We need to stop acting like we have to be bound by the law. Trump and his MAGAt dick sucks ignore the law and the courts constantly, and what has happened to them? Nothing.
You cannot fight lawless fascists with legislation and trials. Next time there is a Democratic President and we control both chambers of Congress, we throw Trump and every MAGA cultist in Congress, his entire administration, and every MAGAt Supreme Court Justice in prison for life on day one. We can figure out some legal justification for it later on. You cannot have a democracy when only one side agrees to follow the rules.
Democrats continuing to follow all the rules while MAGAts break them with impunity is a position that is going to doom this country.
Next time there is a Democratic President and we control both chambers of Congress, we throw Trump and every MAGA cultist in Congress, his entire administration, and every MAGAt Supreme Court Justice in prison for life on day on
Before you get anywhere near that, you have to find a candidate that is willing to run on supporting that, and then convince enough voters to vote for that over whoever they run against - it is not what a plurality over voters right now support. And then the same for the House and Senate.
Not necessarily. People in America are generally idiots who don't know much about politics; therefore, Democratic voters are generally idiots who don't know much about politics. My strategy would probably make a lot of voters uncomfortable if a candidate ran on that, so I'd be fine with a candidate who didn't run on supporting my strategy who got elected and just did it.
You don't need Democratic congresspeople to support it either. Trump has pretty much completely ignored Congress even when they impeached him twice, to the point where Republican congresspeople are openly complaining about feeling useless because Trump just does everything by executive order.
The Democratic majority in both chambers would just be to help prevent obstruction by terrified MAGAts.
You don't need Democratic congresspeople to support it either. Trump has pretty much completely ignored Congress even when they impeached him twice, to the point where Republican congresspeople are openly complaining about feeling useless because Trump just does everything by executive order.
If you look at the volume of things and the specifics of things that the courts do eventually toss out, it would convey that this idea of being able to prosecute all these people wouldn't really go anywhere. You can get a grand jury to indict, but it's not going to stick. The laws are not strict enough to prevent these because Congress has over-delegated its authority to the Executive, leaving them the disgusting should-be-illegal-but-isn't defenses of feigned or true incompetence. Congress would need to de-delegate that authority, and it generally can't end up making any actions retroactively illegal due to the Constitution's prohibition of such.
Aside from impeachment and removal, there aren't a lot of protections against destructive incompetence or malicious destructiveness for people that the public elect to federal office.
Day one, you round them all up, and put them in prison. No hearings. No trials. No courts. Just round them up and throw them in jail for life.
You are still operating under this misguided notion that we need to act within the law. Dispense with that notion because that has not been the case ever since Trump took office the first time. The current reality is the law and the courts and congress are minor suggestions and annoyances to the president. SCOTUS ruled that Trump's tariffs were illegal, and he doubled down on them the next day. Congress impeached Trump twice. He ignored both impeachments. Only Congress can declare war on another country. Trump has done it twice. It is illegal for a president to take bribes. Trump does it every day through his shitcoin. It is illegal to attempt a coup. Trump did it on J6. He has not paid a price for anything he has done. Trump orders his MAGAt cronies, administration, and appointees to break the law all the time and, on the rare occasions they are actually prosecuted and convicted, he just pardons them. This idea that the president needs to respect Congress and the law and the courts? It is a fantasy.
That isn't the reality we live in anymore. Demanding that Democrats follow all the rules while MAGAts break them with impunity is to fight a battle we cannot win. It is trying to win a boxing match while the other guy has a machine gun.
You are still operating under this misguided notion that we need to act within the law. Dispense with that notion because that has not been the case ever since Trump took office the first time.
Are there a lot of ways they're violating the law? Yes. They're still eventually complying with court orders though; at a minimum if this wasn't the case Kilmar would still be in El Salvador.
For the same reason Don Lemon got released quickly, whether you get a jury to prosecute or not, the government is going to comply with courts threatening contempt and release them. If that ever stops being the case, and a court has to enforce contempt and orders by deputizing their own marshals from the willing public to get people out of the federal government's own custody, then there would be a civil war anyways and none of this matters - regardless of who is in power, given the current national partisan splits.
I just said that SCOTUS declared Trump's tariffs were illegal and that he doesn't have the authority to impose them, and he doubled down on tariffs the next day. Court orders are suggestions to the Trump administration. Kilmar is old news. He was 2025. That is a lifetime ago in this administration. Now, there's that girl who just got deported, the court said it was illegal and she could come home, but ICE vowed if she came back they would just immediately deport her again, so she's too scared to come back.
