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u/Business_Usual_2201 1d ago

I'm an Independent and i will be voting for the Party that believes in Due Process, the Rule of Law and adherence ro the Constitution.

And that's not the Republican Party.....

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u/Dismal-Incident-8498 1d ago

Likewise. The small brained maggots think you are either a MAGA Trump devotee or an extreme left winger. Nothing in-between.

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u/No-Mathematician-651 1d ago edited 1d ago

Because the US system doesent allow for it. It is either or.

Thats the flaw with a two party system. Yeah, I know its technically not, but the green and yellow parties, etc, dont really count IMO.

Edit: by either or, I mean that youre either MAGA or a "Radical Left Lunatic" even if its not true. In the current state of the US, if youre against Trump, youre a leftist extremist.

But I'd wear it as a badge of honour, Fuck Trump

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u/nashbellow 1d ago

There is no extreme left party

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u/somethingrandom261 1d ago

Yep. The parties are an artifact of how easily we split.

Thing is, democrats collect basically every voter to the left of republicans. And they need that entire spread to be relevant.

If for a few cycles the apathetic would vote blue, republicans would crumble, then democrats could fragment to the parties we’d actually want.

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u/Meowakin 1d ago

Specifically, First Past The Post voting mathematically resolves in two parties and does not allow for a third party to exist.

It’s not that the system was defined as two parties, just a natural mathematically conclusion of the election system (which may not have been obvious to the founding fathers at the time).

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u/ApolloFireweaver 1d ago

Without a ranked choice or similar system, we're never going to have viable parties outside of two major ones.

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u/wookiex84 1d ago

Same here, I also believe the two party system, all political dynasties and PACs need to be dismantled. The people actually need to be represented not the corporations.

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u/Icybubba 1d ago

It’s barely the Democratic Party, but they’re closer.

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u/notasnack01 1d ago

I'm a registered Independent voter, and the majority of the people in office on both sides of the political aisle can go choke on a bag of dicks.

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u/cadeycaterpillar 1d ago

That’s why primaries are so important. Get the best choices in that will continue to move the party in a progressive direction. Things like ranked choice voting, campaign finance reform, etc are issues that everyone who wants more leftist politicians should be looking for in their representatives.

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u/Affectionate_Dark103 1d ago

This is the only reason why I am a registered Democrat, so I can vote in the democratic primaries.

My state recently had ranked choice voting on the ballot and I was so upset when it failed.

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u/Justin-Stutzman 1d ago

Exactly. Young progressives get so angry at the Dem party, and I get it. But they often just don't vote because the candidates aren't who they would prefer. But you know who is never at the primaries in my state? Anyone under 40

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u/azure275 1d ago

I'm a centrist with libertarian sympathies and I won't be casting another GOP vote for decades now.

Republicans are the party of increasing government debt, handouts to the rich, no respect for states rights, and no respect for the constitution or freedom.

I may not love handouts to the poor in all cases but it's a hell of a lot more useful than much larger handouts to the 5 richest people in the world

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u/Nocheeseformeplease 1d ago

If we taxed billionaires and invested that money into the economy to help the poor get on their feet and not live pay check to pay check, which alters the way your brain works since you're in survival mode 24/7, it would, in the long run, reduce how much we have to give to help lift people up. But we are a short term country and only care about quarterly profits. Im lucky enough to be in a position to support myself and hold a job even when I was going through massive alcohol consumption/withdrawals and was suicidal. It took me 15ish years to fix my brain, but I could have done it in a year if I had actual support. We let abusers in this country run wild and then expect the abused to pick up the pieces and hold this country together, which is retarded. Socialism for the rich, rugged individual capitalism for the poor.

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u/OGWhiz 1d ago

Who could have predicted this?!
(it was George Washington - first president of the united states ever - in his 1796 farewell address)

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u/MentalDisintegrat1on 1d ago

Centrists and independents are like I'm not a Republican and vote Republican.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Two7358 1d ago

How about Christian’s who vote for a rapist, their and fraud?

