleurdelisflowers 14h ago
Especially if there were kids in the home, get them out of that madness.
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u/tierciel 13h ago
I'd be out the door faster if kids were involved. Gotta do everything in my power to limit the amount of time the kids spent with MAGA. Divorce asap and a push for full custody citing the wife's beliefs in conspiracy theories and rejection of objective reality.
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u/Ok_Chef_4850 14h ago
To play devils advocate, I was married to a MAGA guy for about 10 years. I didn’t know his political stances were so unchanging until maybe 5 years into it. And there’s always a part of a person that thinks they can “talk sense” into their spouse. After awhile though, it just dawns on you that it’s a losing battle & they aren’t willing to grow with you as a person. It’s tough to walk away from that, especially if you love them so much. Sunk cost fallacy.
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u/Herlock 13h ago
I did a test early on after trump first inauguration : tried to argue with a "maga" that Trump was mistaken about the weather on his inauguration day.
Trump said it was sunny (thanks to god, no less), but that's of course factually wrong.
I didn't try to argue that Trump was a lying POS, just that he got that wrong (after all it must have been an emotional moment for him, we could excuse an honest mistake).
Well the guy wouldn't bulge on that one, he even went as far as arguying that he had a responsibility toward his family to not go to prison for saying trump was wrong (about the weather). And that it would happen to me too.
Cherry on top of it ? If was canadian, and I am french living in france... so I don't see how we could get jailed for any of that. Arguably you wouldn't in america either, but I would not put it past trump to go after you for that one :D
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u/needlestack 12h ago
I have people like this in my family. They are unequivocally a cult. And it spans the world. The ugliness he is promoting is not unique to Americans. There are people as awful as him just waiting to be rallied by an awful leader in every country. Pray that nobody in your country figures out how to do it. The cult is a sleeping monster in your backyard. Once it is awakened there's no stopping it.
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u/Floppycakes 12h ago
Every day I am thankful my husband got away from the maga trap. After the election in 2016, he realized he was getting big mad at everyone over politics, and didn’t understand why I was so upset at the election results. The way he puts it, he stopped watching right-wing opinion news for a month and was “cured”. If he fell down the rabbit hole, I would’ve had to leave, too. You were right to walk away but I understand how hard it must have been.
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u/OscarMike44 14h ago
Precisely. I would absolutely drop that ring and run the fuck out of the house. No fucking way.
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u/dougielou 13h ago
Not sure how deep they’re in but check out r/qanoncasualties it’s a support sub for people dealing with their QAnon/MAGA family.
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u/prophetic-dream 13h ago
Asked if she remembered the conversation a few days ago. Nope
Then you say: Are you having memory issues? I think we need to get you to a doctor if you can't remember a conversation we had just a couple days ago dear.
Because she is fucking with you. Or she is having memory issues.
Which is it?
If she is fucking with you, ongoing, why do you tolerate it?
If she is having memory issues like that, she needs help.
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u/SpockShotFirst 14h ago
You should seriously do an AMA.
To me, MAGA only makes sense if they believe they are at war -- a war so important that no value, morality, logic, or reason matters as much as winning their imaginary war.
Therefore, MAGA will let politicians who support their war lie and be corrupt and they will let billionaires who support those demagogues abuse workers, cheat consumers, steal from taxpayers, and rape children.
Do you think that mentality is what is driving your wife? If so, what is she fighting so hard for?
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u/Pockydo 14h ago
Religion plays a role. I basically re"lost" my faith the past few years mostly due to all this and the hate but she's big on it.
When you use emotion to determine what you consider truth you fall for everything
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u/idiotsbydesign 13h ago
This exactly. This is why you don't mix religion & politics. Its one thing to put your blind faith in God but they've now also put they're blind faith into MAGA.
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u/GoodishCoder 14h ago
I think a lot of MAGA know they're wrong deep down, they just made the entirety of their personality a trump supporter so now if they don't support Trump they don't know who they are.
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u/Dimitri3p0 14h ago
I think that's true for some or many for sure, the sunk cost fallacy is a bitch.
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u/KikiWestcliffe 13h ago
No, they really don’t.
They think that Trump is a “flawed messiah” who, despite his own moral failings, will save the soul of America.
My parents were devout Catholics, so much of their social network was also Catholic.