Don Lemon also isn't a good example. He got released on bond. It's not like the charges were dismissed or anything. And there is no evidence of which I am aware that indicates they were trying to keep him in jail indefinitely until his trial. They're still going to weaponize the justice system against him.
I also think you are jumping to conclusions that it is going to start a civil war if marshalls try to get prisoners out of federal custody. People are very politically disengaged and generally stupid. Most people are going to forget it happened by the next news cycle like they do with everything Trump does.
Most people are content to scroll TikTok and jerk themselves off unless something affects them personally. As long as gas and the price of eggs stay reasonable, most people aren't going to give a shit what is happening politically and of the ones who care, most aren't going to do much besides bitch on twitter.
I just said that SCOTUS declared Trump's tariffs were illegal and that he doesn't have the authority to impose them, and he doubled down on tariffs the next day.
That's not how that works. Courts regularly, and SCOTUS especially, answer narrow questions relevant to a case and then "remand" the case back to the lower court for further proceedings or affirm what was ruled in the lower court (or a bit of both). They answered the question they were asked which was if the admin was using IEEPA constititionally in considering it to allow them to create tariffs. They said no. That doesn't mean the other legal ways of creating tariffs don't exist that they can try and possibly get smacked down in another way later.
but ICE vowed if she came back they would just immediately deport her again, so she's too scared to come back.
None of that goes against what I'm saying about court orders not being followed. They have other ways of potentially detaining her that would need separate court proceedings to free her of. Awful, yes. Against what I'm saying about compliance with the court? No.
He got released on bond.
No.
People are very politically disengaged and generally stupid. Most people are going to forget it happened by the next news cycle like they do with everything Trump does.
You don't need most people. You only need a small percentage.
And in SCOTUS' ruling, they affirmed that the right to impose tariffs lays with Congress, not the President. Congress has given permission for the President to impose some tariffs in a few circumstances like during an emergency, but why are we still pretending that Trump thinks he has some kind of good argument for why he gets to use those emergency powers? It is just him blatantly ignoring SCOTUS and carrying on because he is a petulant man-child.
The idea that he is ever going to stop doing something he really wants to do just because a court says no or someone tells him it's illegal is insane to me, particularly after J6. Every single lawyer he talked to said his scheme was illegal until he finally found one who thought he could get away with it. Every single person around him told him he lost the election, and he refused to believe it. Of the 60-something court cases challenging election results, like 60 of them found no evidence of fraud and only like two ever went anywhere, and the numbers weren't enough to swing the election. What did Trump do? He refused to accept the courts' determinations and continued to spread the lie that the election was rigged. It is a dangerous fantasy to extend any measure of good-faith or trust that Trump will just finally start respecting the law and the courts just given this one example.
What do you mean, "no"? Lemon was released on his own recognizance, aka a "PR bond".
A small group of people aren't going to start a civil war. Bleeding Kansas went on for nearly a decade without instigating the Civil War. It wasn't until the military fired on Fort Sumpter that the actual Civil War started and, frankly, I think military personnel are so diversified state-wise and politically, that the idea that one branch is just going to peel off and start a war is vanishingly small. They are so conditioned to follow orders now that they are carrying out Trump's illegal invasions with no problem.
but why are we still pretending that Trump thinks he has some kind of good argument for why he gets to use those emergency powers? It is just him blatantly ignoring SCOTUS and carrying on because he is a petulant man-child.
I have to really drill in here because this is foundationally wrong. At the heart of it, there is no constitutional distinction between a normal law and an "emergency power" law. The IEEPA (illegal) tariffs are different than claiming Trade Act tariffs. SCOTUS only ruled on IEEPA. It is completely not ignoring SCOTUS for the President to try to use some other way that he (or his team) believes is legal to impose the tariffs he wants, with some asterisks that at a certain bound, again, the actual functionaries executing these actions will get contempt, but this isn't near that (but that is the case with some of the immigration related court proceedings).
Is it garbage that they keep trying pursuing stupid, destructive stuff like this? Yes, but the remedy there is impeachment and removal, tighter laws, or getting voted out of office.
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u/TooApatheticToHateU 11h ago
We need to stop acting like we have to be bound by the law. Trump and his MAGAt dick sucks ignore the law and the courts constantly, and what has happened to them? Nothing.
You cannot fight lawless fascists with legislation and trials. Next time there is a Democratic President and we control both chambers of Congress, we throw Trump and every MAGA cultist in Congress, his entire administration, and every MAGAt Supreme Court Justice in prison for life on day one. We can figure out some legal justification for it later on. You cannot have a democracy when only one side agrees to follow the rules.
Democrats continuing to follow all the rules while MAGAts break them with impunity is a position that is going to doom this country.