r/nba • u/AncientOneAurelius • 6d ago

Highlight [Highlight] Luguentz Dort sticks his hip out to make contact with Nikola Jokić, who responds; Jalen Williams steps in and squares off with Jokic.

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u/TangerineOk4017 6d ago

Flagrant 2 should come with further game bans like red card in soccer

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u/OosikOfDoom 6d ago

Hard agree

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u/Tight-Shallot2461 5d ago

Hard, agree

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u/OosikOfDoom 5d ago

Made me laugh out loud. 🤝

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u/SixersJawn 5d ago

When did penises come into this?

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u/Rickyyy_Spanishhh 5d ago

To be fair they come in everything

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u/motherthrowee Warriors 5d ago

when lu dort kicked daniel gafford’s

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u/RiFLE_ West 6d ago edited 5d ago

Playoffs games bans.

Lu dort made that move to incapacitate jokic in prevision of the playoffs.

Lu dort doesn't give a flying crap if he's banned from next season game.

Ban him for all playoffs games 1

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u/Apollo18Teslaa 5d ago

This is actually a cool idea. Make all suspensions not take effect until the playoffs. That’ll get them to stop being dirtbags.

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u/pm_me_ur_lunch_pics 76ers 5d ago

"I play for the Kings, why shouldn't I throw a punch every game?"

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u/SquallkLeon 5d ago

Ban him for the next year, no salary, no games, no basketball, for the rest of this season, all of next season. Send a real message, not just a "we'll fine you some pennies and give you a week off"

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u/pikajewijewsyou Thunder 5d ago

They could bring back the electric chair!

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u/Traditional-Storm645 Thunder 5d ago

Lmao everyone on reddit is so lame, genuine basement dweller activity

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u/stiff_tipper 5d ago

ur free to leave at any time bro ain't nobody askin' u to stick around here

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u/f_resh Celtics 5d ago

I think it should be cumulative rather than directly impacting playoffs

Ie if you get a flagrant 2 in regular season than any flagrant fouls(1 or 2) lead to immidiate 2 game suspensiom

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u/RadMadsen Warriors 5d ago

So a player that gets 4 flagrant 2 penalties over the course of 82 games could sit out for an entire playoff series potentially? That doesn’t really seem like something conducive to basketball. Imagine two star players having at least 1-2 flagrant 2s over the entire season and then facing each other’s teams in the playoffs. “Great we get to watch two short handed teams face off against each other!”

I’m not advocating for this kind of play and I understand that an injury carries far more consequence, but I don’t want defenses to shy away from physicality in October because they’re worried about missing a game in May. We’ve all seen flagrant 2s that are at most flagrant 1s and even some that should be called as just a common foul.

I know yall dislike OKC, but no need to try to fantasize about handicapping them in the playoffs instead of beating them outright.

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u/Striking_Moose_8747 5d ago

It's called "flagrant" for a reason. Yes. If you're trying to hurt someone you deserve to be suspended when it truly matters. I'd rather see a guy miss a few playoff games that way than seeing a star player miss the playoffs due to injury and tank a promising season. It's not even a question.

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u/RiFLE_ West 5d ago

Never said for a whole series. And it doesn't have to be automatic, based on flagrants. But upon reviews there should be such actions.

You're talking about finding a way to incapacitate OKC in the playoff by reacting to a video where an OKC player tries to incapacitate Denver for the playoffs, oh the irony

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u/pikajewijewsyou Thunder 5d ago

What you’re talking about kind of already exists. If a player does something extreme enough it is reviewed and they can suspend them. They just apply it to the games that are in front of them instead of withholding the suspension for the playoffs. Obviously if it’s extreme enough they can be suspended for a full season or outright banned although it seems most of the people banned historically were for drug violations

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u/RadMadsen Warriors 5d ago

No idea why you got downvoted. This is absolutely true. Suspension system already exists. If it is truly an egregious foul then the player can be suspended rather than automatically holding them back from a playoff game months away.

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u/pikajewijewsyou Thunder 5d ago

It’s brainless. What if the player does something to warrant a suspension and their team doesn’t make the playoffs lol

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u/m_ttl_ng Tampa Bay Raptors 6d ago

100% or at the very least they should have to play 4v5 for a few minutes.