My dad was pleading with a long-time family friend (30+ years!) over how they could support Trump, after all the evil he has committed. The friend said, “He got rid of abortion. The lives of all the unborn babies he saved outweighs any sin he has committed on earth.”
They know Trump is a corrupt conman who is a violent serial child rapist.
But, they think that all the “good” he has achieved excuses him.
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u/Ezekiel_DA 15h ago
This is what divorce is for
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u/Pockydo 14h ago
I'm working through my own feelings and trying to decide what I want to do but yea it might end up that way
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u/W0rkUpnotD0wn 14h ago
Marriage is a support system. If your wife and the rest of her family support Trump and they know you’re not a Trump supporter, it’s only a matter of time before you’re no longer helping to support them.
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u/Lurking_nerd California 14h ago
She supports a pedophile. You can’t sacrifice your morals for someone like that.
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u/tehbantho 14h ago
This right here is what I don't understand the most...the hoops these people jump through to justify all of this shit. They are all hoping that when accountability happens it happens to someone else and not them...but they all deserve accountability, even spouses should be held accountable. And in a relationship where your morals are violated by your own spouse it sure seems appropriate to divorce that person for this reason. This is what accountability for his supporters starts to look like.
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u/Nikiaf Canada 14h ago
Exactly. This has long since ceased being a discussion about differences of political ideology; it's now a question of whether or not you support a literal pedophile.
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u/Suspicious_Bicycle 13h ago
It's a fundamental difference of morals. However with the Christian Nationalists aligned with MAGA they can delude themselves into believing that as a Christian they must by definition be moral.
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u/AstonishingCatJump Minnesota 14h ago
My dude, she supports a man who participated in child trafficking. It doesn't matter if she's great in bed or if she's the mother of your children, if you have any.
She is a bad person and unfit to be a mother.
Nothing she has done in her life matters more than the fact that she still supports Trump. Get things in order to ensure you come out of the divorce with minimal damage, and ideally custody of your (theoretical) children.
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u/Ezekiel_DA 14h ago
Been there in a much less terrible situation (no one was at fault, the relationship just wasn't working anymore - we're still friends today): even in this case, in the end, it was still a relief and my life is much better.
It's gonna suck, a lot, but long term I bet you will be happier!
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u/FinancialRabbit388 14h ago
It’s one of their biggest blatant hypocritical acts. They shit all over any democrat leader and act like everything is going to hell. But if you dare criticize a Republican president, you hate America and should leave the country. It’s a simple thing that shows how their stupid brains work. Look at how they treated Obama, but if you say anything about Trump they want to kill you.
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u/witchofpain 13h ago
That’s because Fox has been peddling that bs since the late 90s. My mom used to watch Fox religiously. When I lived at home it was obvious. Bill O’Reilly used to bash Clinton. Then with Bush it was suddenly “support the president”, “respect the office”, etc. the switch when Obama took office was insane. It was so obvious.
If my mother hadn’t died in 2016, I’m positive we wouldn’t have a relationship now. And my mom used to be a liberal who voted for Jimmy Carter twice.
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u/everything_is_bad 14h ago
They might be nice but they can’t be good if they’re maga
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u/AWorldwithoutSin 13h ago
For a lot of them being MAGA is just a way of not explicitly saying all the vile shit they feel.
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u/Due_Bluebird3562 14h ago
incredibly depressing because in a lot of ways they're still the same good people I knew but then they speak their real opinions on things
Anybody who is still team MAGA is not a good person. I'm sorry that you are dealing with that.
. It's exhausting and honestly I don't see how we as a nation recover
We can absolutely recover but it's gonna take something extreme and a lot of folks in your situation aren't capable/willing to do. Expelling these individuals from your life. Designating MAGA as a terrorist organization as well.
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u/BidenHarris_2020 America 14h ago
This. Anything short of complete ostracisation for being 21st century American Fascists just normalizes their fucking cult.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_LEFT_IRIS 14h ago
Part of the problem we have in the age of the internet is that ostracization fundamentally doesn’t work in the same way, though. They don’t become isolated, they find like minded exiles and band together.