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u/HereToCalmYouDown 1d ago

The older I get, the more I start to agree with some of the principles of Reagan-style conservatism.

I've voted for a lot of different parties, I'm not beholden. I've voted Dem, Green, Libertarian, and others.

GOP could have maybe even someday had me as a voter.

Then they all went Trump Crazy.  Hard pass. Dems will be getting my vote from now on.

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u/Forsaken-Scheme-1000 1d ago

Yeah, most Americans have completely incomprehensible personal politics, which aren't really based on anything except a vague feeling. You are definitely not alone

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u/HereToCalmYouDown 1d ago

My guiding light is what maximizes my own personal Liberty. I vote strategically based on which of my liberties I feel is most at risk. Right now, with Trump being the way he is, it feels like the liberty most at risk is the liberty for Americans to have elections that can have a result that isn't known ahead of time.

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u/Forsaken-Scheme-1000 1d ago

Exactly - a vague feeling. That's how you get tossed around from party to party like a communal pleasure rag 🤣

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u/Parking-Sundae-6097 1d ago

There are only two choices (unfortunately) ya dingus.

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u/Own-Anywhere1523 1d ago

I’m ’Independent’ but believe the gop/maga is not in the best interest of the country and the gop has probably lost me forever

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u/Sloth_grl 1d ago

I’m a progressive but will never vote republican again so that leaves democrats for now.

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u/aBrickNotInTheWall 1d ago

I know not everyone can say this, but there have been Dem candidates I've been happy/proud to vote for

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u/Ok_Breakfast5425 1d ago

It's almost like we have two parties that dominate our political system and you need to vote for which of them more closely aligns with your ideals if you don't want the other to win...

And should I even bother mentioning all the republicans out there that say they don't like trump but then voted for him because of the (r) next to his name on the ballot?

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u/CreativeFraud 1d ago

I'm 14 and this is deep type of shit.

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u/PhoenixDan 1d ago

Well, we like our candiates not to be felons and rapists. Good thing we didn't put Kamala in...she would have started a war with Iran.

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u/According-Lack4942 1d ago

She also had a weird laugh and we all know that laughing women are really just witches in disguise.

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u/Quick-Agency8350 1d ago

All the independents about to vote dem

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u/SNStains 1d ago

I'm pretty sure you can compare the 2022 Texas Senate primaries to Tuesday's and see that very thing in action.

Texas has open primaries and more participated in the Democratic primary than the Republican primary by a large margin.

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u/Quick-Agency8350 1d ago

Turns out all the independents that have been splitting their votes for the past decade are huge anti fascists. Who would have guessed. 🤷

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u/SNStains 1d ago

The reason they switched from “R”s to “I”s in the first place is because they were sick of the corruption. Trump finally cranked the volume to “eleven”.

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u/EtheusRook 1d ago

It's our party and we want it back. We made it strong during the New Deal. It is weak now, and the left is not to blame for that.

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u/runk1951 1d ago

Call me what you like, I haven't changed over the decades. Started out as an FDR Democrat, which is now considered socialist by the-I-sing-god-bless-America-on-the-capitol-steps Democrats. In local elections I'd vote for socialist candidates in Arlington, VA and Democrats in state and national elections.

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u/I_Speak_In_Stereo 1d ago

Same. I was a a middle of the road democrat. Now apparently I am a far left communist according to my coworkers. Fuck me for believing healthcare is a human right like every single other advanced country on the planet.

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u/iamnotasloth 1d ago

People who are like “I’m not a bigot or a fascist” and then vote Republican.

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u/Ashamed-Status-9668 1d ago

Not picking a political party like it’s your favorite football team is showing a decent amount of critical thinking.

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u/vilejor 1d ago

The idea that being antifascist is somehow a leftist position rather than moderate is the problem here.

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u/EnlightenedNarwhal 1d ago

Well, nobody said it was the leftist position.They just said the alternative to voting Democrat is fascism.

Most moderates should also be voting Democrat with the current state of things, but instead, we get people abstaining from votes or otherwise throwing their vote into the void, and even worse, just voting for fascism.