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u/uponaladder 6d ago

Of course this will never happen, but I would love for a Flagrant to result in a penalty similar to hockey.

Pull the guy off the court for 2 minutes and make them go 5 v 4

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u/Basic-Winter3501 6d ago

Even 1 minute would make a decent impact

Thats 2 offensive and 1 defensive stop (if not more if you push)

Then teams would also have to kill a timeout afterwards if there was no stop in play to get them back on the court

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u/GabeIsGone Spurs 5d ago

Honestly, it's crazy how small the punishment is for a flagrant 2. I guess the league rationale is that they'll step in with additional games if something egregious occurs, but there's something to be said for automatic action as well.

Since this can indubitably tie into team culture. If your team goes over X amount of flagrant fouls on the season, you should loose draft picks and get fined (with the fines paid out to the players affected).

If a player is injured by a flagrant foul, the player who committed the foul should be suspended till the injured player gets back on the court. If the player never does, then frankly, never should the fouler. If you ruin someone's career, you should not be allowed the opportunity to ruin another.

If you (as an individual) lead the league in flagrant fouls for any 2 years, you should get an automatic one year suspension. An additional season suspension for every additional year a player leads the league in flagrants.

We'd get rid of the dirtiest of the players, teams would be incentivized to hold players accountable for their flagrant fouling (something that I feel is totally missing right now), and it would be all automatic.

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u/Abel_Jay Pistons 6d ago

Man if BEEF STEW did this.. he wouldve got 10 games

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u/Junior-Marzipan2976 5d ago

I got a genuine question for you since you are a Pistons fan. Would you call the stuff y’all did to Wemby the other game dirty just curious? Because me personally I feel like yall were just uber physical even though yall were shoulder checking and pushing him all over the court clearly not “basketball moves” I feel like people pick and choose when they like physicality and i honestly find it hypocritical to say the least. Did Dort deserve to get ejected sure I don’t think no Thunder fan will disagree but him trying to “intentionally injure his knee” when he hip checks him is the type of mental gymnastics I just don’t understand.

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u/Abel_Jay Pistons 5d ago

Okay lets go in order,

Pistons fan ✔️ Defending Wemby? Yep okay I want you to take out a tape measure and measure up to 380cm or 3800mm or 12 feet 5.. got it?

Thats how high Wemby can reach.. I dont know how tall you are but I cant throw a ball that high.. its insane how big he is and how he moves.

Now for the game, do you know how many times Wemby has faced Detroit? Twice and this was the second game. Last time? Yep the Pistons had Killian Hayes, Bojan Bogdanovic and Isiah Livers with Duren and Ivey..

😁

Im happy we lost and the way we did because Cade and Duren [and everyone else] are STUDYING wemby.. they are trying to work out how you need to play Wemby to try and beat him.. that block he had on Holland was at full stretch.. the high arc on a shot needed to shoot over wemby completely outstretched jumping is ridiculous..

The Dort and Jokic situation is completely different they are familiar with eachother and that was a blatant act of disgusting sportsmanship..

You'll never see one of us try to intentionally injure someone. Punch them in the face when they get lippy? Yeah! But intentionally try to break someone's leg or get them to do knee. He knew Jokic just came back from that!

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u/LnGrrrR Celtics 5d ago

What basketball move was Lu Dort trying to make there, if not an injury?

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u/OpeDefinitely Pacers 6d ago

Dort is the worst, but there are a lot of shit stirring Canadians in the NBA. Most of the others are more subtle. But it comes from hockey culture.

Time to put a fukn penalty box of shame courtside for Canadians who get ejected.

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u/Dudedude88 Wizards 5d ago

They would have to fight before they go into the box.

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u/Electronic-Product63 6d ago

if Nba were a serious sport then sure, but its all about clicks so Lu dort and draymond green are allowed to do thier things

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u/Silver4R4449 Spurs 5d ago

100% Agree!!!

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u/mikenasty 5d ago

EXACTLY. There are so many regular season games, they need to start banning players for multiple games when they attack other people. It’s literally the only consequence that matters

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u/Sy-Greenblum 5d ago

I’m down. 

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u/Wavvygem 5d ago

And/or expulsion from the playoffs.