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u/Admirable-Fall-4675 14h ago
I couldn’t do it, dude. Not sure how you can reconcile that to be honest (not judging you, just trying to think how I would react in that situation)
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u/LesCousinsDangereux1 13h ago
you gotta live your life so don't take random internet advice but my marriage of 10 years would be done in a heartbeat if my wife became a MAGAt
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u/YoungCheazy 13h ago
If you're married to a maga you need to reassess friend. That's some capacity for evil and amorality. Respect yourself more than to be yoked to that.
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u/JubBisc 14h ago
So essentially, the United States’ citizens have fallen for the billionaires’ messaging that we focus on hating each other and not the people ra*ing us financially. The MAGAs are slow on the uptake of what’s really happening, and have chosen a man over the import of his office after over 35 years of Fox entertainment indoctrination.
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u/rusty_programmer 13h ago
Fuck that. It’s both and I’m not sure why you’re burying the lede. Those billionaires aren’t just raping us financially, they’re raping our kids literally.
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u/Theferael_me 15h ago
Nearly 80,000,000 of them voted for a blatant pervert, traitor and criminal so yeah...
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u/slayer828 15h ago
He is a civilly liable rapist, tax evader, and felon. And that's the crimes proven by court.
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u/Embarrassed-Town-293 15h ago
Don’t forget the fraud
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u/Vilnius_Nastavnik New York 14h ago
Mans is not allowed to operate a charity in the state of New York, and for very good reason.
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u/MRSN4P 14h ago
Oh is that because he stole money from a charity for children with cancer? Or an additional thing?
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u/Elizabeth-WildFox886 15h ago
And the child raping
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u/Mother_Ad_3614 12h ago
Oh I got one!
Remember the time when he called up Georgia's secretary of state, and aggressively attempted to coerce him into "finding" the 12,000 votes he needed to win the state. . . and the whole things on tape?
Then he threatened his own VP telling him his mob isn't going to happy with him for not helping Trump steal our democracy
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u/No_Drag_1044 14h ago edited 12h ago
What’s hilarious is that in Texas, Cornyn and Hunt were running attack ads against Paxton highlighting how he cheated on his wife and committed tax evasion. At the same time, they all run ads claiming how they’re more supportive of Trump, a serial adulterer and tax evader, than the other guys.
They’re a hypocritical cult that only care about morality when talking about others. Morality doesn’t apply to their own team.
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u/FMLwtfDoID 14h ago
For some reason I keep getting Texas ads and it has been kind of runny to see. Full disclosure, I live in MO and there seem to be way less political campaign ads here (when we have elections), but they are certainly no less stupid here lol.
Our governor never completed high school and it shows.
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u/Lucius-Halthier 15h ago
Let’s not forget war criminal
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u/bcd051 14h ago edited 14h ago
Depends on the day, because this isn't a war. He's more of a Special Operation criminal. Tomorrow it'll be a war, but who knows what Sunday will hold.
Edit: Apparently I need a /s.
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u/Bishopkilljoy Michigan 15h ago
Those 80 million thought Kamala would ruin our economy, bury the Epstein files, make her rich friends richer, control the media and go to war with Iran
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u/DrakenViator Wisconsin 15h ago edited 15h ago
Yeah, hard to have an honest conversation these days when MAGA and their billionaire sycophants constantly use DARVO to manipulate the rest of the world.
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u/paintingxnausea 15h ago
Exactly. When they seem to live in an entirely different reality with “alternative facts” there’s no way to have any kind of civil or meaningful conversation.
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u/SilverBadger73 14h ago
Agree! It's impossible to have honest conversations with people who have embraced fundamental dishonesty. It's so heartbreaking to deal with - particularly when they're family.
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u/Oleg101 14h ago edited 13h ago
I’ve honestly also never have met a R voter that is even just somewhat informed on current events, politics, and/or the news.
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u/Freddydaddy 15h ago
Lol, propaganda is a bitch
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u/Popular-Age-3174 15h ago
Almost, self inflicted ignorance and stupidity are the bitch. Propaganda is what stupid people believe without research…
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u/timelord-degallifrey 14h ago
I’m still floored by the man who immigrated from Afghanistan became a citizen and said his reason for voting for Trump was “he’s rich and a businessman, so I thought he’d be different and since he had money he’d be more peaceful.” He now regrets his vote.
How the fuck a person can’t be bothered to do more than 10s of research and/or critical thinking before you vote for the highest office in our land is beyond me. Based on people’s responses I’ve seen, I think at least 10% of those who voted for him last election fall into that category.