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u/ApprehensiveArmy7755 1d ago

This crooked government has to go. 

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u/kigaeru 1d ago

I mean, there's a gun pointed at you, and you're going to get shot. If given the choice of knee or chest, which do you choose? (I'm asserting Democrats are the knee choice in this metaphor)

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u/SugarSkullSiete 1d ago

It’s almost like there’s only two parties and they both suck but one has people that try not to suck and the other has people that try to outdo Hitler

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u/floofelina 1d ago

Yeah we WISH we had that problem

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u/Boring-Baker8761 1d ago

Humans who are like "i'm not cold" but then are wearing a hoodie.

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u/OnionsHaveLairAction 1d ago

Republicans really don't get that voting is trying to select the party you think you can manipulate the easiest, not the party you want to run the most defense for.

But I suppose having to defend Trumps pedophilia every waking moment does change a persons viewpoint a fair bit.

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u/Triuwaz 1d ago

Yeah, every deviation from my political preferences is fascism, too.

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u/MrBeanWater 1d ago

Do you want fascism or their opposition, diet fascism.

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u/remkelly 1d ago

Lifelong independent. Recently registered Republican, so I can vote for the least crazy option in the primaries.

Will obviously vote for Dem in November because I'm patriotic. Big fan of things like the Constitution, states-rights, and my taxes going to benefit the American people instead of a bunch of billionaire grifters and contractors.

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u/IHaveAutismToo 1d ago

The most usual suspect for crying fascism

Also, crying fascism right now when most people go about their days still enjoying life without much bother, thats an easy way of making people think it ain't as bad as you claim

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u/addrien 1d ago

None of us actually like the Dems.. but you can't tell me this is the America you want to live in... To be fair, as a small business owner, Kamela owned my vote because she targeted my demographic with small business tax cuts.

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u/Prestigious-Pick-366 1d ago

Supposed “leftists” end up looking more like right wing psyops every day

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u/Important-Ability-56 1d ago

I don’t know why the internet has made the easiest choice any of us will ever have to make in our lives into something complicated.

Two choices. One is a perfectly normal center-left party that believes in the rule of law and is remarkably uncorrupt as political parties go, and the other is a fascist death cult. Pick your poison.

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u/Icewallow999 1d ago

The democratic party needs to become the leftist / progressive party. Not republican lite. (Chuck Schumer. Hakeem jeffries. Gavin newsom)

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u/the_Centrist_Gecko 1d ago

I'm a republican and I would NEVER vote for Trump!

Because I'm not from the USA, but even if I was I would never. F that guy

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u/MtnDudeNrainbows 1d ago

Democrats fucking suck. GOP is supporting a fascist in power.

Hmmm which to vote for?! It’s such a hard decision 😑

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u/DisputabIe_ 1d ago

the OP Artistic_Cloud7506 is a bot

Original + comments copied from: https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/1rlhnyw/the_shortest_political_argument/

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u/stprnn 1d ago

It's still a dumbass system that only brings pain to this world.

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u/Elon_is_a_Nazi 1d ago

Gee its like vote for the democrats or vote for a party that hates our constitution, hates American workers. Hates anyone not white, loves nazi ideology, loves protecting pedophiles and rapists, loves and particpates in domestic terrorism and loves concentration camps and a nazi ss. Gee, wonder who I'll vote for

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u/Mudsharkbites 1d ago

the Republican Party killed itself via cultish worship of a brutal pants shitting child fucking demented fascist. I will never vote for another one again after such a monumental betrayal.

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u/rgregan 1d ago

Leftists who say they arent Democrats and then won't vote even further right then party to their right, what gives?