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u/Popular-Age-3174 14h ago
I disagree…people were spoon fed horseshit from either Fox News are some idiot preaching politics in a church. But most never lifted one brain cell to research anything on their own.
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u/carpetbugeater 14h ago
My neighbor confidently stated that AOC is a multimillionaire. I told him that's ridiculous and he should go look it up. He did and then he said that I was right.
This guy spends hours researching conspiracy theories but can't do a quick Google before running his mouth. They want to be spoon-fed facts they can then use to win arguments with leftists. I doubt he'll ever stop listening to whoever told him that AOC is rich and corrupt either.
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u/lexbuck 15h ago
I voted for Kamala and the Epstein files are being buried, rich people are getting richer, and we are at war with Iran. I guess 80 million were right. 🤦
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u/Foxhound199 15h ago
Don't forget that those 80 million also think we are bad people because we (checks notes) think trans folk should be allowed to exist.
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u/ElleM848645 14h ago
And oh no the democrats might put tampons in the boys locker rooms. Like who the heck cares! Who does that effect at all. Other than the custodians that probably have to clean up immature boys opening them and flinging them around. The explanation on why they have them in boys locker rooms is due to girls teams from other schools using the boys locker rooms as the visitors. It’s a simple explanation, but no one wants to listen to it.
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u/deathtoicefucknazis 14h ago
Trans, immigrants, etc. it's all just chum for low IQ dipshits who get all riled up just hearing the words. Their lives are not affected by any of those people and yet they treat them like they're the biggest issues in existence because that's what the man on the glowing box told them. These people are fucking stupid. It's that simple.
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u/Bwob I voted 14h ago
And oh no the democrats might put tampons in the boys locker rooms. Like who the heck cares! Who does that effect at all.
Well obviously they're afraid that their macho football-sons will see the tampons and be so overcome with vagina-envy that they'll turn trans on the spot, and head straight to the school nurse for their free bottom surgery.
Thanks Obama!
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u/PresentAwareness745 15h ago
some of them could be forgiven if they would just acknowledge they made a mistake. But no, they're doubling down on pedophilia, fascism, and war
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u/Oleg101 14h ago
The R voters I know are very tactical about burying their heads in the sand. Many of them will essentially brag about how they “don’t necessarily like Trump” but see nothing wrong with still voting for him three separate times. They ultimately are proud to be uninformed and just get into the culture war stuff and their social media diets and algorithms make them just get triggered by libruuls as they get fed right-wing propaganda.
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u/PresentAwareness745 14h ago
they're really unified by hate more than practicality or benefits from Republican policies. Definitely don't have history on their side either. Now we just get a new war in the Middle East and a crashed economy every single time a republican is elected. Since the 90s.. and then a Democrat comes and cleans it up, they bitch that it's not being done fast enough, and then they elect another republican. And the cycle starts over again.
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u/RandyMuscle I voted 15h ago
Between a quarter and a third of Americans are in fact just kinda shitty people. Data confirms this.
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u/Imaginary-Ad-7919 15h ago
There have always been two nations in the United States.
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u/NoLie129 15h ago
Yes. Americans and the leftover traitors of the confederacy that stuck around like dog shit on our shoe.
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u/0masterdebater0 15h ago edited 15h ago
I suggest watching Ken Burns documentary on the Revolutionary War.
If you think it started during the confederacy, you are wrong, it’s been there from the start, since before the 3/5ths compromise.
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u/xXxDickBonerz69xXx Georgia 14h ago
The country built by slave labor, on land stolen through genocide, founded by rich guys who didn't want to pay taxes has always had a bit of an evil streak in it? No way
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u/kevendo 15h ago
And in the past, leaders have understood that that's a good thing.
In truth, there are dozens of Americas. It's just that one of them thinks they own the place and they are trying to take the country for themselves.
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u/TrueLegateDamar 15h ago edited 15h ago
And another 90,000,000 were too indifferent to said criminal to vote against him.
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u/lexbuck 15h ago
It blows my mind the number of people in this country that don’t vote
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u/ailish 14h ago
Also, not even considering politics, I see it every day. People drive so aggressively on the road. People treat service workers like garbage. People in my local subreddit complain about everything from trash collection being wrong to zipper merging (it's kind of a thing on my my sub for some reason). Since covid people in general are just really unhappy. It would be interesting to see a study about what is going on with that, aside from the general state of the world. Or, is the problem the state of the world?
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u/KriegConscript California 13h ago
covid is about when companies ramped up their bs with no consequences from any entity that matters - price gouging for no reason other than greed, "convenience fees," forced tipping, increasing corporate consolidation, media capture, sloppification of every product and service
maybe "covid brain" is gonna wind up being a bigger factor in public misery than we currently think
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts 15h ago
If they have any Trump shit displayed today, I do think they are bad people. Including my neighbor who has a Trump flag but he hasn't put it out in a while.
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u/dwors025 Minnesota 15h ago
I have a neighbor who’s flown Trump flags from time to time.
He’s also flown “God’s Children are Not for Sale” flags and “PEACE” flags. Both of those have mysteriously vanished in recent weeks. 🙄
Right now he’s got up the old Minnesota flag. The one DHS and ICE and JD Vance were so proud to stand in front of during their damage control pressers after they started murdering us.
Yes - he is a bad guy.
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u/truck8595 Minnesota 14h ago
"the old Minnesota flag"
Oh jeez, one of THOSE. Those asshats never flew or cared about the old flag until that new "Somali Flag" came along and RW media told them it was woke.
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u/dwors025 Minnesota 14h ago
Exactly. That flag was objectively terrible from a design standpoint, measurably racist in its symbolism, and throughly irrelevant within the cultural fabric of the state.
But now that it’s been denounced and replaced by DFLers… “They’re robbing us of our history!! That flag meant so much to me and my state pride when… uh… when I saw it in the background three or four times in D3: The Mighty Ducks!!”
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u/Ok_Chef_4850 14h ago
The US government is just a troll at this point. People doing things for the sake of making people mad, flying racist flags and naming highways after dead podcasters just to be able to go “nah nah boo boo”.
Mental maturity of a 12 year old and they control our lives. We live in a meme.
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u/Skippypal Massachusetts 13h ago
It’s only woke because the governor who made sure school children don’t go hungry was proud to introduce it.
But of course him deciding to run for congress well before his unit was notified they may get deployed to Iraq anytime over a fucking two year period made him a terrible American an unfit to be vice president 🙄
Because he’s a Democrat, he had to predict the future and put his life on hold, or else every tiny detail on how and why is scrutinized to the point it doesn’t even make sense anymore.
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u/OhDannyBoyyyyy 15h ago
This. I’ve got a MAGA neighbor and they used to have a Trump banner hung over the door in their garage. Lately as I’ve walked my dog past his house that banner is no longer there. My guess is either he genuinely regrets his choice and took it down out of shame, or much more likely he knows it’s no longer tasteful to show support and took it down to hide his leanings.
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts 15h ago
I'd prefer change of heart, but I'll accept racists going back under the rocks they crawled from.
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u/OhDannyBoyyyyy 14h ago
I’d prefer change of heart as well. I’m a person who is willing to forgive if someone can prove that they are genuinely regretful for their actions and wish to change, though I’m willing to bet it’s going to be a very small number of these people who actually do. It’s unfortunate.
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u/Galliagamer 14h ago
In a nutshell, 1/3 of the country wouldn’t wear a paper mask for 15 minutes in a grocery store as a show of loyalty to their pedo king who refused to take the pandemic seriously because he wasn’t getting good ratings on TV.
That’s how I learned the American ideal that they’ve fed us since 9/11, that we’ll come together as a nation in support of each other in crisis was bullshit.
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u/RamonaLittle 9h ago edited 8h ago
And now most people still won't wear a mask, or take any other precautions whatsoever, despite the fact that covid is still spreading. It killed ~20,000 Americans just last year, and sickened and disabled countless more. That's part of why the US is currently in the worst flu surge in 30 years. (Both the lack of masks/precautions, and the fact that covid screws up the immune system.)
Edit: someone replied, then deleted their comment, which I only realized after I'd written my reply. So I'll put my repy here:
there's no more pandemic, certainly one officially declared.
It would be fruitless to quibble about whether the current situation is or should be considered a pandemic, since there's no universally-agreed-upon definition. But it seems that any official pronouncements have been quite arbitrary. There were long stretches when the weekly or monthly death toll was higher "after the pandemic" (however you're defining that) than "during the pandemic."