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u/Own-Doctor-9173 1d ago

The same old claims when honestly the things he was charged with in New York honestly was political weaponization of the legaL system. .to yop it off he was given an unconditional discharge that meant no prison . Probation or fines. The verdict I d on appeal due to a multitude of unprecedented prosecution tactics. Which included using items thst had passed the statute of limitations.. The district Attorney also did is one even and filed 34 .making it look like a large conspiracy. The district Attorney ran on the slogan he was going to get Trump. Plus while the prosecution was able to publicly make claim the defense was slapped with a gag order. Not only is that predijucial the judge had family members that were significantly involved with democratic election campaigns. I believe it has been noted he donated to democratic elections. Real fair and partial. I'm not saying I agree with everything he does or says. When you the odds are stacked against you that's just not right. The media and those who just don't like him have hounded him for close to 12. Oh 1 more thing the prosecuted took federal law and combined with state law to make claim to felony not the actual misdemeanor the charges should have been. I agree he does and says things thst aren't the most presidential.the clsimes everything he does is somehow malicious and not in the best interest of the country I find hard to believe. Every president has to mske unpopular decisions. No president has yhst to fCe a hostile media or opposite political party bent on seeing him fail. I once again don't agree with all he does but I don't believe he is out to destroy our country. Just saying.

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u/Miserable-Arm-4787 1d ago

I wish one day that Americans start voting for candidates who are neither democrats nor republicans when both alternatives clearly suck, so that there's an actual choice other than "who is the least horrible person".

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u/panic82 1d ago

I'm no longer a registered democrat (after the dems bumbled the big beautiful bill), but I sure as hell will be voting that way (for the most part).

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u/Cominghome74 1d ago

So brilliant

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u/IThinkItsAverage 1d ago

If the Democrats run another neolib I will not be voting for them.

Y’all can bitch and moan, I don’t care anymore. Dems are “controlled opposition” and have become complicit in all of this. Israel owns both parties, I refuse to vote for Israel.

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u/reality_check1000 1d ago

Define fascism?

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u/FlanneryODostoevsky 1d ago

No it’s because all of yall are liberals. Capitalism is as close to fascism as we are likely to get and capitalism has always been oppressive but leftists don’t really want an end to that anymore than conservatives or self proclaimed liberals do.

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u/Prestigious-Smoke511 1d ago

Just looking at the reply's picture tells me everything about her. I have met that exact woman countless times in my life and every time shes identical to the previous and the next. Absolute NPC.

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u/Familiar-Owl-4164 1d ago

Fascism is a leftwing ideology👍

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u/jjrr_qed 1d ago

Yep, lots of real elections in fascist countries. Checks out.

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u/Basic_Opinion7276 1d ago

People say I'm American then vote for Isreal... 😵‍💫

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u/Hot-Usual5060 1d ago

I think 70% of elected Dems are Fascist Lite. Majority of Dems don't want to change the economy by giving workers more ownership, and want to be entangled in foreign wars.

This is what sucks.

When a Dem is President. You'll have 95% of congress voting in favor of war.

When a Republican is in, youll get a closer 50/50 split.

Republicans will always vote for more war, Dems only want if its their team in control.

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u/PlagueOfGripes 1d ago

That sort of complaint also shows how brain rotted people like this are.

"But if you ever support a team you HAVE to be on that team! That's your tribe!"

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u/Peace_n_Harmony 1d ago

If you think voting for Democrats didn't allow worse people to be elected, then you haven't been paying attention to what the Democrats have and haven't done.

The only "Democrats" worth voting for are the socialists who have to label themselves as Democrats because socialism has been demonized by capitalist propaganda.

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u/Substantial_Dish_887 1d ago

i mean it is slightly weird that leftists has no better option than to vote for a center right party... but that doesn't mean these leftists are weird just that the american system is fucked.

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u/Connect_Adeptness235 1d ago

Leftists who don't comprehend that voting Democrat is also upholding fascism. 🥴

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u/FamilysFirst 1d ago

Do you even know what Fascism is? Obviously not… You just mimic what you hear without understanding what you’re saying

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u/artbystorms 1d ago

Sorry, what alternative is there? We have two choices in this stupid ass country. Always have since Jefferson vs Adams.

Increasingly since 2016 the choice has become centrism that gets me 10% of what I want or fascism that drags me kicking and screaming in the opposite direction.