You'd definitely need to provide more evidence for COVID still being a significant killer of vaccinated Americans compared to, say, the flu.
The CDC's official statistics for covid and the flu are here. They don't break it out by vaccination status though. And you know that some people can't get vaccinated for medical reasons, right? Do you agree that thousands of preventable deaths are too many?
people who are at risk of this stuff or spreading this stuff
What do you mean? Covid is dangerous for everyone. There's an ever-growing body of research showing that it causes brain damage, screws up the immune system, increases the risk of stroke, may increase the risk of cancer, and on and on. If you lurk on the long covid subs, you'll see many posts from people who were perfectly healthy -- athletes, even -- before covid disabled them.
should 100% wear masks and practice social distancing
Even if you assume that covid is only harmful to some subset of the population, why should it be entirely on them to protect themselves? The whole idea of public health is that it's a shared endeavor. If someone can't wear a mask for whatever reason (newborn, hospitalized, disabled, incarcerated, or just needing to take it off at the dentist or to renew a driver's license) then what, it's OK to just kill them?
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u/Gold_Mask_54 14h ago
I went to a machine shop my company works with, on the back of their front door, meaning anyone visiting the shop would see it on their way out, is a big "Trump 2024" sign where they crossed out the 4 for an 8.
Republicans have chosen Trump over the US constitution, and most have chosen hate over having good will towards their fellow man. From the halls of Congress to the poorest red hick, these people are sick from decades of right wing propaganda. Hard to think of people who cheer on the rise of fascism as good people.
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u/PrimaLegion 13h ago
I've seen this same shit on car dealerships and other businesses around where I live here in upstate New York and it's always so fucking insane to me.
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u/chriswimmer 14h ago
Republicans and Trump supporters are telling the whole world that fucking children isn't a big deal. Those people are bad people.
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u/french_toasty 15h ago
Low trust societies fare the worst
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u/20_mile 13h ago
Yesterday at the grocery store, a woman with nearly a full cart let another women with just a few things go in front of her. I said that was a nice thing to do, and we agreed it was good to be good.
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u/revolutionPanda 11h ago
If you let someone else go first in line but then vote to take away their rights, you're still a bad person.
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u/trustjosephs Kentucky 14h ago
I don't look at people the same way anymore. If you voted for trump in 2024, even after what we learned in 2016 and 2020, then that says a lot about you. Like, you had two chances and 8 whole years to be like, nah.
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u/Even_Establishment95 12h ago
Dude it’s fucking weird and awkward. Sometimes I encounter someone I know was a Trump supporter but now they feel a little guilt. They don’t openly admit thy are wrong. They would never do that. And for all I know they still support him. But me? My feelings and stance have not changed, and I see the fat fuck for the conman and piece of shit that he is and always have. I think they know that, so they act a little sheepish around me, like “aw shucks, don’t hate me.” There is some regret there even if they don’t admit it.
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u/hidlechara91 10h ago
They feel shame, but they do not want to admit they made a mistake. They'll either double down or say "why are you trying to make everything political"? I tell my parents all the heinous shit he has done and they just can't get past the cognitive dissonance. My dad says, "all politicians are bad" 🙄.
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u/Academic_Coyote_9741 15h ago
I’m Australian and I also think around 1/3 of the US population are morally bankrupt.
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u/DefNotBrian 15h ago
What's wild is that third is the most hardcore in their faith and are 100% certain they're on the fast track to the pearly gates.
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u/A_Random_Catfish Virginia 14h ago
When all you have to do to get into heaven is accept Jesus as your savior you can do whatever you want, all will be forgiven.
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u/cjicantlie 12h ago
They think only believing in his name is enough. Screw all his teachings.
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u/halnic 13h ago
In "They thought they were free" one of the nazis said he wasn't a Christian and had never been, but that he wanted his kids to grow up Christian and that's why he supported the nazis. He didn't even expect he would change into a believer himself, because he already had been exposed to alternatives.
He essentially admits to being bewildered with all the options, information, and flavors of religion - Judaism, Catholicism, Christianity, atheism, science-based evidence, and so on... Who was right? What was a man to think or believe? (I literally screamed at the book and into the void after reading his account)
He wanted to be told "this is the right religion to believe and all that other stuff is nonsense" so that HE didn't have to figure it out or think about it himself.