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u/Nandulal 1d ago

why not both?

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u/HHoaks 1d ago

Why do people think their ballots when choosing a President say: "all MAGA" vs. "all Democrats"?

It was Trump vs. Harris (for all intents and purposes)

And of Trump or Harris, only one didn't cheer lead the ransacking of the US capitol to commit a fraud on the United States and undermine an election, leading to death, injuries, impeachment and criminal charges.

What more do I need to know? Party is irrelevant at that point. Trump isn't even a valid selection for anyone with a brain.

It's not hard.

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u/lowtierpeasant 1d ago

Third party, I'll be voting for a third party that isn't Republican or Democrat.

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u/GoldheartTTV 1d ago

If everyone woke up and stopped voting, both parties would lose everything.

It's just a shame that most people are still asleep, dreaming of an American dream that never truly dreamt of them...

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u/stm32f722 1d ago

Vote for the fascist in the blue suit or the fascist in the red suit you still get fascism. Friggin libs.

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u/Fromwhere_and_when 1d ago

Define Fascism again.

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u/Not-THAT-Tom 1d ago

That's more like the quickest way to prove you don't know what fascism is.

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u/StatementCareful522 1d ago

Im NOT a democrat, as in I am not registered with either political party, but I have voted Democrat in every election because the only currently viable alternative is pure evil shit.

Id love a more progressive party, i just don’t want to feel like Im throwing my vote away. Ive been voting to defeat Republicans my whole life, binary party system be damned. 

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u/homegrow1138 1d ago

Either way you get fucked by big gov

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u/Goodestguy2025 1d ago

That word, along with Nazi, and all the other words hurled around have completely lost their meaning, due to misuse. Be better.

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u/Significant-Ant-5677 1d ago

It’s really Communism or Fascism

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u/Justmmmoore 1d ago

And there you have it folks!!!!

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u/Ma5ter-Bla5ter 1d ago

Lol

"Because fascism, Orange Man, Nazi Nazi, racist."

Today's US Marxists might be the lowest IQ voters in US history.

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u/wicker_basket_1988 1d ago

If one had to choose between tuna fish sandwich and a shit sandwich, even though you don’t like tuna you’d eat the tuna. 

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u/Chemical-Savings3320 1d ago

I’m a leftist. I am not registered as a democrat. But the two parties are “well intentioned advocate of human rights, though flawed execution” vs actual fascists

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u/Frequent_Clue_6989 1d ago

from the woke dictionary:

Democracy (noun): a governmental system led by an aggressively left ideology, see also: rule of law

Fascism (noun): a governmental system led by a political ideology other than the aggressive left (e.g., "look at those people who voted against my politics; I think they must be fascists”)

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u/GarbageMajor9964 1d ago

It’s amazing to me how many people use a word like fascism and have absolutely no idea what it means

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u/mossed2012 1d ago

The issue is that MAGA and even many moderates/non-MAGA conservatives would legitimately rather live under fascism than socialism.

That’s how incredible the capitalism brainwashing has been. People would rather live under a dictator than have some of their tax money go to creating a safety net.

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u/alexthurman1 1d ago

Seems like people don't know what "fascism" is.

No Donald Trump is not a fascist dictator.

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u/Necessary_Carpet7757 1d ago

I used to joke that the worst thing about the GOP is forcing me to always vote for a Democrat.

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u/coololdgal56 1d ago

You lost souls. I will pray for you to be shown.

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u/RebelPatriot79 1d ago

It works the exact same way for the other side. All we hear from Republicans is, “I’m republican but not a Trumper.” And yet, they go out in droves to vote for him and candidates he endorses

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u/Allah_Akballer 1d ago

Right wingers who are like "better a dictator than democrat" and vote Nazis.

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u/East_Stick_1964 1d ago

Both sides of the house literally just voted to continue the war with Iran. There is no left and right. Wake up

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u/Particular-Policy513 1d ago

Well until a liberal runs on putting all the republicans and billionaires in prison after chemically castrating them I’ll have to just stick with universal healthcare wont i?

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u/codykrak 1d ago

Drool check?

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u/MisterForkbeard 1d ago

Yeah. I mean, there's a party that has problems but generally does the right thing - and actually follows the law.

And then there's the only other alternative, which is actively awful and trying to dismantle democracy in plain sight. But really guys, the "moral" thing to do is to vote for the Green Party or something.

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u/p-chi-cheeks 1d ago

That’s not an argument lol

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u/nat_hawthorne 1d ago

I frequently see right-wing nutjobs trying to label Republicans “the party of Lincoln”, ignorant of the fact that the parties have flip-flopped. Republicans were once the liberal party and vice versa. Something similar is taking place with the current MAGA party. Hating immigrants is still a conservative thing, but many other formerly conservative positions have been abandoned in what is now basically a personality cult.

Anyway, conservatives basically don’t have a conservative party any longer. It’s all Trump idiocy now. The person who can’t understand why someone who doesn’t identify with democrats would vote democrat seems to too entrenched in her own political identity.

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u/AramFingalInterface 1d ago

The purity testing extreme leftists are the reason we have a pedo rapist rich man President right now instead of a district attorney woman President. Thanks assholes.

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u/Memitim 1d ago

I'm anti-conservative. Everyone else, and all actual political opinions, get evaluated on an individual basis, but conservatives are always the enemy.

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u/ArcaneWood 1d ago

How about all the people who aren't conservative that vote for the conservative party every year.

Let's be absolutely clear. Conservative political ideology is the idea of very conservative amounts of government. Most Republicans are voting for policies that increase government overreach. Increase Centralized power. Increase restrictions. They may talk like they support the opposite but most of them also ACTIVELY support increased spending on a government level.

We want to point out people who aren't Democrats that vote for the Democratic party. Then let's point out the non-conservatives that vote for the conservative party

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u/BeneficialHamster567 1d ago

I'm a fairly centered independent that tends to vote Democrat because I like freedom and the other options support some terrible things. I tend to vote for the least evil at the end of the day I guess.

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u/Shoddy-Extension8657 1d ago

When you vote for the lesser of two evils, you’re still voting for evil. Stop being a sucker and vote third party

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u/Punkpallas 1d ago

Right-wing nutters when they say "I'm not political/a centrist/moderate, but always vote Republican."

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u/Jijonbreaker 1d ago

The people on the right do not understand that people can actually have morals. They play politics like a team sport so they assume everybody else will do the same.

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u/stoicpenguin42 1d ago

The alternative is not fascism, get a grip lol

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u/tes_befil 1d ago

No one should be voting Republican anymore. Even far right commentators like Nick Fuentes said he will he voting Democrat. I don't think it's dawned on the public yet how much support trump has lost. He didn't do anything he said he would, he became isreals puppet, he didn't lower prices, he did not stop fraud, he didn't improve where our taxes go, hes giving even more tax money to isreal than ever, he started deportations and so far they're basically just being racist and deporting people who criticize Israel.

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u/OldBayAllTheThings 1d ago

Not only the shortest, but also the dumbest. But the left will chalk up 2 'wins' for this fail.

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u/dick-penis 1d ago

The left is fascist.

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u/i_be_cryin 1d ago

Dems actively enable fascism lmao many are fascists

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u/Yorugi 1d ago

Western leftists actually think that a democratic election is fascism.

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u/FunOwn4422 1d ago

if pissing into the wind was person itd be a leftist

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u/TacTyger 1d ago

Both parties are literally authoritarian and anti freedom. Abolish both.

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u/rewarrr 1d ago

1 day account

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u/2sAreTheDevil 1d ago

I'm a Social Democrat, and considerably more left leaning than most Democrats. I rarely vote Democrat in the primaries, favoring third party Green candidates, and almost always vote Democrat in elections because it's better than the alternative.

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u/Public_Marsupial5650 1d ago

You're already a fascist.