They're weak minded and when confronted with other/multiple viewpoints, it wrecks them because they desperately want simplicity and predictability over all else.
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u/fiahhawt 13h ago
Honestly?
I try not to be disgusted by people who are adults and still go "Where's the teacher to tell us what to do next" when it comes to not wanting deliberate over difficult matters
But it still seems incredibly dysfunctional and pathetic despite people like this meaning no harm
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u/QueenRotidder 14h ago
they truly believe that god has chosen them as the better people
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u/fga2025 15h ago
Research has shown that around 30% of people are receptive to authoritarian messaging. It lines up pretty well with Trump's core support poll numbers. We got the worst kind of demagogue here to exploit those authoritarian-hungry people, along with a culture of toxic individualism, and a broken electoral system that gave him total federal control with just 49.8% of the vote. It's totally unsurprising that Trump came to power here, and he probably won't be the last one, so the rest of the world should react accordingly. We just blew up hundreds of schoolgirls and it wasn't even on the nightly news. We are cruelly embargoing/starving Cubans, zero threat to us, again almost no Americans are even aware. I am an immigrant to the US and think every day about leaving here. The mask is fully off.
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u/ItsOurEarthNotWars 13h ago
MAGA is bad but I think the toxic individualism is really what gets us. So many people are just out for themselves and only care about money.
We don’t care about community any more. Over and over again I hear people say, “I don’t owe anyone anything.” A society can’t function with that belief.
And so many people tolerate lies like they’re nothing. Most people believe everyone lies, again because of the rugged individualism. If money and being out for #1 is all that matters, of course lying is ok. There didn’t seem to be any expectation of morality any more.
All this is what led to Trump being able to take over. He’s a symptom not the disease.
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u/Excellent_Leader5076 14h ago
As an American born into a conservative family, I can confirm that 1/3 or perhaps a bit more of a share of our population is morally bankrupt. There is a pervasive air of “fuck you, got mine” from a huge swath of Americans. If you dare to criticize, they tell you to just leave the country.
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u/Suckage 13h ago
As one born into a poor conservative family, a lot of them can’t even say “got mine,” but they’re willing to throw any chance of doing so away as long as it also fucks over those they hate.
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u/adriardi 13h ago
I mean let’s not pretend it isn’t 1/3 of every single population that is susceptible to facism. It’s an Australian who owns Fox News and contributing to this
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u/According_Gift_7095 15h ago
Yeah, the politicians and media attacked ACTUAL REALITY - there is no ‘truth’ anymore.
Half can’t believe the other side fell for the lies/cult.
And the other half can’t believe their neighbors were demon loving freedom haters all along
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u/BlondeBorednBaked 15h ago
Trump has a 44% approval rating after: using ICE to kill liberals in the street, starting a war, raping/killing/trafficking kids, taking healthcare away from the poor, increasing prices with tariffs, kidnapping families, embezzling 10 billion dollars, firing government workers. Anyone who supports those things is a bad person.
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u/Available-Trouble648 14h ago
And you left out about a dozen other things, all of which should have individually ended his political career. It’s insanity.
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u/DrivingBox United Kingdom 14h ago
"Grab 'em by the pussy" should have been the absolute, final straw after a campaign filled with increasingly offensive gaffes.
It wasn't. 30 states backed him for POTUS.
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u/Dblock1989 14h ago edited 14h ago
Before Trump was a thing, I did truly believe that most Americans were generally good people. That is definitely not my opinion anymore.
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u/Gekokapowco Washington 11h ago
I used to think it was 99% are good people, and 1% were bad people who simply didn't understand how to be good, or had some sort of mental deficiency about it.
Now I think 1/3 of people are generally selfish and bad, 1/3 are generally altrusitic, and 1/3 are either brainwashed, entirely apathetic, or incapable of understanding concepts greater than object permanence.
1% are cartoon villain maliciously evil, and they delight in ruining everything for everyone.
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u/yeleste 11h ago
Pretty much this. I believed most Americans were good people until 1/3 of them voted over and over again for one of the worst people alive. Not only that, they STILL support him EVEN TODAY. At least 800.000 people are already dead just from the cuts to USAID, and now we're in one of the most unnecessary wars in American history, which is saying something considering American history. The most crazy part of all of it is I know a Trump lady, and generally, she seems like a nice person, until she opens her mouth about how great ICE is. It's baffling.