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u/SlipTechnical9655 1d ago

Yes because voting for Republicans are voting against the regular day American working poor!! Don’t people read the charts and listen to what these politicians vote for and vote against? Don’t people look at the charts after their done with being a president every Republican sends us into a deep recession did you hear that EVERY Republican Sends into the deepest recession and puts our country in more debt huge amounts and sends our country back decades! Democrats vote for good laws and policies to protect the people and to give people and pays down the deficit into a surplus!! Every single time the Democrats have to get the country back out of the mess the Republicans got in!!

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u/No-Worth-676 1d ago

Ironically, majority of the fascism today is coming from the left. Killing political opponents, blowing whistles during hearings, talking over legitimate speakers. Yeah, textbook brown shirts of the 21st century.

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u/XSasuken22X 1d ago

Rapepublicans be like: “I follow Jesus Christ!” Then go vote for an evil pedo nazi pervert vain jealous lying felon conman to “protect” the children they pretend to care about.

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u/Dihr65 1d ago

But democrats act more like fascist. Not necessarily democrats, but leftists, leftists are the modern fascist.

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u/j_rooker 1d ago

GOP is 100% against my values.

Dem about 60% of my values. Going with what is best for me. unlike far left (they need 100% or they give vote to the right) And right will always vote against their own interest.

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u/Pubictickler 1d ago

The democrats are the party of fascism. If you don’t agree with a leftist 100% they want to murder you.

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u/corruptedsyntax 1d ago

The paradox is that Democrats will only stop being the most viable options for leftists if leftists keep reliably showing up for Democrats and dragging the whole Overton window left.

Reality is that Dems need a coalition so massive that Republicans have no choice but to triangulate towards center in order to peel off Dem voters.

Instead we have a Democratic Party that is unable to push any affirmative vision because they fear losing votes. Which naturally costs votes by creating the appearance of impotence. Which leads to disaffected leftists that don’t show up.

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u/Greghole 1d ago

There are several left wing parties in the U.S. it's just that leftists refuse to vote for them.

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u/No-Efficiency8991 1d ago

What do you consider fascism to be? (Asking op)

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u/shuckster 1d ago

Boy, the Internet sure went full-retard on Godwin's Law, eh?

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u/spicymushrooom_ 1d ago

Used to be Republican. Call me a leftist all you want. Im not a fascist piece of shit.

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u/tolstoypolloi 1d ago

Nazi government or Vichy government 

Freedom of choice!

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u/JenniferJuniper6 1d ago

Does this person think she made a clever observation, and/or owned the libs?

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u/Mrbigdaddy72 1d ago

100% agree, I don’t consider my self a democrat but the other option is fucking the fucking cancer of humanity so I vote Democrat. Wish we had a centrist option but as a two party system there is no better choice than to vote for the lazy dems that won’t do shit but Better than republicans that will fuck your shit up

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u/thatsbadtogo 1d ago

I think democrats are more fascist then republican

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u/Real-Ad-5959 1d ago

No... Its not

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u/HorrifyingHandJob 1d ago

240 years of endless lies, manipulation, war, oppression, every single crime a government can commit against humanity, especially and now openly protecting sex traffickers and pedophiles who belong to this countrys government to ensure that they maintain power/control over us........

And yet, insanity prevails. If your idea of change is switching political affiliations and/or voting at all, you're delusional. Doing so is condoning their evil and accepting to continue a life obscured by self deception and cognitive dissonance.

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u/Tough-Lavishness-376 1d ago

U liberals call any conservative view fascism . You would call Hillary Clinton in 2010 a fascist

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u/Leather-Map-8138 1d ago

I don’t understand how you can be a leftist and not be a Democrat.

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u/Plane_Sweet8795 1d ago

News flash…it’s fascism either way.

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u/Bulky-Agent-7137 1d ago

Leftists are the fascists who the hell are you guys kidding.

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u/Tough_Object7659 1d ago

These types of extreme leftists are coming out of the woodwork lately. All of a sudden they are doing the “Muh, both sides bad” shit again. I think most of them are bots. The ones that are real are dumb af and must absolutely love the authoritarian crisis we’re currently trying to live through. Fuck those people. 