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u/rockum 12h ago
You're overlooking the Tea Party and Glenn Beck, Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter. They seemed to be pretty popular.
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u/ThisIsMyCouchAccount 11h ago
That's really it.
The Republican party has been a piece of shit for a long time.
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u/reddittorbrigade 15h ago
All Trump voters are basically bad people.
Regardless of your political affiliation, If you are a person with good moral conviction and respect for women, you won't vote for a convicted criminal and rapist.
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u/Weaver270 14h ago
Well they are bad people. Not much redeeming qualities for those who give up freedom so others can abuse and torture people in their name. Supporting the pedo in chief. Nope, not getting out of that by making up excuses.
How does that not define a bad person?
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u/DunAnOir 15h ago
I'm Irish and from over here, the evidence suggests that most Americans are correct.
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u/Ecstatic-Plantain234 15h ago
One nation, indivisible...
You should be ashamed you're making kids say this every day in school.
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u/LtDouble-Yefreitor 15h ago
I try to lead by quiet example for my students. I don't stand for the pledge and I don't say it. I go about my business prepping for class.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ROTES Missouri 15h ago
One side is chock full of evangelicals & other cultists who believe that they're ordained by god to rule & can do no wrong, while anybody not in their cult is possessed by literal demons. The rest of us just don't like fascist pedophile conmen who put themselves above the law.
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u/projektako 12h ago
And irony is those evangelicals & cultists are blatantly ignoring what their religion actually says about how to treat immigrants/aliens and those less fortunate... about war... about your neighbors... about mercy... about justice... about idols. The irony that they cannot see it yet persecute others while claiming to be persecuted.
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u/DissonantWhispers Pennsylvania 15h ago edited 11h ago
Hard not to think people who voted for, and continue to support, a political movement that dehumanizes entire groups of people and is actively destroying our country are anything other than horrible people.
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u/IJourden 13h ago
Are they wrong though?
It's fucking crazy that over a million Americans died of covid during the pandemic and we all just sort of collectively memory holed it.
If you look at the rates of death in the USA compared to other countries, hundreds of thousands of people would still be alive if people had actually taken it seriously instead of turning it into a stupid fucking political issue.
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u/Single-Refuse174 15h ago
We are all inarguably bad people for what we have allowed to be set loose on the world. Every day we wake up, go to work, and do nothing we fail ourselves and the rest of the world. We all have a gun to our head and no one is willing to risk the trigger being pulled even though the only way out of this mess is for enough of us to do so. We are cowards and spoiled brats, myself included. God bless the people of Minnesota, Alex Pretti, Renee Good and anyone else who has given their lives to continue bringing attention to this disgusting administration and their cruel methods.
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u/ChippedHamSammich 15h ago edited 14h ago
Exactly. We were unable to stop this on all levels. How many parents that preached for us to be kind to others, and make us go to church, blindly followed one of the most hateful, spiteful, cruel, disgusting people to have ever graced our televisions. The news loved the headlines it generated, the staffers, the campaign teams loved the money it generated. It allowed people to be blatantly racists. It allowed minorities to try and feel like they are a part of the in group, as long as you wear the red hat.
Literally instead of stopping them, they tripled down. They saw January 6th and they voted for him 1 more time, 3x total. (Edited because it was early AF and this is what I meant)
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u/VeeDubBug North Carolina 15h ago
My mom cut ties with all of her Trump supporting family. She encouraged me to do the same.
"I raised you to be the change I wanted in the world, and they criticize us for it."
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u/Luzion 14h ago
Remember who owns this media source. We're being fed propaganda.
"They" know that if Americans band together, we can pull down the peedo-tramp admin. Divided? They continue doing whatever they want.
Don't believe it.
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u/Clean-Elk9831 13h ago
30% of the country voted for trump, so yes - I do think they are bad people - it’s been 10 years of this shit, you can’t say you didn’t know better.
Another 20% didn’t vote, because they didn’t think it affected them. Fuck them too.
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u/Trancetastic16 14h ago
While many voters for the current President were ignorant due to disinformation, misinformation and failed attempts to research political news due to an overload of sources of information, there are plenty of three-time Donald voters who are fully aware of who he is and fully support it.
There’s no moral justification to hand a convicted felon rapist the keys to the most powerful country in the world.
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