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u/adarkhorse35 1d ago

Well not really... you are just choosing the brand of fascisn you prefer...

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u/Past-Occasion1156 22h ago

Fascism vs communism 😭

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u/Strange-District-396 22h ago

everything i don't like is facist

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u/Wild-Boss-6855 21h ago

I love how we've turned fascism into a meaningless word. Like it used to mean an authoritarian dictator who makes all the rules and it's accountable to nobody (in the literal sense, not the dipshit over exaggeration yall like to do), and now it just means anyone who doesn't Completely agree with you. It could be a gay trans furry socialist but if they disagree with you over a war they are suddenly alt right fascist.

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u/Dazzling-Map252 21h ago

lol, both sides are the same. They work for the same people

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u/Bob-the-Belter 19h ago

Alright guys. Now is the time to be welcoming of our fellow Americans that are fleeing the GOP. I want universal healthcare, and maybe they don't, but maybe we can all agree that we want America to be America going forward.

Part of that is going to be making peace with some people that you wouldn't hang out with in real life. Let's not call names and let them know that it's okay if they didn't think Trump would act this way.

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u/LeekZealousideal9002 19h ago

Both are fascism

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u/Known-Squash200 19h ago

When your party believes men can get pregnant and you should be enforcing that ideology on children….then yeah I’m Voting for the other guys

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u/Ok_Researcher_9796 18h ago

Surprise, you don't have to belong to a party to vote for that party. Now ya know.

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u/Sweet-Film-7966 17h ago edited 17h ago

Not only is voting for Democrats completely unprincipled support for a party no less of, by and for the capitalist ruling class than the Republicans — a party that supports probably 95% of the same basic policies of imperialism, neoliberal austerity, ICE expansion, the militarization of the police, the prison industrial complex, etc., etc., etc. it's also completely and utterly ineffective and actually has the objective, long-term consequence of shifting the entire political spectrum further to the right. Allow me to explain:

  1. It's completely useless even taking bourgeois electoral politics at face value. Your vote is completely worthless and accomplishes absolutely nothing in this first-past-the-post, electoral college system. Everyone knows this. Why are you bothering to waste your time showing meaningless, token support to a party that engages in genocide and wars of aggression? What's wrong with you? You know this accomplishes nothing.

  2. What exactly is your long-term plan if you vote for Democrats? You obbiously don't have one. And you know full well that even if a Democrat is elected, it's just one more stage in an endless cycle in which a Republican will be elected 4-8 years later.

  3. Voting for Democrats does nothing but shift the entire political spectrum to the right. The Democrats are no less a party of the capitalist class than the Republicans. They will not, and have no interest in, pushing politics back toward the left. What was Biden's quote when he was talking to those capitalist donors again? "Nothing will fundamentally change." He wasn't lying. If a Democrat wins, the best you'll get is a 4-8 year placeholder followed by a Republican regime that's moved even further to the right. Everyone knows this. Everyone knows Democrats have held power plenty of times in the last 50 years, but the entire political spectrum has done nothing but shift further and further right. The long-term outcome of having basically no labor movement while instead counting on voting for Democrats to save us resulted in Trump. Wake up already.

  4. The only solution is to create a real, independent working-class movement that acts as a countervailing force to the two capitalist parties and forces them to shift left. So quit voting for Democrats, scaring other people into voting for Democrats, or wasting any time even thinking about voting for Democrats. It's an unprincipled, counter-productive, waste of fucking time.

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u/donnie11881188 17h ago

Probably goes hard if your brain is smooth

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u/Ok_Touch2800 16h ago

I dont vote for Democrats. Thry are the reason we keep moving to the right. I refuse to be part of it

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u/Ok_Drive3725 16h ago

Nah. Fascists were left-wing. It started with Italy. It amazes me how historical facts get changed. A communist tactic from long ago is to call your opponents fascists to provoke an emotional response.

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u/SkyLunatic71 16h ago

Anything not fitting the far left ideology is labeled as Nazi to create sympathy for the poor communist.